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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:02 PM
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Texas Republicans call for dismantling the federal government...
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June 11, 2004 | On the first night of the Texas Republican state convention last week, there were plenty of receptions to attend. Instead, almost 200 delegates and visitors chose to file patiently into a room in the Henry B. Gonzalez Convention Center in downtown San Antonio for the meeting of the Permanent Platform Committee. The next two and half hours would be one of their few opportunities to influence the party's ideology.

Earlier that day, the chairwoman of the Republican Party of Texas, Tina Benkiser, had proclaimed to the 11,000 or so delegates assembled for the June 3-5 convention, "This is the true grass-roots center of America." This state party, in fact, is the crucible in which Karl Rove helped craft the presidency of George W. Bush. It is the home of U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land. The party has seized control of every statewide office in Texas, won majorities in both chambers in the Statehouse for the first time in more than a century, and along with ideological soul mates, captured the U.S. Congress. The grass-roots movement that provided the energy and manpower for the GOP's rise in Texas traces its origin to Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign in 1980 and then Pat Robertson's run for the presidential nomination in 1988. The televangelist's campaign birthed an overtly evangelical cadre of revolutionaries with a radical plan for a return to 19th century government, at least as they understand it.

The values and world vision of the movement today can be found enshrined in the 24-page party platform. It's a fearful, twilight looking-glass world, beset by enemies, where the purity of the culture, under constant siege, must be protected from threats both internal and external. The platform makes short work of the federal government, calling for the abolition of everything from the U.S. Department of Education to the Internal Revenue Service, along with most taxes. Aliens without proper identification are to be summarily deported. Illegal immigrants should not be granted drivers' licenses. Voter registration is to be made more difficult. "American English" is the official language of the state, and "the Party supports the termination of bilingual education programs in Texas." A plank titled "equality for all citizens" urges the repeal of hate crimes legislation. Another one states: "We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values." Since the Bible is the literal truth, teachers should have the right to instruct their public school students in "creation science." The Ten Commandments are the foundation of the legal system. And lest anyone forget, "America is a Christian nation."

When asked by reporters for comment, Texas Democratic Party chairman Charles Soechting called the state GOP's platform "the longest political suicide note in modern Texas history." While Soechting flagged the Republicans' extremism, the internal fight in San Antonio over the platform's planks revealed a party still struggling to make the transition from insurgency to leadership. A lack of statewide races on the ballot this year combined with overwhelming support for President Bush, who will certainly carry the Lone Star State, has deprived the party faithful of a unifying electoral challenge. In its absence, divisions and political ambition are moving front and center.

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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:12 PM
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1. So they are moving in a libertarian direction?
...small governement and low taxes and all that?

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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:38 PM
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36. Libertarians don't support Theocracy
Libertarians would praise the removal of taxes and government services, but they would decry oppressive "Biblical" laws. I'm not entirely sure they would support an official language either, as they would probably view that as authority being given to the government. I live in Texas, the scary thing is that no matter how bizarre the GOP gets down here, my fellow Texans will probably vote for them anyway. The 2000 platform was almost as bad, in fact, if I remember correctly one of the first items was a statement rejecting the "false notion" of a separation of Church and State. Remember, this was the place that made Bush* look moderate.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:21 PM
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48. That's right, it a basic dichotomy
"Biblical" law, as these nutjobs preach it, would be more intrusive into people's lives than the Taliban were.
How this fits into libertarian philosophy is a mystery.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:55 PM
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50. Libertarians will prevail by co-opting the government in power.
They appeal to Liberals because they favor decriminalization of drugs; they appeal to Republicans because they're pro-free market & reduction of government. Libertarians won't even begin to cut into the Christian right group, until the other two parties are so weakened thaat there won't be anyone to put up a fight.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:21 PM
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2. Time to turn back the clock

and make Texas into a Republic again

Maybe even give it back to Mexico, if they're foolish enough to take it.

At least that way, we can keep them from sending criminals to lead the Federal government.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:22 PM
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:27 PM
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4. I applaud your naivete
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:30 PM
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5. Actually DU isn't about 'free speech' it's about exchanging views among
Democrats and progressives.

