ABC News Tonight - Michael Moore Movie Propaganda????

[otohara]

Is the flood of movies with political agendas a matter of entertainment or propaganda? (from ABC News website)http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/index.html


I don't know if anyone has seen the new promo running for tonights broadcast, but it's really slanted to indicate that Moore's movie is pure propaganda, ending with the line "Is the flood of movies with political agendas a matter of entertainment or propgananda?"

It's funny coming from one of the many networks more than willing to go along with the plethora of lies told by Jr. & Cheney for 3 1/2 years.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Keep in mind ABC is Disney-owned. Eisner wants 9/11 to sink like a stone.

[otohara]

2. Berry Interesting Take

didn't think of it...

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Yep. Gotta play the old "so who owns these guys" with everything nowadays

[swag]

3. They are also the house of John Stossel -

"libertarian" liar-in-chief.

[Fescue4u]

5. To be fair.. IT IS propaganda

Moores movie is essentially a 2 hour campaign ad, albeit a negative one.

While the word "propaganda" has a negative connotation to it, prop. can also be positive, i.e. true.

Just because its a 2 hour campaign ad, doesn't mean its not worthwhile though.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

10. You're right. But I doubt that's the way THEY mean it. eom

[Fescue4u]

15. yup.

I agree.

[SmokingJacket]

17. Yeah, except Kerry's not paying for it.

Thus it's not an ad. True, Moore is working to bring down the administration, so it's technically "propaganda" -- but since it's an independent person's agenda it's not at all the same (IMO) as government sponsored propaganda.

[Rebellious Republican]

6. Flood of movies, what flood? How about flood of movies goers

to Moores film. That is what they are afraid of, but thats OK, keep up the anti-propaganda. People are curious by nature and are drawn to Taboo things. It only helps to get people to go! Win win for our side, dontcha think?

:think:

[redqueen]

8. Day After Tomorrow, Farenheit 9/11, Hunting of the President

Apparently three is a flood, to tiny-brained enablers of the corrupt GOP.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

13. Also The Corporation and Control room.

Although it's doubtful that many people even know about these.

[rkc3]

Just like...

the liberal media - whoever they are.

[merh]

24. Remake of Manchurian Candidate soon to be released.

Denzel Washington & Glen Close are in the remake, I saw an ad for it the other day.

[Skidmore]

7. I caught about 2 minutes of Scarborough

early this morning and he was trying to sell that one too.

[hlthe2b]

9. Also Jennings was shown to have been played the fool when

he attacked Moore's "deserter" comment re: Bush and (unintentionally, I'm sure) unleashed a two week media event that culminated with more questions than answers re: Bush's "fulmillment" of obligations to his National Guard Service. Jenning's having dismissed Moore's comments totally out of hand-- which later were shown to be based on considerable facts-- showed Jennings to be a total putz.... Now, I don't think PJ is that much a Bush fan, despite doing his bit to portray Gore in the worse light possible-- but he certainly detests MM.


Thus, I'm sure Jennings has been frothing to go after MM. This is his opportunity...

[chiburb]

14. On the other hand...

Perhaps Jennings knew he would be vilified for raising the question stright-up. Maybe he did it the way he did to create EXACTLY the reaction you described above. I don't think he's stupid, and attacking Moore served Moore's (and ours) purposes while giving himself plausible deniability...
Or maybe you're right.

[hlthe2b]

21. Possible... I've never been totally certain whether his

going after Moore's "deserter" comment was NOT intentional, since Jennings has been pretty consistent in throwing out a Bush-critical comment or insinuation after major stories... I do not think that Jennings could possibly have any respect for the Bushistas so your theory is possible. Or, he may personally dislike Moore (as do quite a few DUers apparently) but also be opposed to the current cabal in power. With the additional constraints and agenda eminating from his "corporate masters," Jennings no longer has a conflict...

Having not seen the story, though, I'll be interested to see. Will one of you "right coasters" please let us know the details?

[Cocoa]

23. why didn't he just do a story himself?

Jennings has a nightly news program, why couldn't he just simply do an AWOL story? Dating back to the 2000 election, ABC did ZERO stories on Bush's national guard record.

No, you're giving him too much credit. Jennings assumed Clark would be cowed into disowning Moore.

[hlthe2b]

27. I wish he had....

But, to answer why he might not, I have to acknowledge the relative freedom (and guts) CBS' Dan Rather and 60 minutes have had to go after these stories in distinct contrast to ABC and NBC. One important difference may well be the corporate management structure. While all are owned by corporate whores, NBC and ABC news are under the managment of their entertainment division, while CBS News remains under a separate and distinct NEWS division. Hewitt and others at CBS have commented on this in the past...

[Cocoa]

16. compared to Peter Jennings, Moore is a journalist

for example, Jennings is one of the many, many "journalists" who NEVER informed anyone what Bush did on 9/11.

For a lot of people, the fact that he sat and continued reading will be completely new information.

[hlthe2b]

25. Actually I DO remember Jennings making a pointed comment

re: Bush's delay in coming back to Washington... Anyone remember this? It had the Freepers in quite a tizzy, since the implication was pretty clear. I wish I had the exact quote or could remember enough detail to paraphrase. Anyone?

[Cocoa]

28. I remember several anchors saying such

saying, "where is the president?"

And after that statement he made, which was released on video, several anchors said that it wasn't enough.

But after the fact, when relating the events of that day, they should have played that video of him sitting in the classroom. Because that's what HAPPENED, that's where Bush WAS. Whether it makes him look foolish or not, they are required to play that video, and they've failed to do it.

[hlthe2b]

29. I'm pretty convinced that the major media news outlets

are so lazy nowadays that they wait for the newspapers (or the wire services)to investigate before they step into it.... Clearly, all of us and many on the internet were aware of that video and have been for more than 2 years. While more and more news stories are breaking on internet that it is becoming increasingly difficult for the major media to discount all of it as conspiracy theory, that has certainly been their take up to now. But, face it, even our progressive activists are not always up to date. It is my understanding that Al Franken knew nothing about the existence of that tape until hearing/seeing it from Moore's movie...

Not a defense of Jennings as I think my original post is probably closer to the truth, but I am perplexed by his actions and trying to understand them. Given that Jennings was a a reasonably well respected and educated Canadian journalist, I can't help but wonder if his story is more complex than simply sell-out to media whoredom.... Well, we'll see, I guess..

[HootieMcBoob]

11. isn't it neat the way they decide to ask that question now?

And only about movies that make Republicans look bad. I haven't heard them ask "what about all of these conservatives with televsion shows on the cable news networks?" "what about all of these am talk radio programs?" I love it the way that it becomes a concern to them the minute Liberals begin to fight back. Disney airs Limbaugh and Hannity and all of those bastards on WABC every freakin' day in New York! Is that propaganda? Give me a fucking break! They can kiss my lilly white ass!

[supernova]

12. Flood? What flood?

There's only F911 that I can recall.

I hardly think F911 counts as a "flood."

[TexasSissy]

18. Entertainment or propaganda? It's neither.

It's a documentary, isn't it? With artsy flair for entertainment.

I'm not sure of the definition for propaganda.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

19. from the network who promoted john stossel's mustache to co-anchor on20/20

funny they had no problem giving mel gibson and his dad's rightwing religious nut flick an hour of free ad time on primetime live back in the spring

[genius]

20. Get everyone you know to call and complain. Spread the word.

[Sandpiper]

22. Mickey Mouse News badmouths Moore's film

What a surprise. I wonder when they got the memo from Eisner.

[Cocoa]

26. did they take it off?

I don't see anything at that site about movies. :shrug: