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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:55 PM
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Did the US Gov't Develop the Aids Virus?
Edited on Mon May-31-04 03:15 PM by candy331
Perhaps this may shed some light on why the US is in Iraq and moving to other ME nations. Just a thought.


Did the US Government Develop the AIDS Virus?

The following is a complete verbatim transcription from a recent broadcast of "Network 23", a program shown on a local Los Angeles Public Access Cable Channel.

FULL TRANSCRIPTION FROM NETWORK 23:

Good evening, I'm Michel Kassett. This is Network 23. A couple of weeks ago we had a program on the subject of AIDS, addressing the question of whether AIDS -- the AIDS virus -- was created by the government; and I'm sure that some people were quite shocked by what they heard. We spent that entire program relating to you the evidence of a very substantial amount of factual evidence which supports the proposition that AIDS is a synthetic biological agent that was deliberately engineered by the US government as an instrument of depopulation. This is by far the most controversial and dangerous subject that we have ever addressed on this program, so I would like to review briefly the major points -- the most significant pieces of evidence -- that I presented two weeks ago.

The first point was that in the early 1970's, Henry Kissinger wrote a top secret document -- a National Security Memorandum ("NSM 200") -- in which he indicated that "depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World." This Memorandum which can be obtained from the US National Archives, which was only declassified very quietly in 1990, was adopted by the National Security Council as official US foreign policy towards the Third World. Now, this is a classic example of the "secret government" in action, because of none of this was known to the Congress, and certainly, it was not known to the American people. Did any of you know that depopulation was considered a matter of US national security? Did any of you know that for the past 20 years, depopulation has been the highest long-range priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World? No you didn't, because it was classified -- it was a secret.

I would like to read for you just a piece of this document. It is written by Henry Kissinger:

"Reduction of the rate of population in these States is a matter of vital US national security."

And we even have a map of those areas in which Kissinger indicates where depopulation would be desireable. It's all Third World countries -- it's all brown people and yellow people, of course.

"The US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries. That fact gives the US enhanced interests in the political, economic and social stability of the supplying countries. Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of the United States."

Now, when Kissinger says "economic interests of the United States..." he means the interests of US corporations, which are in fact, multi-national corporations, with no loyalty to this country whatsoever. NSM 200, unlike other government documents on the subject, outlined "international and political and economic implications of population growth..." rather than its ecological or sociological aspects. Like we have been saying all along, the New World Order is a business, and the US Government is in the business of business.

More- much more with Bush included, well worth the read.



http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_aids_conspiracy/aids-us.html
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:58 PM
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1. And West Nile Virus too
http://www.whale.to/v/nile.html

It mentions AIDS too.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:59 PM
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2. Do a google, lots of info and theories about this
I have some hard copy of stuff that is no longer available on the Net. Some of the info is hard to believe but some of it is also possible.
Once you read the history of the Tuskegee experiments you can believe that anything is possible.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:22 PM
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29. The Tuskeegee incident was not a thing like what this implies
At Tuskeegee, males already sick with syphilis were lied to and told they were being treated when all the doctors were just monitoring them. The purpose of Tuskeegee was to study the progress of syphilis.

Everyone was already sick, they were justr inhumanely allowed to die.

This implies a mistruth (see my post below) and incites fear and suspicion.
I did a paper on AIDS for science in college and I can tell you that this is bunk. Invented by the KGB in 1986 to embarass the US.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:01 PM
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3. No.
Edited on Mon May-31-04 03:02 PM by liberal_veteran
As a person with HIV, there are some tinfoil hat theories I will not subscribe to.

New diseases and variants of virii are not exactly anything that hasn't happened before.


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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:06 PM
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4. I am sorry to hear about your HIV
I have several friends with HIV. I hope we find a cure soon.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:23 PM
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24. Another HIV+ says no. Recombinant virus, mutation is its forte.
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Curious Dave Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:18 AM
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35. Liberal Veteran
You're in my thoughts and prayers

a fellow vet

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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:09 PM
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5. the US has been investigating bio-weapons and genetically targeted viruses
that is not in question. AIDS? How would we know?
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TO Kid Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:13 PM
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18. USSR wanted one
Soviet researchers were trying to develop bioweapons that targeted black people, on the premise that it would devastate the US military without affecting their own personnel. AFAIK they never had any success.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:25 PM
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30. AIDS is not man made
it is a mutated form of the primate virus SIV. Almost all of the science world will tell you that AIDS is not created by man
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:10 PM
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6. I don't buy this one and I am a long time member of the grassy Knoll
society. I think HIV causes AIDS and that it is a desease that mutated from monkeys to humans.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:31 PM
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11. People act like this is the only...
...retrovirus that has effects on the immune system. There are other similar diseases in primates (more than one, actually) and it isn't difficult to imagine the leap from primates to humans happening.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:26 PM
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31. The vast majority of viruses
are created by zoological transfer--the mutation of virus between species.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:26 PM
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32. The vast majority of viruses
are created by zoological transfer--the mutation of virus between species.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:14 PM
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7. I suspect so, but I can't say with certainty.
I still have on my "to read" shelf Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola - Nature, Accident or Intentional? by Dr Leonard Horowitz.

Depopulation, or "population control" is a scary thread which connects a lot of these characters. And Mike Ruppert said last night in Toronto that the microbiologists who have died mysteriously in recent years are linked to research in gene-specific weapons.

