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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:35 PM
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Crossfire just called the WH on the "rain" and bike spill
Begala cited Kos and showed no rain in Texas

priceless hehehe
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:37 PM
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1. All right! Now let's ask the obvious - why did they lie?
Was he on a bicycle at all?
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:38 PM
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3. You have to wonder
because if he did fall off the bike, why lie and say it was because of the rain-soaked soil? Just tell the truth.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:39 PM
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7. Because They Lie About Everything
More likely, he WAS on a bike. He was hammered. He took a spill. They couldn't exactly tell that truth, now could they?
The Professor
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:45 PM
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18. True
but they could just say he fell without giving false details. But prevaricating is an art form for them.
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Arbustosux Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #18
68. its the old slippery slope
once you start lying, you can't stop
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:20 PM
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49. Pathological lier's lie because they need to.
It's sort of like breathing for the rest of us.

RC
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #49
56. Some lie for sport .... ( like my ex...)
really ...
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:02 PM
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70. It's simple: he'd said that the Iraqis were ready to ...
take off the training wheels; and he didn't want them to be ahead of him.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:23 PM
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94. Habit
They can't stop themsleves whether its a big lie like Saddam has WMDs and is in cahoots with bin Laden to little ones like "did I just see Air Force One?" they just do it out of second nature. Spin, lie, spin, lie spin, spin spin, lie, lie, lie.
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Lou_C Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:35 AM
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109. He got his ass kicked
I still stand by my point of view and I think that he got his ass kicked for the WMD War in Iraq.

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alvis Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:37 PM
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2. Rainfall totals from previous 8 days got a laugh from the audience n/t
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:38 PM
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4. Sweet revenge for Al Gore.
They should give Bush shit for this just like they gave Gore shit for the "internet" thing and the "Love Story" thing.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:50 PM
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24. You sound like you think the republican owned corporate media is fair?
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:51 PM
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26. What?
Edited on Tue May-25-04 04:00 PM by skypilot
Either you misunderstood my post or I'm misunderstanding yours.

On edit: Never mind. It was me. :dunce:
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:39 PM
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5. HA!
Last night Jimmy Kimmel read the weather reports from Crawford starting with May 12......no rain......while I'm not much of a Jimmy fan he seems to delight in skewering the Shrub.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:39 PM
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6. Wasn't that great?
When the chart came up onscreen, the audience burst out laughing.

Tucker seriously need to up the dosage today. He's totally unspooled.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:41 PM
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11. He totally lost it. Flipped his lid.
And I think he scared the studio audience. I've never seen that before from him. I guess the wheels really are coming off BushCo. Hehehehehehe!
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:39 PM
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8. Tucker's going nuts !
I've nevver seen him so bent. Instead of answering the charges, he's feigning outrage, and YELLING at Begala about the rain, and how this will sway the election to Kerry.

Tucker has been doing this more and more.

When he's beate, he starts ranting like a nut.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:41 PM
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12. Did Tucker, the baby, ever eat a shoe?
Didn't think so.....

Another reason I'm glad I stopped watching CNN.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:42 PM
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13. when was he supposed to eat a shoe? eom
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:46 PM
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20. Carlson said that if Hilary sold 1million copies of her book
he'd eat his shoe.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:48 PM
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22. He promised to eat his shoe if Hillary's book sold a million copies
He ended up eating a shoe cake that Hillary presented him on "Crossfire."
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:21 PM
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75. Except that he compared her to Pol Pot right after that. n/t
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MadashellLynn Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:48 PM
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23. Tucker said he would eat a shoe if Hillary's book sold a million (?)
the book sold a million and she came on crossfire and handed him a big chocolate shoe and it kind of changed his mind about her a little.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #23
44. and it was a right wingtip chocolate shoe cake...gotta love hillary
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:24 PM
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76. And to think...
I sent in an old, stinky shoe for the collection of shoes that an activist group was going to deliver to him. :( I wasted a perfectly good, filthy, dirty, stinky shoe. :cry:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:46 PM
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19. Hillary let him off the hook. She cam on the show with a cake
shaped like a shoe.....a hightop brown boot.....but it was cake with chocolate icing.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:52 PM
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28. No, no! It was a right-wing tip shoe!
:evilgrin:
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #12
86. dupe.
Edited on Tue May-25-04 08:40 PM by progressivebebe
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Cursive_Knives512 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:52 PM
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27. Thank you -eom-
nt
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 06:09 PM
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81. Tucker was SHREIKING
His voice was as high as a pre-pubescent girl's. He sounded like my daughter when she sees a spider.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:39 PM
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9. Bowtie Boy Tucker got beside himself about it and hasn't yet recovered.
What a whiner.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:40 PM
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10. Yeah and all little bow tie boy can do is try to yell over Begala
--carlson is a real piece of shit
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:42 PM
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14. Fucker Tucker...
...and the bow-tie he rode in on.