:hi:

:nopity:
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sally343434 Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:31 PM
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6. Adios
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 09:35 PM by sally343434
I think you want Free Republic. That's where the republican circle-jerk is. I think you missed the sign on the information superhighway.

By the way, virtually all of us were around for the Reagan tragedy so we know very well what a shameless and vile criminal he was.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:50 PM
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23. YOu'll know when he's TS'ed
An automatic profile will be created.

And to the nut who posted that: If you want to battle libs, go to the Yahoo boards. Every board has it's purpose.

Obviously this one isn't to your liking.

So be it.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:32 PM
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7. Since you haven't bothered to invent a profile....
I'm not sure how we will be able to see whether or not you've been tombstoned. Most of your sort manage to hang on long enough to start a thread in which they can publish their disdain for Democratic Underground.

Sorry, we tend to be Democrats here. If you'd bothered to read the post that started this thread, you'd understand what we're up against--especially here in Texas.

Do you really think that anybody will be upset that you're gone?



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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:34 PM
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8. You just proved
that Free Speech exists here.
Try posting on Free Republic
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Curious Dave Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:48 PM
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18. How many more threads
are you going to post this trash in before you do us a favor and go away. I'm tired of seeing this everywhere I go.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:39 PM
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37. This post is very cut and paste. And come to think about it...
...it has nothing to do about this thread. I think we have someone crying for attention.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:27 PM
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35. Someone call Mexico and ask them if they remember the Alamo.
*
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:36 PM
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9. Can we give Texas back to Mexico?
We could pay them a little something to take it couldn't we?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:39 PM
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11. Why wish them on the Mexicans.
They have enough problems.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:37 PM
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10. I'm beginning to think that these people do need their own country
so that they can leave our's alone. Just where, I don't know.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:40 PM
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12. Mars?
Send the Stuped Morans up there with the first Chimp!
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:41 PM
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13. The Republicans to not represent all Texans....
Any more than the people of the great state of California can be judged because they gave the USA President Nixon & President Reagan.

And how about your latest governor--aren't you proud of him?

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:45 PM
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15. My latest Governor?
The ladies seem to like him!
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:47 PM
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17. Well, he couldnt grope everyone

He only plays an automaton
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:51 PM
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25. Bob Wise don't need to grope!
The ladies Grope him because he's a Good Democrat! Hell I've even been groped myself a few times and I think they were just playing politics!

You've got Groppers and Gippers in the GOP! Gropees in our party!
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:45 PM
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16. Good Point

Let's give the whole Southwest back

And I live here (Kahlifonia)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:59 PM
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31. Gee, then we'll all be sneaking across the Canadian border to pick onions
and bus tables in restaurants.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:53 PM
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26. Was I dumping on Texans? I was not! I was saying that these
people need another place of their own, not Texas. I guess one must be very literal around here, although many of my editorial minded friends would say that if information is implied, it needn't be stated out loud. Now I do think since Shrubby did want a new mission to Mars, it could be a possibility. Also, on planet earth, there is Utah. (Shrinking now for the storm of rotten tomatoes from Utahans.)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:43 PM
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:49 PM
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19. Yes, viper. Maybe we can learn from that.
Sorry, I'm too busy convulsing in laughter and bellyaches from your posts to "learn" right now.

You're a hoot, too bad you can't stick around. I totally dig your lectures. Have you thought about contributing to the ACLU yet? I think you'd be interested, since you're such a free-speech crusader:

http://www.aclu.org/
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:50 PM
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21. How can we miss you if you won't go away?
You don't know anything about the Cold War, either.


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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:50 PM
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22. How can we miss you if you don't go away?
Go ahead, deprive us of your greatness.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:54 PM
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27. Great minds & all....
Wasn't "How can we miss you..." a Dan Hicks song?


