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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:40 AM
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Real Torture, Real Sex, Real Electrodes at US Prisons in Iraq
The prisoners of the US in Iraq weren't just forced to simulate sex with each other, but forced to have homosexual sex with each other.

The electrodes weren't only used to threaten prisoners, but to electrically shock prisoners.

Read More at MOVELEFT.COM:

http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2004_05_30_real_...
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:45 AM
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1. kick
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:19 PM
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19. why isn't there more outrage?
Do people have any idea what Bush is doing?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:30 PM
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20. Only a third of Americans belive the US commited torture in Iraq.
Edited on Mon May-31-04 04:31 PM by Eric J in MN
The rest may think people were photographed naked and that's it, not realizing the electrical shocks, beatings, and rape.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:55 AM
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2. we're going down
this is too much for the rest of the world to put up with.
Its too much for us to put up with. God help us all.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:58 AM
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3. i never believed the 'staged' aspect of the photos, it's real torture
prisoners were forced to simulate sex, bullshit. prisoners were lied to and told the wires were hot, bullshit. prisoners were covered with an unknown brown substance....bullshit, the prisoner was forced to shit in his hands and smear it all over his face and body.

what idiots most americans are.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:26 AM
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6. I think most Americans believe the wries weren't hot, but
I think most Americans believe the wires weren't hot, but reports from Amnesty International and that NPR interview show prisoners WERE elecrticcally shocked by the US.

That's why I wrote the article.

I wish I were a popular blogger so more people would see it.

(By the way, until recently, I was hoping that the electrodes were only used to threaten prisoners, but my hopes were dashed as more information became available).



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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:25 PM
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15. notice the Corporate Press Whores are covering everything up
including the Democratic party AND Kerry. If the truth was simply acknowledged on TV, Americans would be demanding impeachment and imprisonment of Bush. But that would screw up the war plans, so the Democrats and Kerry are helping Bush cover it up.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:17 PM
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23. Unfortunately, a lot of reporters have an attitude that if the
Unfortunately, a lot of reporters have an attitude that if the Pentagon said something happened, it did, but the testimony of survivors of mistreatment as prisoners or a bombing are "alleged" at best, and usually not worth reporting at all.

Jim Mishkleshevski (spelling?) reported the Pentagon version of the bombing of the wedding party that the people on the ground launched heavy fire against the US as the truth. Not even as "the Pentagon said."

But the video evidence and testimony of survivors say it was a wedding party.


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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:00 AM
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4. that TIME snippet is something else...
Is it 1984 already?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:22 AM
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5.  JOHANNA MCGEARY is a good reporter overall, but she
JOHANNA MCGEARY is a good reporter overall-which is how she got the interview, but was probably so used to used to hearing other reporters say "simulated sex in the photos" that she joined in.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:47 PM
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7. Here is the complete article, for people who don't feel like clicking
Here is the complete article, for people who don't feel like clicking the link:


The prisoners of the US in Iraq weren't just forced to simulate sex with each other, but forced to have homosexual sex with each other.

The electrodes weren't only used to threaten prisoners, but to electrically shock prisoners.

News reports have misleadingly said that Iraqi prisoners were forced to simulate sex acts. For example, the passage below from Time Magazine, uses the term ?simulating? ('The Scandal's Growing Stain,' May 17, 2004, bold added).

Haider Sabbar Abed al-Abbadi kept his shame to himself until the world saw him stripped naked, his head in a hood, a nude fellow prisoner kneeling before him simulating oral sex. " That is me," he claims to a Time reporter, as one of the lurid photographs of detained Iraqis suffering sexual humiliation at the hands of U.S. soldiers scrolls down a computer screen. "I felt a mouth close around my penis. It was only when they took the bag off my head that I saw it was my friend." In the nine months he spent in detention, al-Abbadi says he was never charged and never interrogated A careful reading of the above passage shows that the Iraqi prisoners were forced to have sex with each other. The reporter's use of the word "simulating" doesn't fit with the actual testimony of the former prisoner.


The 1600 photos which Senators and Congresspersons were allowed to view, but not the public, provide further evidence that prisoners were forced to have sex with each other ("Seattle Post Intelligencer," "New images 'disgust' Congress," May 13, 2004):

But the private images showed objects and behavior that were more graphic and diverse, including corpses, military dogs snarling at cowering prisoners, women commanded to expose their breasts, and sex acts, including forced homosexual sex. The Taguba report tells of an American "sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick" and "a male MP guard having sex with a female detainee," which is of course, rape.

Additionally, "the International Occupation Watch Centre, an NGO which gathers information on human rights abuses under coalition rule, said one former detainee has told of the alleged rape of her cellmate."