I think this is great news. No doubt, all joking aside about it, Bush was intoxicated. There really would be no other reason to lie.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:53 PM
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29. I am inclined toward
the seizure theory myself. I think he did not fess up to his condition. I think he experiences temporary seizure (petite Mal) perhaps due to his cocaine and alcohol abuse and that is when he realized that life for him had to change. I think the two bruises that he has had were probably due to this condition. They do not represent incapacitation but hiding them from the public represents lying about a personal matter sort of like a blow job.
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:58 PM
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33. Actually, it's worse...
Edited on Tue May-25-04 03:59 PM by FleshCartoon
...a blow-job doesn't leave lasting neurological damage, as far as I know. Heh.

If it were proven he's neurologically impaired, wouldn't there be some sort of clause about him withholding pertinent medical information from the populace that we could take issue with? Cheney had to get a clean bill of health before he could be considered the Veep candidate, didn't he?



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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:05 PM
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39. this calls for much, much medical testing
"..a blow-job doesn't leave lasting neurological damage, as far as I know."

this calls for lengthly medical testing, the future of our youth depends on it!!
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:07 PM
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41. It does if it's done right...
"..a blow-job doesn't leave lasting neurological damage, as far as I know."

SOMEONE had to say it! :evilgrin:
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #41
66. ***snarf***
Richardo, you're a funny guy! :O
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Arbustosux Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #39
71. I am willing to volunteer for that medical testing
to be a recipient, of course :)
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:07 PM
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42. yes I agree
this is a serious secret that has implications about his future capacity. I think this is another smoking gun the people need to smell out. I don't care who the individual is or what party they represent the truth is needed here and the people then have a right to decide upon his future prospects.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:11 PM
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43. Interesting that "The West Wing" did a story line that's somewhat relevant
Where President Bartlet voluntarily temporarily stepped aside and gave up as duties as President because of his incapacity (due to MS)

You could argue that if there's even a shred of evidence about Bush having seizures, that the subject of incapacity might be brought up.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:14 PM
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46. exactly
and it would be an opportune time to let the sucker go in order to be with his family.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #43
85. He is incapacitated *without* seizures!
heehee...
:kick:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:36 AM
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102. No he stepped aside because his daughter had been kidnapped
It is true that he suffers from MS he never stepped aside because of it. He was censored by Congress over it but always stayed in office. It was when his daughter was kidnapped that he voluntarily gave up the office until she was safe.
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Unperson 309 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:30 PM
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95. A BJ Doesn't Leave Lasting Neurological Damage?

Heh... if it's DONE right............

*sigh*... I guess I'm just *spoiled*!!

309

Drooling all the way to the bedroom.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:40 PM
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53. That explains the need for the mouthguard, too.
And the pretzel incident. And the 2 pills/day. I think there are legitimate stories about Bush having a small seizure. And then there was the "talking in tongues" episode.

Perhaps the jogging was also a problem that triggered seizures.

If this is the case (and I'm not familiar with bikers using a mouthguard, I don't use one), then perhaps this is a serious medical condition that the American people needs to know about.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #29
90. All seizures are "temporary"
Edited on Tue May-25-04 09:02 PM by loyalsister
petit mal literally means "not very bad" or minor seizure. It used to be a clinical term used for seizures where a person did not experience major convulsions. Now such seizures might be called partial complex or something. While what used to be called "grand mal" is now called tonic clonic.
I think he experiences temporary seizure (petite Mal) perhaps due to his cocaine and alcohol abuse and that is when he realized that life for him had to change.
The seizure theory is very disparaging to those who have Epilepsy. When people here start talking about it they make it abundently clear that they are not the least bit familiar. Seizure disorders can arise from head injuries or can have idiopathic neurological origin. I have been dealing with this for a long time, and know of noone who has a seizure disorder as a result of substance abuse. If you want anyone to believe this actually happens please show some documentation.
I don't by the Korsakov's syndrom. It takes massive energy and effort to be a high functioing alcoholic, which is exactly what Bush would have had to have been these past 4 years if he had Korsakov's.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #29
119. Yep...me too!
Hi,

I'm part of the seizure theory group also. I think he may be epileptic....they should just admit it.

