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truhavoc Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:46 PM
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Yet another reason to vote for Kerry...
There is a flaw in the democratic process which I GREATLY fear if * is reelected. Bush has basically destroyed our stance in the international community, turned his back on a large section of the population, and so on and so forth....all when knowing that he will have to run for reelection on his record.

Imagine what chimpy would do if he does not have to answer to the people. With a republican controlled congress what is to stop them? It would give the administration a four year opportunity to screw up the world with basically NO accountability...however much accountability there may be on his actions now could be debated as well.

I just could not imagine what this guy could do in this situations with another four years!! Maybe that is what Kerry should run on with *'s low approval numbers. "Okay you don't like what he has done as president, and I know you don't care all that much for me, but just think how much worse things could be with another four years of this administration!"
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:49 PM
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1. The only reason I need to vote for Kerry is
Bush!
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:56 PM
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2. what kind of crap is this ??
"and I know you don't care all that much for me"

have I missed something here or is your point that the American people don't "care all that much" for Kerry ???

Kerry is running an excellent campaign and is earning the respect of the American people as they get to know him better ...

why would you make such a statement ??

as for bush getting another four years, it would be a tragedy of epic proportions ...
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truhavoc Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:01 PM
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6. Don't take the message out of context
I would make such a statement because it is the only reason why we would loose this election...quite frankly the average american does not care all the much for Kerry. There are polls all over the place stating just this, not just my opinion. How else can you explain the fact that Bush's disapproval numbers are in the 60% range, yet the race would be dead even if the election was today. I have great respect for the man, even though he was not my first choice.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:19 PM
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9. congratulations ...
you have been taken in by right wing talking points ... Kerry's popularity has been steadily increasing as voters get to know him ...

just who are these "average" Americans you're referring to when you state "quite frankly the average american does not care all the much for Kerry." ???

are they of average income, average intellect, average height or are they just average on the political spectrum ?? please show me the polls that surveyed only "average" Americans ...

rarely (if ever ??) has a challenger been this far ahead in the polls this early in the race ...

and by the way, the fact that I took an excerpt from your post does not necessarily mean that I took anything out of context ... what's more, you repeated the same thing in your last post ...

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truhavoc Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:33 PM
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10. focus
On who you should really spend your time debating, it isn't me.

Just as I cannot point out the average american who I said doesn't care for Kerry, you could not point out anything to the contrary. I have the approval/disapproval numbers on my side. If Kerry is so beloved by the population then why are his numbers EVEN with *? It means that people think, I don't like Bush - but I like Kerry LESS.

Draw what conclusions you will...
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:45 PM
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11. stiff and wooden
they kept repeating the mantra about Gore over and over and over and over ...

and now, the sales pitch is that Kerry is dull ... he lacks passion ... the Telegraph (conservative british paper) informs us that "Democrats" are worried about Kerry's "dry manner" ...

remember this, 6 months ago fewer than 10% of Democrats could even name a single Democrat running for office ... now, most polls show Kerry with a small lead ... I call that progress ... you look at the same polls and see the glass half empty ...

I certainly don't spend my time highlighting how Kerry is turning off the average American ... my debate is with those who do ...

and btw, the Republicans would love to change the debate to one that focusses on "likeability" rather than competence ... when you say that people think "I LIKE Kerry" less, you seem to be putting more emphasis on personal likeability ("chris matthews: who would you rather go to a BBQ with?") than on which candidate people want as their President ...

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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:03 AM
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18. Actually, some of us on DU don't care much for him.
He certainly was not my first choice: 19 years working the system, filthy rich, voted for the invasion, currently moving to the right in order to consolidate votes (for example, saying he's willing to appoint pro-"life" judges). Sorry, but Kerry is not what I was looking for.

The only reason I will vote for him is to slow down the rape juggernaut. And that's about all it will do--slow it down--if we don't get the Senate back as well.

I'm a pragmatist. I realized early on that Dean and Kucinich could never become president. I understand that we need a candidate who is more political and less strident. But that doesn't mean that I like the situation--or that I have to. I simply accept it. And once Kerry does take the office, IMO that'll be the time to start promoting a true Progressive candidate for 2008. If nothing else, such a movement might help remind Kerry of who put him there.
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:40 AM
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22. Kerry is progressive
But he needs to keep his progressive ideas quiet until he's elected.
We all know that if he were to voice his true opinions, he would sink like a rock.

