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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:39 AM
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Poll question: Whose integrity do you respect more: Hugo Chavez or his Opposition?
I think this is the real integrity question here.

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:43 AM
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1. Chavez of course
regardless of his faults.

The opposition are willing to hand over their country to an outside power (the US), and to sell their souls -- and fellow citizens, especially poor ones -- for wealth.

It is very interesting how people in the US, and the media of course, are so willing to focus on anything negative about Chavez, while ignoring not only the realities in Venezuela, but the much worse conditions and behavior of very close US allies in places like Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, etc.

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:46 AM
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2. The US doesn't want Venezuela to be like Kuwait where the standard
of living for every citizen is high. They don't want hat wealth making it into the pockets of "the great unwashed". They are happier to have the elitists control the wealth and media.

Also - the US, at all costs, will fight to NEVER allow there to be a strong Central/South American nation.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:20 AM
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10. Of course not - for the simple reason
that there is only two places from which the US could suffer an invasion, and Canada ain't exactly militant.

I don't claim this is the only reason, of course, but I bet it prays on some people's minds...
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:56 AM
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12. Yeah and there's a reason why we have such a large military investment in
the country separating Venezuela from said attack point. That place of vulnerability, btw, who do you think they'd side with? The Bolivarian brown folk who speak their language or the Gringos? Riddle me that!
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:57 AM
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13. I'm a middle class gringo apparently
I hope they side with me...
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:00 AM
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14. I mean the Cheney-class gringos!
The Strom Thurmond style gringos, but you knew that.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:02 AM
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15. What, am I not gringo enough?!
damn, I always knew I wasn't cool... :P

Maybe I just need a cool flight suit, and then I too can be a gringo.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:08 AM
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16. What you need is a mini-defibrillator surgically implanted to keep your
cold dead heart slogging along after you should be long dead. Then you'll be properly gringafied!
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:48 AM
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3. ha...fnally somebody posts the proper queston...
and of course, it comes from ChavezSpeakstheTruth.

i had considered posting this same question yesterday, but didn't, thinking ANY SECOND NOW someone else would, and i would have to delete mine as a dupe.

Thank you, CStT.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:51 AM
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4. Glad to be of service!
I expect some flak for posting since I criticized the poster of the Chavez/Carter poll, saying it was pointless, but I think that the REAL question needed to be asked.

These Chavez vs some prominent Democrat threads smack of 2 things: avoiding the REAL question of Chavez vs the Oligarchy and serving to make Democrats look bad. IMHOP
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:51 AM
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5. How about neither n/t
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:09 AM
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6. Bada bing, bada boom
you have hit the nail on the head!
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:11 AM
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7. I was getting frustrated with this bizarre need to pit Dems against Chavez
I question the motives of such questioning in this forum.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:12 AM
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8. Well I'm sorry for my part in it
but last night was too much fun to stop... :)
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:13 AM
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9. I can tell - I'm pissed that i missed it!
I enjoy the political raquetball!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:32 AM
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18. Thanks for pointing out the strangeness of those ploys. n/t
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:40 AM
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19. Always got my eyes open
As do you.

You're welcome
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 08:37 AM
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11. Kick !!!!!!!
:kick:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:21 AM
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17. Waiting for the usual suspects to show up and
report stuff from the Venezuelan equivalents of Fox News... :-)
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:46 AM
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21. Does this help?
How 'bout a preemptive strike ;-)

Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that Castro this Castro that


That should do it.


:boring:
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:48 AM
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22. (Insert Democrat's name here) said he's a dictator
(Insert Democrat's name here) said he's becoming a dictator
(Insert Democrat's name here) said he really likes dictators
(Insert Democrat's name here) said he's an aspiring dictator
(Insert Democrat's name here) said he's pretty much a dictator
(Insert Democrat's name here) said he's got dictatorship on the brain

:)
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:43 AM
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20. I really don't feel I know enough about Venezuela to answer
The caricatures I have received from reading articles tell me Chavez, but I have to admit to myself I really have no idea what is going on on the ground there. I do know there are powerful private interests who engineered a coup against Chavez and own most of the media outlets, and also they resent his trying to wrest the oil industry away from them, but I just don't know the whole story, I'm afraid. Chavez sounds great to me based on what I've read, but I wonder if I'm getting the whole picture? One confused vote for Chavez, anyway.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:49 AM
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23. Which do you respect more, a random human being or his opposition?
You are comparing a person (Hugo Chavez) to... what exactly?


If you want to make a comparison, you need to compare equivalencies, for instance, the integrity of one person versus the integrity of one other person.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:53 AM
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24. No I don't
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:21 PM
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27. Well of course you have the ability to make an invalid comparison.
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 12:32 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
No one can compel you to make sense. Just as you have the ability to not respond substantively to criticism. No one can compel you to engage in an honest discussion.

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:49 PM
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29. Ok
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 02:54 PM by ChavezSpeakstheTruth
Thanks, that's nice coming from mr. "If you don't like my poll don't participate".

Please
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:31 PM
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32. Indeed
I didn't vote in your poll because I didn't know whose integrity it was I was supposed to compare to Chavez's.


I'm sure you remember that in that other thread, although I acknowledged your right to not vote in the poll, I also encouraged you to participate in the discussion. I think people with a variety of viewpoints, discussing their opinions without descending to personal attacks is a good thing, don't you?

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:24 PM
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33. Ahh - You only know of those who oppose Chavez but not of his opposition!
Interesting oh fair and balanced one!!!!!
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:43 PM
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35. Like I said, I could compare a person to a person
but it is hard to compare a person to a buzzword.

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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:04 PM
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26. Whichever of them represents the working class n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:59 AM
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25. Venezuelas Most Challenging Moment Is Here
Venezuelas Most Challenging Moment Is Here
Tuesday, 1 June 2004, 9:25 am
Press Release: Council on Hemispheric Affairs


Venezuelas Most Challenging Moment Is Here
Recall validation petition ends today as country heads for a count-down over whether a referendum vote will be announced on June 4.

Venezuelan authorities continue to explore the role of Colombian right-wing paramilitary forces who Chvez claimed were training to overthrow him, and were in league with the middle-class anti-Chvez opposition.

Chvez is close to finding out if avoiding the opposition-led recall referendum time bomb is within his reach to diffuse, and if he can stamp out the initiative along with critics charges that the alleged Colombian raid was a stunt to divert attention from the recall.

The Venezuelan president claims that the U.S. had prior knowledge and involvement in the plotted attack from Colombia, which is in keeping with his pattern of coming forth with anti-U.S. allegations as well as Washingtons pattern of giving him sufficient reason to make such accusations.
(snip/...)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0406/S00003.htm
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:34 PM
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28. A kick
:kick: Just for the hellofit
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:49 PM
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30. Thank you
:)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:07 PM
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31. Col. Chavez, Sir
He is much to be preferred to those who oppose him....
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:26 PM
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34. I wish we had a Hugo Chavez here.
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