ADMIT IT!!! Ha! What was I THINKING.....okay everyone just get in line and stop thinking.

Cheers,
Kim
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:42 PM
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16. That's a hoot!
Wish I could see it.

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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:43 PM
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17. To paraphrase Terminator II (?)
Of course they LIE. That's what they DO. That's ALL they do.

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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:46 PM
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21. Tucker just called the French "Frogs"
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. dehumanize people. That always works out well </sarcasm> nt
nt
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:52 PM
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64. Nope ...

Tucker has it wrong.

The Frog is Jesse Ventura. Despite is constant claims of being a Seal. He's still ... JUST A FROG!!!!!!

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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:51 PM
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25. I just sent this email to Crossfire >
Tucker's outburst in response to Paul's valid point about the Bush admin lying regarding rain causing Bush's bike fall was entirely inappropriate and unprofessional, and such outbursts are becoming more and more common from him.

When he can't argue a valid and true criticism of his hero Bush, or his policies, he results to ranting and raving like a petulant schoolboy.

His actions today were an embarrassment to himself and CNN.


----------

Maybe they'll read it on the air !

--------

I watch Crossfire almost every day.

I have NEVER seen anyone attack Novakula about outing Plame.

Have you ?

Is this not allowed ?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #25
34. "an embarrassment to CNN" ???
is that possible?

an embarrassment to an embarrassment?
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Sure, Carville, Begala, and even Dobbs are all top-rate
I love seeing Lou Dobbs, not cave in to the faux-conservatives, and attack the pukes on deficits, and moving jobs offshore.


Sometimes a true conservative is the faux-conservatives best foil.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:04 PM
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37. I just sent one too
Why was Tucker Carlson ranting and raving at Mr. Begala for pointing out the White House's lie. First thing I did when hearing this ludicrous story was to check the Weather Channel's web site for rain totals for Crawford, Texas for the past week. Instead of being outraged at Mr. Begala for telling the truth, perhaps Mr. Carlson should demand to know why this administration feels the need to lie to the American public about everything.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:57 PM
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31. What's up with the "mouth guard"?
I've never in my life heard of anybody riding a bike with a mouth guard. What the hell is that?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #31
38. And why didn't it protect his mouth?
And how many people do you know, you are supposedly in top physical condition need a 24 hour MD?

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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. President always has
Presidents always have a doctor there, 24-7. I don't know when it started, but it was decades ago at least.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:29 PM
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50. Decades ago?
Edited on Tue May-25-04 04:29 PM by DoYouEverWonder
You may be right but I don't recall any MD's around when Kennedy got shot, or even when Reagan got shot? And somehow, I can't imagine Clinton wanting or needing an MD 24/7? There was no mention of an MD being with Clinton when he fell down the stairs at that golfer's house and ripped out his knee?

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #50
92. Kennedy's doctor was in Dallas
but was in a car at the back end of the motorcade - not that it would have done any good to be closer.

I used to work with a guy whose wife was a nurse at the VA hospital here. Whenever the president (at the time it was Carter and Reagan) is in town, VA had an area on standby as did every hospital along the president's itinerary. I saw Carter when he was in Minneapolis once and there was a paramedic ambulance parked on a blocked off street, motor running. The medics were standing outside it. I learned from a friend at Hennepin County Medical that it was there "just in case". As the hospital closest to where the president was speaking they also had an area in their ER reserved.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:23 PM
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93. But in all those examples
Edited on Tue May-25-04 09:23 PM by DoYouEverWonder
the President was in a vulnerable situation because they were in public. W was relaxing in the secure confines of his own ranch.

However, you mentioned Kennedy, and I do remember that he probably did have a staff MD, because he had some pretty major health problems.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 06:57 AM
Response to Reply #93
100. Kennedy had Addison's Disease...
which is a pretty serious endocrine problem. I can understand why he might have had a doctor around when he was out and about.

But Bush is supposedly in 100% top shape--a real athlete, they say. Never mind that by just looking at him you can see that's laughable, but why would he need a physician following him around 24/7?

