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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:21 PM
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For analysis of 9/11 commission today's report LISTEN TO RANDI NOW
she is doing the best analysis I have heard so far.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:25 PM
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1. Now she is talking about Paula Jones and Clinton that she
could not have been in the hotel with Clinton because on that date he was at the governor's mansion.
And she and her family knew on 9/11 that we were under attack. But the government couldn't. We are a banana republic full of incompetents according to the 9/11 report.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:27 PM
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2. People, not only a good analysis but FUNNY!!!! n/t
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:35 PM
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3. I love her bumper music.
Rage Against The Machine

:headbang:

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:35 PM
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4. Nobody listening to Randi??? Well, I quit calling attention to this.
Your loss.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:36 PM
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5. I'm listening
I always have her on.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:37 PM
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6. This is one of those things you want to share. She is so good
when discussing issues and details. Thanks for being there with me. I am sharing Randi with another DUer! Woooohooooo
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:38 PM
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8. I'm listening - She's playing the tapes
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:39 PM
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9. I'm listening too!
Thanks for the heads up!! Randi rocks!!
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graham67 Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:37 PM
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7. I'm listening....
What's this about scrambling an unarmed cargo plane? I missed part of it!
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:44 PM
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15. That fuckin' blew me away.
An unarmed CARGO plane? WHY?
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graham67 Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:11 PM
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39. What was it supposed to do....
ram it in midair? Ask them nicely to please land the plane? :shrug:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:42 PM
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10. People in Randi's studio are laughing so hard about not being able to
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 02:46 PM by LittleApple81
get through to the President!!!!!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:45 PM
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20. I'm flabbergasted by that revelation
They couldn't get through to the President on his cell phone to get permission to shoot down the planes?

Um, didn't he have that Marine-equipped nuclear football with him? How would they get ahold of him if he needed to use it? Is the President EVER really out of contact?

This part of the story is absolutely not credible. There's no way the President would have been out of contact for any length of time. No f'cking way.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:06 PM
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32. yeah because no one else near him had a cell phone either
and apparently there was no school phone.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:42 PM
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11. I missed the beginning of the hearings today, so I'm
hearing the tapes for the first time. And I just heard the guy on the tape clearly say that the shoot-down order CAME FROM CHENEY. NOT BUSH. So Scott lied this afternoon at his little press briefing, because he told Terry (I don't know his last name, good-looking reporter from NBC, I think). Scott told Terry that Bush okayed the shoot-down. Think any of the press will pick that up?
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:42 PM
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12. She calls it "clusterphoning" ... I think what she means is clusterfuck.nt
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:43 PM
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13. Great show today
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:43 PM
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14. So Bush's cell phone wasn't working????
Do you see how this fits right into their usual pattern? A crucial piece of information doesn't quite make its way up the chain of command to the Commander in Chief. Everything seems to stop JUST BEFORE it reaches Bush's eyes or ears.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:45 PM
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17. OMFG. Good catch.
You're right.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:45 PM
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19. But there was something else that the people, in the armed forces
section of the testimony this morning, said that they had never tried to get the president on AirForce1????? I am dizzy.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:45 PM
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16. Listening. Always. She captures the enormity.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:45 PM
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18. Okay, here's the $64,000 question
:tinfoil:

How many here actually believe that the cell phone did not work? Please, I'd like to know.

The leader of the free world's CELL PHONE DIDN'T WORK? There was nobody else present that day that had a cell phone? The NSA chief, traveling with him, didn't have a goddamn cell phone?

No, I don't believe it. Somehow, though, I think that the explanations and spin will get even more convoluted in the next week.

Randi, you are the goddess of radio.

Julie
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:49 PM
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21. There is no way that is true!
So they had the President, the head of the NSA, and the Marine with the nuclear football in the President's own limousine, and they were somehow out of touch? Bull, no way. Not since the Cuban missle crisis. Not even for a second.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:52 PM
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22. It's bullshit
No fucking way that the President couldn't be reached - sorry, I'm not buying. I can assure you he has the best telecommunications available. No way he uses a regular cell phone for this type stuff anyway. Sure he has a direct line to NORAD available at all times.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:56 PM
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25. No way, absolutely NO FUCKIN' WAY!
Doesn't he travel with a huge entourage? Not one of those people had a phone that worked? A lie, and not even a marginally good one.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:08 PM
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36. Listen, in Clarke's book
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 03:18 PM by LizW
the first chapter tells the story of what was going on inthe WH on the morning of 9/11. When they all got together in the emergency operation center, one of the first questions was, "Where is the President, and who's with him." The answer was, "He's in Florida, Deb's with him, and we've got an open line to her cell phone." (Deb is the Director of the White House Situation Room. She's military, and why she was traveling with the President that day, I don't know.)

Anyway, this was before the second plane hit, and before Bush went into the elementary school.

Correction: This was after the second plane hit. I just went back and checked the book.

So, they had an open line to Deb, but they couldn't get through to the President, and Cheney had to make the decision to shoot down planes? Right.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:13 PM
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41. So this is just a cover-up.
Because that proves this is an obvious lie. And another thing, what was so goddamn important that Myers couldn't stay for the entire hearing?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:11 PM
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38. no shit... ONE OF THE STUDENTS PROBABLY HAD A CELL PHONE
and then there is also the teacher...or the office phone, or a pay phone in the hall.

