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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:26 AM
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Al Gore Blasts Bush Again: Says He Changed Meaning Of America
http://algoresupport.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=ne...

"Al Gore last night charged President Bush has endangered Americas position in the world with a mistaken invasion of Iraq and by flaunting international convention.

This was done in our name. This changes for many in the world the meaning of America, the image of America, Gore told 300 Democrat powerbrokers at a fundraiser for the city party."

........more via the link above!

http://www.algoresupportcenter.com /
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:36 AM
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1. Thanks for posting, but here's a direct link to the story
instead of your link to your own website.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?ar...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:39 AM
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:56 AM
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4. Have you worn out your ctrl, c, & v keys yet? Just curious. nt
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:48 AM
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3. Gore is 100% correct, and then some
I feel like the meaning of America has changed. I get a sinking feeling whenever I see * speechifying in front of some monumnetal patriotic backdrop, saying words like freedom. It turns the stomach, because I know what has been happening in the gulags. I see the stars and stripes, and I hear the words, "But I believe in torture, and I will torture you."

I wonder how many DUers feel the same.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:57 AM
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5. I had a visceral reaction when I first saw Bush* on TV
even before I heard him speak. I KNEW he was evil. Pure, untinctured EVIL.

I still feel the same.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:59 AM
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6. Man, for a long time I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt
Figuring he was just a simpleton, and not a thoroughly wretched human being. Now I know the meaning of the smirk. Ugh.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:00 AM
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7. That fella from WW2 in Italy, Mussolini, had the same swagger/smirk
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:09 AM
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9. What happened to Musolini ?
?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 02:22 PM
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12. Killed by his own people, strung up, dragged thru the streets
etc, him and his mistress.

Poor leadership often gets dire results

Come, we go drink, eat, laugh, reduce anger level.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:37 PM
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22. Delete
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 04:23 PM by msmcghee
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:17 PM
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28. deleted
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 04:28 PM by Rumpole
Misunderstanding was corrected.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:22 PM
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29. Wow, thanks.
Sorry folks, sometimes I read words that I think are there rather than the words that are there. Abject aplogies to all.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:30 PM
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20. Delete
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 04:23 PM by msmcghee
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:26 PM
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30. Ms McGhee, you are mistaken
We are talking about Bush*, aka Smirk. We are not describing Al Gore. I used to believe * was merely a simpleton. Now I despise him. His smirk is emblematic of his cruelty. Opihimoimoi compared *'s smirk to Mussolini's.

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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:27 PM
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32. And I agree with your assessment
Sorry for misreading the first post in the string.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:34 PM
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21. Delete
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 04:24 PM by msmcghee


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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:07 AM
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8. Largely meaningless statement...
don't get me wrong, I believe he is largely correct in critizising *. However, I will say that military adventurism and flaunting international conventions have been the standard of this country since 1898 at the latest, we only had a relative break in this when Clinton was in office, little military adventurism there for strictly business interests. Bush is simply returning us to the 'good times' of using the Military as the Hit Men of Big Business.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:24 AM
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10. I won't get you 'wrong'...
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 07:24 AM by Q
...but Gore's statement is anything but meaningless.

- While you would be correct in saying that the US has always misused our military and ignored some conventions when it was to their advantage...the US has held to many of these conventions since WWII and the so-called end of the cold war.

- The Geneva Conventions and nuclear non proliferation were among the most important. Bush* has chucked these aside because they interferred with his ILLEGAL plans in a phony war on terror.

- We wouldn't be in this mess if only a couple dozen Democrats had the nerve to speak up like Gore.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:11 PM
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11. Transcript or video anywhere?
I would hope there is at least a transcript. It would be even better if there were a video. I've really enjoyed watching our President speak out lately.

Any links to either? :shrug:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 02:26 PM
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13. Why didn't he do these things four years ago?
I'm glad he finally found his spine but he would have won huge in 2000 with this attitude. Nader wouldn't be an issue.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 02:47 PM
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14. He won by over 500,000 votes
and recieved more Dmeocratic votes than anybody ever... Plus he was up against a bunch of lazy Media Hos.......... And Nader was a fucking issue....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 02:58 PM
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15. Think: Florida Democrats.
He was let down. He was warned by the DLC to quit sounding so populist, it is still at their website.

They did not back him up on the recount, including a guy named Penelas.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 02:59 PM
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16. he did
were you listening?
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:03 PM
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34. Bull
I listened and he sounded like a boring establishment tool. Granted, his platform was great, but his method of delivery was not as passionate as it is now and Joe Lieberman is a twit. I like the new "Dean" attitude, it gets your attention.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:50 PM
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35. He was passionate in 2000. If you don't think so, please go to CSPAN and
watch some of his speeches. That is just a right wing thing about Gore. Oh, he is too boring, where is the passion? He is just not exciting enough to be president. Fastfoward to 2004: Oh, Al Gore is insane. For a former Vice President to raise his voice at our president is over the top. He has blown his top.

You can't please everyone.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:05 PM
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18. I think Gore's been hanging out with Dean and Dean is
getting Gore to speak out with more passion.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:00 PM
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17. Every single day a Democrat must say: This war was wrong.
They must say it was an evil thing, and they must start to bring out the thousands of innocent civilians we killed.

Gore needs our support, and more need to be just that way. It is way past time.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:14 PM
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19. Dems4america, you have a great website.
Thanks for all you do keeping up with Al Gore.
:hi:
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:48 PM
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23. Thanks for posting the link to your website
I appreciate being able to read the story there.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:08 PM
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25. Thanks guys
I do it for Al, and everyone like you, who care!

Thanks again!
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:57 PM
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24. If he'd acted like this in the last election, he would have won by such
a landslide that there wouldn't have benn any Florida fiasco.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:11 PM
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27. I agree. But I also know . .
. . the mind of the analytical person - because I am one.

In his case he had many well-meaning high level strategists telling him what to do. He probably followed their advice, not trusting his insticts, and not wanting to jeopardize such an important task.

Perhaps he just doesn't have the gut level instincts that could give him the confidence to be in that position (or achieve it decisively). Just as I know I wouldn't. And just as I know Clinton did.

Here's hoping JK has it in spades.
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MrBadExample Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:09 PM
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26. Argh.
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 04:10 PM by MrBadExample
They mean "flouting", not "flaunting":

"flout v. tr. To show contempt for; scorn: flout a law; behavior that flouted convention."

Sorry. Pet peeve.
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:27 PM
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31. With regard to Chalabi . . .
". . . for 3 years, hes been doping the President of the United States, Gore said. Does that inspire confidence?

If that were true, it would explain many of Bush*s actions. More likely, Gore said that Chalabi was "duping" the dope.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 06:59 PM
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33. Yea, he said duping, they messed up
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