My theory: Either a seizure disorder or intractable alcoholism.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:45 PM
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58. Makes sense, if he's prone to seisures.
I wonder if that little fact was a slip of the tongue, so to speak?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. I wonder if he has to wear one
when he sleeps?

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Unperson 309 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #62
96. You asked...

"I wonder if he has to wear one while he is asleep."

Absolutely! He wears a private physician at all times!

:evilgrin:

309

Sorry, couldn't resist!

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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:33 AM
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99. If only...
...he'd had a mouthguard in from day one of his presidency, we might not be in some of this crap we're in.

It's too late now, he might as well stop wearing it.
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Lou_C Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:08 PM
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112. It don't make sense
You wear a mouth guard when you are going to wrestle but not while riding a bike.

He got his ass kicked and i am sticking by that.
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #112
115. well...most dentists recommend mouthguards while biking...
especially mountain biking. Though no one really uses them
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:57 PM
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32. Jerry just slammed the GOP
said that the Dems try to represent the entire country, but if you look at the GOP Conventions, everyone there looks the same, (ie: white men / people)
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:03 PM
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36. They lie becuase they wanted a "reason" that he fell.
It couldn't have been his own mistake. Kerry fell in loose sand so Bush fell because of loose topsoil from rain fall.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:13 PM
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45. That was great and poor Tucker didn't know what to say!
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:14 PM
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47. What was he doing on a bike?
He's a manly man. He's supposed to be clearing brush.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. I don't get it. First the freaking Sedgway "accident" and now THIS?
What is it with him?
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. I'm sad I missed it
Edited on Tue May-25-04 04:40 PM by DaveSZ
I can vouch for what Begala said though.

I live relatively near *'s ranch, and we have not had rain in a long time.

My guess is he's been drinking again, and fell on his face.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #48
55. please.... this is a man KO'd by a PRETZEL!

as was said elsewhere...

how many times in the last 3 YEARS have you fallen and torn up your face?

domestic violence is a whole lot more believable than 'loose topsoil' and a terrorist pretzel-related-program-activity
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Interesting question. Because the last time I fell down and hurt myself...
Edited on Tue May-25-04 04:46 PM by terrya
I was plastered. Stumbling, drunk. :-)
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:58 PM
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67. Face-plant

It's not unusual on a bike. If it WAS on a bike, I would guess that he probably locked up his front brake and went over the handlebars. Maybe he was dodging an armidillo !?!?!??!?!?!

But I don't think he was bike riding. The reason for me is that he has scrapes on his right palm. You ALWAYS wear gloves when you ride. Yes, there are dufus brains out there who ride without ANY protective gear. But they don't have a staff of 14 people protecting their personal well being. You're telling me that no one bothered to get the President a pair of GLOVES to ride with??????

Personally, I think he just got shit faced and fell down.

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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #67
72. "Maybe he was dodging an armidillo !?!?!??!?!?!"
OR...

Laura

in the Drawing Room

with an encyclopedia
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #72
91. Professor Plum in the library with a candlestick!
Edited on Tue May-25-04 09:19 PM by mike1963
:evilgrin:
edit for oopsy typo
;-)
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:37 PM
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51. He's afraid of horses.
seriously
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. Good thing ... animals know ....
seriously ... they know when somebody 'ain't right', they can smell it ....
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Valkyrie55 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:44 PM
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57. Maybe there's something else they are covering up
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greenroads Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:48 PM
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60. Bush has Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome from Alcoholism
http://www.mykeru.com/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=41e6d8fa2dd... ;act=ST;f=9;t=208;r=1

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=alcoh...

Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome Disease
http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000771.cfm

http://www.google.com/search?q=korsakoff+syndrome&sourc...

Because of his 25+ years of alcoholism, Bush has Korsakoff syndrome. No kidding. He is a CLASSIC case study.

Read this. You will fall off your chairs when you read about "confabulations" (fabrications), seizures and short term memory problems.

Particularly notice that sunlight coming through trees can bring on a seizure.

You will find this all enlightening.
_____________
Brain disorders due to substance abuse


Alcohol abuse leads to problems with visual and spatial processing, learning and memory (such as seen with Korsakoff's syndrome), and executive functions. ( Chief Executive functions ?)

The damage is normally the most extensive in sub-cortical structures and in the frontal
lobes.


Marijuana use leads to problems with attention, short term memory, and motor control.

Cocaine use leads to problems that are similar to those associated with alcoholism. It is not clear if these effects from drug abuse are permanent or if they can improve with following sustained abstinence.