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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:55 PM
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28. Did your grandfather live in the United States?
Somehow I am skeptical that Pravda offered subscriptions in the U.S. in the 50's. Does anyone else here know about this?
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:12 PM
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33. 18 posts and not a one good
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 10:47 PM by camero
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:12 PM
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41. I missed all the good ones...nt
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:54 PM
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43. You didn't miss much
Looked like a form letter really.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:00 PM
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45. RWingers getting too lazy to post their own words?
Could it be, they see the implosion of their Compassionate Conservatism is just around the corner?
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:12 PM
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47. They've been getting nuttier and nuttier lately
Look at their leader to see that.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:23 PM
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49. The Great Exodus should be coming soon...
I saw newtie last wk on the today show..
talking rag time about how good a job Bush is doing...
and to stay the course!

what is he drinking?

yetch!...
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:44 PM
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38. I'm living proof that moderate opinions are tolerated on DU.
I've even expressed conservative opinions without getting canned. Perhaps it's because we have more in common, than differences.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:49 PM
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20. What percentage of people in your area agree with all this.
When I lived outside of Boston - I'd say zero.

But out here in OH, I'd say 10-20%. And it's not the "Bubba's" or "Rednecks" or whatever you want to call them. It's the white collar middle class that is the backbone of this movement. When I worked in an office, they all listened to clear channel in their headphones and popped up like gophers when Rush made an apparently cleaver remark.

My technical supervisor was one of them, and he didn't know I secretly listened to Rush. He would saunder over to my cube and begin with something like "I've been thinking lately..." and then repeat almost verbatum whatever Rush was talking about a half hour ago. It's a wonder I never went postal.

They all go to their fundie churches which demand 10-30% of their incomes and want to "save America from depravity" - I.E. force their viewpoint on you. These are seemingly intelligent people, but when it comes to dogma, religious or political, their minds seize up and refuse to think.

Do you think that at some point there will be a critical mass of these folks? It just seems worse every day. How many people actually believed in the Nazi's agenda? I fear we are headed in a similar direction.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:51 PM
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24. America is NOT a Christian nation.
It's a democracy. If Christians don't like it they can go straight to Hell. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:58 PM
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29. Aren't These Precepts Of The "Reconstructionists"?
sort of the American version of the Taliban?

This is sort of scary.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:59 PM
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30. FOR OUR NATION: we need to try to get RID OF DELAY!!!
I just posted something about Morrison who is running against Delay.
http://www.richardmorrisonfordistrict22.com /

This is my post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

To some extent, I consider getting him out is as important as getting Kerry in.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:03 PM
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32. Without a doubt, but you guys in Texas are going to have to
do it. All the rest of us can do is stand by and wring our hands. Also, here in California, we have our hands full trying to depose Ahnold.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:26 PM
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34. Sounds like treason to me.
Why should anyone be surprised? These people have been nuts for a long time and we enabled them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:45 PM
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:55 PM
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40. The NEOCONs' in Reagan's administration said their purpose was to
shrink the federal government down to the size they could drown it in a bath tub and KILL IT. i heard that many times.. I heard Ronald Reagan say 3 times that the Bill of Rights were not part of the Constitution and were not binding, that they were not guaranteed.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:18 PM
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42. IIRC, that was
Grover Norquist.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 02:04 PM
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46. Norquist isnt a Necon
At least I dont think he is.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 01:59 PM
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44. What a bunch of weirdos
"American English" is the official language of the state, and "the Party supports the termination of bilingual education programs in Texas."

Since the Bible is the literal truth, teachers should have the right to instruct their public school students in "creation science." The Ten Commandments are the foundation of the legal system. And lest anyone forget, "America is a Christian nation."

But the Bible was originally written in Hebrew, then Greek, then Latin, then Olde Englishe. They must be banning the Bible too since it's not American English. And how about the two commandments which Jesus spoke of? Christians are definitely not running Texas. Just insane people.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:03 PM
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51. With that anti-bilingual platform you would think they would lose support
from hispanics. But it won't happen. If Texas Republican Hispanics are anything like my uncle, they are a conflicted group. He raised children who feel very comfortable using the "n" word. One of them even married a racist. To hear him talk about blacks is quite shocking, especially when the wife doesn't even blink disapproval. Their children will also be racists. I couldn't help feeling that they grow up this way because they can't accept being low man on the totem pole.
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