This is total bullshit. They are covering for the fact that the president sat on his ass reading and Cheney illegally gave orders....BUT WAITED UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:53 PM
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51. The beauty of pathetic simplicity. remember when he was Churchill?
Now he is Goofy.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:55 PM
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23. Excellent--eveyone should listen
in

She is so smart
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:55 PM
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24. Isn't it chilling to hear what we assume is Atta? And then
they cannot convince anybody that the plane is hijacked??? Conference calls???
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:00 PM
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28. there is so much we are not bein told
given the paranoid obssession with secrecy because they are not governing above board like honest people, we can assume they are holding back information and lying their heads off.

It is a comedy this Bush, Cheney team, according to how Randi is giving us the information.

It is sad and pathetic.

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:01 PM
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29. That is why the family members at the hearing started yelling and
leaving the room!
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:03 PM
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30. If this conference call...
...actually took place I'd be really interested to know the identity of ALL parties that participated in the call. That would be interesting.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:16 PM
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45. everybody but bush
I'll bet
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:55 PM
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53. This tape of the flight attendent of chilling.
Knowing that they were going crash.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:57 PM
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26. Atlantic city does not have an airport and it gets called????WTF!
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:06 PM
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33. Actually, there is an airport in Atlantic City.
I think she meant that the armed forces installation there had been de-commissioned quite a while ago. (I think it was one of the "early-warning" type bases from the Cold War days.)
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:00 PM
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27. They could not get a 757 with the radar? Without a transponder
they need to use the radar, but this was NOT a stealth plane. They can follow it (and the towers were) with radar.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:14 PM
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43. I don't know -- I saw David Copperfield make a 757 disappear!
It could happen!

:eyes:

(ps. no, it couldn't happen...)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:05 PM
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31. Sounds to me like Cheney gave orders to shoot down plane in PA???
And the story about "Let's Roll!" was for public consumption and it didn't happen the way we were led to believe?? We have witnesses here on DU that witnessed fighter jets taking off from near Dayton Ohio at that time and some heard the loud booms -sonic booms?? I'm saying it was probably shot down...
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:06 PM
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34. Don't forget the *lack* of tapes of AF1 calls between * and Cheney.
This was mentioned in the 9-11 hearing this a.m.... The fact that all calls made aboard AF1 are recorded, BUT, somehow, there is *no record* of calls by * to Cheney after the attacks. One of the commissioners said dryly that 'all we have on this is just the statements of the president and vice president.' Just incredible.

What we are witnessing is the wholesale implosion of the * Administration. Everybody just hang on.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:08 PM
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35. Sheila Jackson Lee.... she was so good. n/t
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:10 PM
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37. THE FOOTBALL: "What happens if they cannot communicate with him and he has
the atomic arms football???
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:12 PM
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40. Bingo! The destroyed controllers tapes: they DID call AirForce and there
was a stand down order. COVERUP!!!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:15 PM
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44. Yup...cover up just as all of us tinfoil hatters have always known
good call Randi
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:14 PM
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42. who has the phone number for congress and the senate
It is time for us to all call our representatives and tell them we are not buying the story.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:25 PM
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46. Nobody was hyper-alert after one plane hit the towers? NO.
That is when they decided not to communicate about the hijacked planes anymore...
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:26 PM
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47. This is must listen Radio ...Catch the repeat if you can
:hi:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:56 PM
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54. Weekend. Also archived here
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:26 PM
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48. Atta was staying a few blocks from Bush in Florida. Funny...
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:26 PM
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49. she says: Now they want us to be happy it wasn't worse... It might have
been 10 planes... so shut up and be happy!
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:38 PM
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50. Kick
:kick:
Keep this kicked.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:54 PM
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52. Playing one of the airplanes tapes - during hijack
Long conversation with stewardess.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:57 PM
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55. Are you hearing this?
This flight attendant, Betty Ong, sounds so calm, giving all the right information. How very brave.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:57 PM
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56. this is agonizing
OMG....they did nothing for minutes and minutes.... I am just stunned.
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graham67 Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 04:07 PM
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60. 23 Minutes!
Her phone call lasted 23 minutes!

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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:57 PM
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57. That is chilling
She was so calm. I would have been screaming.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 03:58 PM
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58. Betty Ong
flight attendent call :-(
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graham67 Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 04:04 PM
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59. Betty Ong's phone call lasted 23 minutes....
although we only hear 4 1/2 minutes.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/911-ong-tape.htm
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 04:10 PM
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61. 9:02 am
" uh oh looks like we have another "
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 04:11 PM
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62. Cheney said on MTP "we had open lines to FAA" - no cell phones?
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 04:21 PM
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63. Randi has gone LIHOPper!!!

OMFG!!!

:wow:

"I know that the air traffic controllers didn't screw this up."
Then she brought up the PNACer's wish for a "new Pearl Harbor."
Then she ended up with the destruction of the ATC tapes.
Her conclusion--there was a stand down order that day.



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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 04:23 PM
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64. This is what she is best at
brilliant exposition and analysis.

On a personal note keep in mind that all this is happening in the context of bush having received a PDB on 8/6/01 stating "Bin Ladin determined to attack in US"
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 04:26 PM
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65. "Ahhhhhh.....God.....I don't know"
When she plays that clip about intercepting the plane, I get half furious and half filled with disgusted laughter. "Oh, we have a few buildings hit...but we can just wait another 20 minutes or so." Just fucking pathetic.
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