Duration of abuse is definitely an important factor. Some problems, such as Korsakoff's
syndrome, are definitely permanent. -- 25 years+ in Bush's case with cocaine and alcoholism..
_

Korsakoff's syndrome

Definition

Korsakoff's syndrome is a memory disorder which is caused by a deficiency of vitamin B1, also called thiamine.

Description

In the United States, the most common cause of thiamine deficiency is alcoholism. Other conditions which cause thiamine deficiency occur quite rarely, but can be seen in patients undergoing dialysis (a procedure used primarily for patients suffering from kidney failure, during which the patient's blood circulates outside of the body, is mechanically cleansed, and then is circulated back into the body), pregnant women with a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum (a condition of extreme morning sickness, during which the woman vomits up nearly all fluid and food intake), and patients after surgery who are given vitamin-free fluids for a prolonged period of time. Thiamine deficiency is an important cause of disability in developing countries where the main source of food is polished rice (rice with the more nutritious outer husk removed).

An associated disorder, Wernicke's syndrome, often precedes Korsakoff's syndrome. In fact, they so often occur together that the spectrum of symptoms produced during the course of the two diseases is frequently referred to as Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome. The main symptoms of Wernicke's syndrome include ataxia (difficulty in walking and maintaining balance), paralysis of some of the muscles responsible for movement of the eyes, and confusion. Untreated Wernicke's will lead to coma and then death.

Causes

One of the main reasons that alcoholism leads to thiamine deficiency has to do with the high-calorie nature of
alcohol. A person with a large alcohol intake often, in essence, substitutes alcohol for other, more nutritive calorie sources. Food intake drops off considerably, and multiple vitamin deficiencies develop. Furthermore, it is believed that alcohol increases the body's requirements for B vitamins, at the same time interfering with the absorption of thiamine from the intestine and impairing the body's ability to store and use thiamine. Direct neurotoxic (poisonous damage to the nerves) effects of alcohol may also play some role.

Thiamine is involved in a variety of reactions which provide energy to the neurons (nerve cells) of the brain. When thiamine is unavailable, these reactions cannot be carried out, and the important end- products of the reactions are not produced. Furthermore, certain other substances begin to accumulate, and are thought to cause damage to the vulnerable neurons. The area of the brain believed to be responsible for the symptoms of Korsakoff's syndrome is called the diencephalon, specifically the structures called the mamillary bodies and the thalamus.

Symptoms

An individual with Korsakoff's syndrome displays much difficulty with memory. The main area of memory affected is
the ability to learn new information. Usually, intelligence and memory for past events is relatively unaffected, so that an individual may remember what occurred 20 years previously, but is unable to remember what occurred 20 minutes ago. This memory defect is referred to as anterograde amnesia, and leads to a peculiar symptom called "confabulation," in which a person suffering from Korsakoff's fills in the gaps in his or her memory with fabricated or imagined information. For instance, a person may insist that a doctor to whom he or she has just been introduced is actually an old high school classmate, and may have a lengthy story to back this up. When asked, as part of a memory test, to remember the name of three objects which the examiner listed ten minutes earlier, a person with Korsakoff's may list three entirely different objects and be completely convincing in his or her certainty. In fact, one of the hallmarks of Korsakoff's is the person's complete unawareness of the memory defect, and complete lack of worry or concern when it is pointed out.

Diagnosis

Whenever someone has a possible diagnosis of alcoholism, and then has the sudden onset of memory difficulties, it
is important to seriously consider the diagnosis of Korsakoff's syndrome. While there is no specific laboratory test to diagnose Korsakoff's syndrome in a patient, a careful exam of the individual's mental state should be rather revealing. Although the patient's ability to confabulate answers may be convincing, checking the patient's retention of factual information (asking, for example, for the name of the current president of the United States), along with the patient's ability to learn new information (repeating a series of numbers, or recalling the names of three objects ten minutes after having been asked to memorize them) should point to the diagnosis. Certainly a patient known to have just begun recovery from Wernicke's syndrome, who then begins displaying memory difficulties, would be very likely to have developed Korsakoff's syndrome. A physical examination may also show signs of Wernicke's syndrome, such as peripheral neuropathy.