The forced sex between prisoners and rapes by guards, were real, not simulated.

The electrodes weren't just for show, either. They were used to electrically shock prisoners.

Amnesty International uses the term "war crimes" to describe the US treatment of Iraqi prisoners, writing:

Last July, the organization raised allegations of torture and ill-treatment of Iraqi detainees by US and Coalition forces in a memorandum to the US Government and Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Iraq. The allegations included beatings, electric shocks, sleep deprivation, hooding, and prolonged forced standing and kneeling. It received no response nor any indication from the administration or the CPA that an investigation took place. A man named Saleh who is currently in Michigan was arrested by the US in Iraq and electrically shocked as a prisoner at Abu Ghraib.

Saleh was an opponent of Saddam Hussein who was tortured over a decade ago at Abu Ghraib under Saddam's rule, left Iraq and became a Swedish citizen, returned during the US occupation, and was randomly arrested by the US and again tortured at Abu Ghraib, this time by the US.

Saleh refers to being electrically shocked by the US while a prisoner at Abu Ghraib at the 2:42 mark of this mp3:

NPR report of May 20, 2004 in which Saleh describes being tortured by Americans at Abu Ghraib:
http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft/audio/2004_05_20_npr_i...





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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:34 PM
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8. Please spread the link around the internet, so more people
Please spread the link around the internet, so more people learn that the US is electrically-shocking prisoners, and forcing prisoners to have homosexual sex with each other, and raping female prisoners.

http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2004_05_30_real_...

or moveleft.com for short.


Thanks.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:45 PM
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9. We will never live this down in our life times
I have no words.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:41 PM
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21. they are burning American flag in Australia
of all places
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:56 PM
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10. As more returnees arrive the social networks of ALL AMERICANS are
hearing and seeing the criminal results of the neo-conservative fascist TRAITORS in the RUMSFELD/MYERS DoD and their evil cult mercenaries employed by the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President :grr:

These folks have names, and the PEOPLE are talking.

This is treason imo.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:58 PM
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11. They do have names.
People with responsibility include Donald Rumsfeld, Steven Cambone, Geoffrey Miller, and Barbara Fast.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:22 PM
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14. Col. Pappas, TITAN, John Israel, Mr. Stephanowitz, CACI, Richard Armitage
General Sanchez, General Kimmit, General Karpinski, General Myers, Donald Rumsfeld, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Condoleeza Rice, Richard Cheney, yep-they aren't gonna get away with murder and torture in our name, the traitors.
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:14 PM
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12. I wonder why the DoD left out 2000 pages of the Taguba report?
The Bush Crime Cartel never comes clean about anything! Americans don't even trust the NeoKKKon Warlords, so how or why would we expect the rest of the world to? I don't believe a word any of them says anymore, because every time they say anything, it turns out to be a lie in the end!

CNN is a right wing propaganda tool alright, but the entire world sees what is happening in America thanks to them and their ilk! Thanks to the US cable media the entire Arab world is being enraged more every day and it's costing US soldiers their lives! CNN does NOT support the troops anymore than 'Bring It On Bush' does!

How do you think the Arabs feel when they see FOX, MSNBC and CNN playing down this murder, rape and torture and then covering the asses of those who ordered this? Al Gore is not nearly as "Insane" as the bastards behind this morbid criminal cruelty!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:28 PM
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17. Probably a coverup for General Geoffrey Miller
Edited on Mon May-31-04 03:28 PM by Eric J in MN
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a...

The missing pages include a report written in September by Major General Geoffrey Miller, the deputy commander of detainee operations at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, after his visit to Abu Ghraib and recommendations for improving interrogations there, according to a summary of the missing pages prepared by Senate staff. They also included draft findings of Miller's visit given to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, according to the summary.

Miller's report and recommendations served, according to press reports, as the basis for stricter interrogation methods, including the use of guard dogs against detainees, that critics say contributed to a climate of abuse that lead to the prison scandal.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:08 PM
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22. I think Miller and Boykin were the tools Rummy used to turn up
the heat! Taskforce 121!
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:19 PM
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13. Rumsfeld should be executed for crimes against humanity
If there was any justice in the world Rumsfeld would be tried, convicted, and hung by the neck until dead. Since I'm against the death penalty I'd settle for lifetime in prison.

If Rumsfeld had a shred of dignity he would commit suicide to spare his family further humiliation and shame.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:26 PM
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16. So one of the detainees was a Swedish citizen?
I would think that we'll be hearing more of this. God almighty - this administration needs to all be tried for war crimes! No one should be excused.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:33 PM
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18. His mother is a US citizen.
Edited on Mon May-31-04 03:35 PM by Eric J in MN
Saleh's mother is a US citizen.
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