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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:27 PM
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33. the guy is a flake
I have seen his articles on the net before.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:28 PM
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8. This would explain the War on Condoms. Systemic eugenics.
http://www.rense.com/general40/dead.htm
(How Many Dead Microbiologists?)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/experimentation.html
(History of Secret Experimentation on US Citizens and AIDS)

http://www.newamericancentury.org/defensenationalsecurity.ht
(PNAC Security Strategy suggests Ethnic Targeting of Bioweapons)
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:30 PM
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10. Except that AIDS kills indescriminantly
without respect for race/sex/etc. It's an equal opportunity destroyer.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:34 PM
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13. While we're at it...
...let's check out Rense's assertions about the holocaust:

http://www.rense.com/general53/dave.htm

Geez... those dirty, dirty jews. What will they think of next?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:39 PM
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15. While we're at it -- did you bother to read the Rense disclaimer?
I'll help you out a bit, here's the first paragraph, with significant parts bolded:

The materials comprising the Rense.com news service (the "Website") are provided by Rense.com as a service to its readers on an "as-is, as-available" basis for informational purposes only. Rense.com assumes no responsibility for any errors or omissions in these materials. Rense.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. Further, Rense.com cannot edit, control, review for truth or accuracy, or screen for defamation or obscenity any content provided to the Website by a third party through postings, uploaded files, or any other form of communication, nor can the Rense.com ensure prompt removal of defamatory, obscene, inappropriate or unlawful content after transmission. Any such third party postings, files or other communications do not necessarily represent the opinions, beliefs, or positions of the Rense.com, its owner, employees or sponsors.


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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:18 PM
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21. Rense posts many things, from UFOs, Israel, 9/11, to Frederick Douglas.
Edited on Mon May-31-04 06:19 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
While checking sources is mandatory to critical thinking, there are many many sources at that site as there are at this one. Some du-ers scare me and some have taught me mind-changing things.

That article you cited as hostile to Jews really was in many ways. There was an effort to find 'experts' who would declare that no one was gassed 'intentionally' at Nazi concentration camps. Yet it had valid points mixed in about the unwillingness of many to criticise Israel/US policies out of fear of being declared anti-semitic. A mix of nastiness and reasonableness.

http://www.rense.com/general34/lifeand.htm
(The Life and Legacy of Frederick Douglass)

The Life & Legacy of Frederick Douglass
William S. Connery
World and I

"Born a slave in Maryland, Frederick Douglas eventually escaped to freedom. His lifelong struggles for liberty and the rights of others have become a stirring episode in the darkest chapter of American history."

Not too wacky, is it?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:10 PM
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17. Thanks for the great links especially this one
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:28 PM
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25. Great link on David Kelly and the Microbiologists going south
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:30 PM
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9. Reduction of the rate of population = Birth Control
You can read that article from a paranoid mindset, surely. But it sounds like promotion of birth control programs to me - maybe with selfish interests in mind, but with a beneficial result nevertheless. It's been shown that when women gain control of their reproductive rate and start having fewer kids, standards of living improve. That's helpful all the way around.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:33 PM
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12. I heard it was caused by U.S. biological experiments in Africa
If that's true, it would explain why it's so bad there.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:51 PM
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27. One theory is that some scientist was developing a vacine
and testing it in Africa.
Here is a story on that theory.

http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/09/17.html
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:42 PM
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14. Well, ya know, I don't doubt it
but I see the word Illuminati on a website and go yeah, OK, whatever.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:44 PM
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16. I'll buy a foreign policy of depoluation, but not the bioengineering
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:14 PM
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19. Read this book and see what you think...
Mary, Ferrie & the Monkey Virus: The Story of an Underground Medical Laboratory
<http://all-computer-books.co.uk/0964398125.html>
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:17 PM
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20. And the repukes combine this with "right to life" as well...
What a bunch of soulless cowards and traitors.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:20 PM
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22. The only theory about this that ever made any sense to me was
that back in the 50s, they used monkey livers as the growth medium for the polio vaccines they were developing and testing in Africa. In the US they used sheep livers as the growth medium.

When they vaccinated the folks in Africa, the disease spread from monkeys to humans.

DISCLAIMER: I am not saying this is what happened. It just seems like a relatively benign way for it to have happened IF INDEED there was a human hand in the introduction of AIDS to humans.

No evil conspiracies, just a sad mistake that nobody could've foreseen.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:30 PM
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34. I have read this too---this is a legit theory
That was the best 'conspiracy theory' on this. There is evidence to support this, unlike the cranky theories.

Some guy wrote a book who thinks he can trace the SIV-contaminated vaccine back to a certain lab.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:21 PM
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23. No. nt
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:51 PM
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26. No-old piece of Soviet disinformation
Edited on Mon May-31-04 07:53 PM by WoodrowFan
only the truly gullible believe it. It makes no sense scientifically or economically or in any other way. And I lost a good schoolfriend through AIDs so I am sensitive to it.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:18 PM
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28. This is not true--a Few AIDS facts
First of all, science has pretty much confirmed that HIV-1 has come from a certain Chimpanzee breed's form of SIV and HIV-2 came from the Sooty Mangabe monkey's SIV strain.

Fact---Aids first appeared in Africa by 1959, in Congo. Tissue and blood samples confirm this

Fact---Aids first came to the US in 1968. A male prostitutes blood samples confirm this.

Fact---Aids is only closely related to SIV, a similar disease in primates. Myths about it being a spliced virus are just thet, myths.

Fact---Mankind probably could not devise a virus this advanced today, much less 30 years ago. In 1959, when the first AIDS case is confirmed, this would have been in the realm of Science Fiction.

Fact---this story was invented by the KGB in 1986. They created this myth and even renounced it. It is detailed in the Mitrokhin Archives, a book based on KGB documents smuggled to the UK by a defector.
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