Treatment

Treatment of both Korsakoff's and Wernicke's syndromes involves the immediate administration of thiamine. In fact,
any individual who is hospitalized for any reason and who is suspected of being an alcoholic, should receive thiamine. The combined Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome has actually been precipitated in alcoholic patients hospitalized for other medical illnesses, due to the administration of thiamine-free intravenous fluids (intravenous fluids are those fluids containing vital sugars and salts which are given to the patient through a needle inserted in a vein). Also, the vitamin therapy may be impaired by the feeding of carbohydrates prior to the giving of thiamine; since carbohydrates cannot be metabolized with thiamine.

Prognosis

Fifteen to twenty percent of all patients hospitalized for Wernicke's syndrome will die of the disorder. Although the
degree of ataxia nearly always improves with treatment, half of those who survive will continue to have some permanent difficulty walking. The paralysis of the eye muscles almost always resolves completely with thiamine treatment. Recovery from Wernicke's begins to occur rapidly after thiamine is given. Improvement in the symptoms of Korsakoff's syndrome, however, can take months and months of thiamine replacement. Furthermore, patients who develop Korsakoff's syndrome are almost universally memory-impaired for the rest of their lives. Even with thiamine treatment, the memory deficits tend to be irreversible, with less than 20% of patients even approaching recovery. The development of Korsakoff's syndrome often results in an individual requiring a supervised living situation. ( Like the Presidency ?)
----------
PETITE MAL SEIZURES -- This type of seizure is comparatively mild; it is characterized by brief impairment of consciousness, and is occasionally accompanied by loss of motor control. Epileptic Convulsions. Epilepsy is a disorder of the nervous system. Epileptics are subject to sporadic attacks of unconsciousness. A petite mal seizure may last for only a second and may not even be noticed. Seizures are particularly common among indigent persons, alcoholics, and others who have not had medical attention.
The different forms of epilepsy reveal themselves through characteristic seizure patterns. Petit mal usually involves a blank stare, rapid blinking of the eyes, incontinence, and stumbling. It lasts from 5 to 25 seconds.

B. Other causes of dementia are 2. Alcoholism
V. A seizure is defined as a sudden, disorderly discharge of cerebral neurons that results in both an alteration of brain function and of consciousness (Hughlings Jackson)

A. Etiology of seizure disorders includes

1. Cerebral lesion: tumors, congenital malformations, infections, vascular diseases

2. Biochemical disorders: drug/alcohol addiction, hypoglycemia, hypocalcemia
Symptomatic hypocalcaemia frequently occurs in patients with magnesium depletion due to chronic alcoholism (5).

3. Cerebral trauma: injury both past and present including neurosurgery

4. Epilepsy: a chronic disorder with no underlying cause; this is the strict definition of epilepsy, however it is often use interchangeably with seizure disorder

B. Seizure activity can be precipitated by a variety of factors

1. Blinking lights or by the sunlight passing through trees while driving

2. Fatigue

3. Fever

4. Infections

5. Hypoglycemia

6. Odors
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. Remarkable. Mind if I forward this to a friend of mine knowledgable about.
treatment of alcoholism>

:-)

Terry
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:50 PM
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61. no adults i know fall this much
this doesn't pass the smell test. as usual, there is something stinky going on.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. http://www.dailykos.com/main/2
White House spokesman Trent Duffy:


"It's been raining a lot and the topsoil is loose," Duffy said. "You know this president. He likes to go all-out. Suffice it to say he wasn't whistling show tunes."



So it's been raining a lot in Crawford, we are told. So here's the recent precipitation levels from Crawford:

May 22: 0"
May 21: 0"
May 20: 0"
May 19: 0"
May 18: 0"
May 17: 0"
May 16: 0"
May 15: 0"
May 14: 0.03"
May 13: 2.79"
May 12: 0"
May 11: 0.15"
May 10: 0"
May 9: 0"


May 13th saw some serious rain, but other than some sprinkles on the 14th, Crawford saw nothing but sun. In the last week alone, the temperature was in the high 80s the entire time.
So rain on the 13th and (barely) 14th was blamed for a Bush fall on the 22nd. As everything else, it wasn't Bush's fault. Nothing is Bush's fault.

Ever.

Liars.