I say, let him pander to the moderates, he'll lean back to the left after the election is won.

Look at his vote record, it screams "progressive".

It's kinda like a job interview. You say what the interviewer wants to hear, but when hired, you do the job your way.

When your ideas work for the better, your new boss tells you how great it is to have someone in their company who has innovative ideas.

Same thing here.
When Kerry brings his progressive agenda to the table, it will change America for the better.

Be patient, Kerry really is a liberal. He WILL change the tone in Washington. He WILL use diplomacy, and that will bring our allies back into the fold.

The good-ole-boy network of the existing squatters in the WH WILL end.




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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:23 AM
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23. I wish I could believe that, especially
your last sentence. While the current WH squatters hopefully will be evicted this November, I'm not at all convinced that, overall, things will change.

Kerry is not different enough to make major changes. I'll be temporarily satisfied if he can at least save the Supreme Court, defend women's and workers' rights, and repeal welfare for the rich.

I just don't think we'll see a truly progressive schedule come out of his presidency. Not only is he not the man to provide one, but I honestly don't believe Americans are ready for it.
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Proud 2B A Peacenik Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:57 PM
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3. Bush-Cheney: "Four More Wars" n/t
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:58 PM
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4. I just think of 3 or 4 more Scalia clones on the Supreme Court.
No matter what we do electorally we'd be stuck with them for decades. :scared:
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:06 AM
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19. Absolutely.
That is my primary concern--just as it was in 2000. We've seen what kind of judges * is pushing for, and another traitor on the bench will seal this country's dissolution once and for all. Democracy will be a thing of the past (if it isn't already).
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:58 PM
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5. So very true. I ponder Bush without having to take into consideration
*getting re-Selected, and shudder to think ...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:06 PM
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7. and the really sH*ttY thing
he has F* ed things up ssssoooooooo much. that is what i sit in amazement that in a mere 4 years he was able to do so much damage. i have heard two reugs, one dole, both not liking what bush has done, still backing the repug party saying give them four more years with all the power to show us they can do it. wrong answer.......fire their ass for incompetence
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:13 PM
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8. Indeed!
I wasn't much for Kerry at first; he isn't my first choice but he get's my vote no matter what because Heir Bushler needs to go. Go before he kills us all.

I just wish voting day was tomorrow.

Peace
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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:46 PM
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12. I would like to add a second to your wish for voting tomorrow.
:)
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:41 PM
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13. I too feel the need....
to close-ranks with Kerry and I shall...(at least by November)....I just wish Kerry felt the need to close-ranks with people like me....

Yes, I know he's appealing to the 'liberally gun-shy' independants and disgruntled Republicans.....but like the Democratic Black vote, as a liberal, I'm beginning to feel I'm being taken for granted....

And when Kerry comes to power on a moderate-pleasing Republican-lite platform, what will his mandate be?....to fight wars better, and smarter than Bush?....do you really believe National Healthcare is in our near future?....

You're right, Bush and the Repubs will definately screw us and our world super-big-time if given four more years....but the question should also be 'not how much Bush will screw up the world' but 'how much good will Kerry actually do us'......
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:47 AM
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14. Watch the videos on Kerry's site
Go to johkerry.com and watch the interviews and other videos of the candidate. You will find that he is personable and approachable and genuine. Hopefully the media will begin to interview him more now that 60% of the citizens are looking for an alternative to * (and turning away from traditional media to get answers). Dana ; )
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:59 AM
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15. Sorry i have watched him plenty
and I find him to be full of crap!

but bush sucks horribly so this joke gets my vote. Oh how I wish it wasnt so neccesary to get bush out.
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fsbooks Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:43 AM
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16. We vote for the people associated with Kerry
Kerry will bring in people who will have an entirely different attitude towards government. There will be a dialogue of ideas. I feel I will again beable to be a part of the dialogue. Currently my beliefs are excluded.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:56 AM
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17. "Currently my beliefs are excluded"
I don't think it will be any different under a new administration.
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fsbooks Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:18 AM
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20. How about Zack Exley for the FCC.
Well, maybe he won't get there (or want to), but Kerry would be more likely to appoint him than powell spawn.

http://www.detnews.com/2004/technology/0405/31/technology-168295.htm
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amjsjc Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:46 AM
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21. At this point there's going to be a 'D' behind his name on a ballot...
That's the only thing that matters
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