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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #61
97. Then you obviously don't know me.
Actually, I don't fall down but I am always bumping into something. I have sat at the same desk for 5 years and I slam my knees into a drawer 3 or more times a week. I'm a Klassic Klutz, he could be too. Oh, I hate myself, I just made an excuse for the unexcusable.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:01 PM
Response to Original message
69. and pbs is giving tucker his own show
tucker carlson: unfiltered

starts in june

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scrotim Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #69
103. this constant failing upwards of the worst media whores
is what disturbs me most about american news business.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:11 PM
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73. You commoners! W has his own personal weather sillies!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #73
82. He's living in his own Private Idaho
now that explains it all. Thanks!
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:17 PM
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74. Where did the extra boo-boo on his face come from last night?
Look at him giving a speech- the whatever-it-is above his eyebrow was not there on pics of the faux bike spill.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. I noticed that also.
Wonder what the heck is going on?
Yesterday:

Today:


Now that I take a second look there is no difference at all.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:37 PM
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78. Pictures released of just before the accident!


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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:42 PM
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79. I know what kind of Rain they had in Crawford
Rain Vodka.

http://www.rainvodka.com/splash.html



A couple of inches of that kind of Rain will surely loosen your topsoil a wee bit!!!

:evilgrin:

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greenroads Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:47 PM
Response to Original message
80. Bush has Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome from Alcoholism
Subject: Bush has Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome from Alcoholism
Message:
http://www.mykeru.com/forum / ikonboard.cgi?s=41e6d8fa2dd81dd75cdb5b8f5b... ;act=ST;f=9;t=208;r=1

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF - 8&q=alcoholism+Wernicke-...

Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome Disease
http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000771.cfm

http://www.google.com / search?q=korsakoff+syndrome&sourceid=opera&num=0...

Because of his 25+ years of alcoholism, Bush has Korsakoff syndrome. No kidding. He is a CLASSIC case study.

Read this. You will fall off your chairs when you read about "confabulations" (fabrications), seizures and short term memory problems.

Particularly notice that sunlight coming through trees can bring on a seizure.

You will find this all enlightening.
_____________
Brain disorders due to substance abuse


Alcohol abuse leads to problems with visual and spatial processing, learning and memory (such as seen with Korsakoff's syndrome), and executive functions. ( Chief Executive functions ?)

The damage is normally the most extensive in sub-cortical structures and in the frontal
lobes.


Marijuana use leads to problems with attention, short term memory, and motor control.

Cocaine use leads to problems that are similar to those associated with alcoholism. It is not clear if these effects from drug abuse are permanent or if they can improve with following sustained abstinence.

Duration of abuse is definitely an important factor. Some problems, such as Korsakoff's
syndrome, are definitely permanent. -- 25 years+ in Bush's case with cocaine and alcoholism..
_

Korsakoff's syndrome

Definition

Korsakoff's syndrome is a memory disorder which is caused by a deficiency of vitamin B1, also called thiamine.

Description

In the United States, the most common cause of thiamine deficiency is alcoholism. Other conditions which cause thiamine deficiency occur quite rarely, but can be seen in patients undergoing dialysis (a procedure used primarily for patients suffering from kidney failure, during which the patient's blood circulates outside of the body, is mechanically cleansed, and then is circulated back into the body), pregnant women with a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum (a condition of extreme morning sickness, during which the woman vomits up nearly all fluid and food intake), and patients after surgery who are given vitamin-free fluids for a prolonged period of time. Thiamine deficiency is an important cause of disability in developing countries where the main source of food is polished rice (rice with the more nutritious outer husk removed).

An associated disorder, Wernicke's syndrome, often precedes Korsakoff's syndrome. In fact, they so often occur together that the spectrum of symptoms produced during the course of the two diseases is frequently referred to as Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome. The main symptoms of Wernicke's syndrome include ataxia (difficulty in walking and maintaining balance), paralysis of some of the muscles responsible for movement of the eyes, and confusion. Untreated Wernicke's will lead to coma and then death.

Causes

One of the main reasons that alcoholism leads to thiamine deficiency has to do with the high-calorie nature of
alcohol. A person with a large alcohol intake often, in essence, substitutes alcohol for other, more nutritive calorie sources. Food intake drops off considerably, and multiple vitamin deficiencies develop. Furthermore, it is believed that alcohol increases the body's requirements for B vitamins, at the same time interfering with the absorption of thiamine from the intestine and impairing the body's ability to store and use thiamine. Direct neurotoxic (poisonous damage to the nerves) effects of alcohol may also play some role.

Thiamine is involved in a variety of reactions which provide energy to the neurons (nerve cells) of the brain. When thiamine is unavailable, these reactions cannot be carried out, and the important end- products of the reactions are not produced. Furthermore, certain other substances begin to accumulate, and are thought to cause damage to the vulnerable neurons. The area of the brain believed to be responsible for the symptoms of Korsakoff's syndrome is called the diencephalon, specifically the structures called the mamillary bodies and the thalamus.

Symptoms

An individual with Korsakoff's syndrome displays much difficulty with memory. The main area of memory affected is
the ability to learn new information. Usually, intelligence and memory for past events is relatively unaffected, so that an individual may remember what occurred 20 years previously, but is unable to remember what occurred 20 minutes ago. This memory defect is referred to as anterograde amnesia, and leads to a peculiar symptom called "confabulation," in which a person suffering from Korsakoff's fills in the gaps in his or her memory with fabricated or imagined information. For instance, a person may insist that a doctor to whom he or she has just been introduced is actually an old high school classmate, and may have a lengthy story to back this up. When asked, as part of a memory test, to remember the name of three objects which the examiner listed ten minutes earlier, a person with Korsakoff's may list three entirely different objects and be completely convincing in his or her certainty. In fact, one of the hallmarks of Korsakoff's is the person's complete unawareness of the memory defect, and complete lack of worry or concern when it is pointed out.

Diagnosis

Whenever someone has a possible diagnosis of alcoholism, and then has the sudden onset of memory difficulties, it
is important to seriously consider the diagnosis of Korsakoff's syndrome. While there is no specific laboratory test to diagnose Korsakoff's syndrome in a patient, a careful exam of the individual's mental state should be rather revealing. Although the patient's ability to confabulate answers may be convincing, checking the patient's retention of factual information (asking, for example, for the name of the current president of the United States), along with the patient's ability to learn new information (repeating a series of numbers, or recalling the names of three objects ten minutes after having been asked to memorize them) should point to the diagnosis. Certainly a patient known to have just begun recovery from Wernicke's syndrome, who then begins displaying memory difficulties, would be very likely to have developed Korsakoff's syndrome. A physical examination may also show signs of Wernicke's syndrome, such as peripheral neuropathy.

Treatment

Treatment of both Korsakoff's and Wernicke's syndromes involves the immediate administration of thiamine. In fact,
any individual who is hospitalized for any reason and who is suspected of being an alcoholic, should receive thiamine. The combined Wernicke- Korsakoff syndrome has actually been precipitated in alcoholic patients hospitalized for other medical illnesses, due to the administration of thiamine-free intravenous fluids (intravenous fluids are those fluids containing vital sugars and salts which are given to the patient through a needle inserted in a vein). Also, the vitamin therapy may be impaired by the feeding of carbohydrates prior to the giving of thiamine; since carbohydrates cannot be metabolized with thiamine.

Prognosis

Fifteen to twenty percent of all patients hospitalized for Wernicke's syndrome will die of the disorder. Although the
degree of ataxia nearly always improves with treatment, half of those who survive will continue to have some permanent difficulty walking. The paralysis of the eye muscles almost always resolves completely with thiamine treatment. Recovery from Wernicke's begins to occur rapidly after thiamine is given. Improvement in the symptoms of Korsakoff's syndrome, however, can take months and months of thiamine replacement. Furthermore, patients who develop Korsakoff's syndrome are almost universally memory-impaired for the rest of their lives. Even with thiamine treatment, the memory deficits tend to be irreversible, with less than 20% of patients even approaching recovery. The development of Korsakoff's syndrome often results in an individual requiring a supervised living situation. ( Like the Presidency ?)
----------
PETITE MAL SEIZURES -- This type of seizure is comparatively mild; it is characterized by brief impairment of consciousness, and is occasionally accompanied by loss of motor control. Epileptic Convulsions. Epilepsy is a disorder of the nervous system. Epileptics are subject to sporadic attacks of unconsciousness. A petite mal seizure may last for only a second and may not even be noticed. Seizures are particularly common among indigent persons, alcoholics, and others who have not had medical attention.
The different forms of epilepsy reveal themselves through characteristic seizure patterns. Petit mal usually involves a blank stare, rapid blinking of the eyes, incontinence, and stumbling. It lasts from 5 to 25 seconds.

B. Other causes of dementia are 2. Alcoholism
V. A seizure is defined as a sudden, disorderly discharge of cerebral neurons that results in both an alteration of brain function and of consciousness (Hughlings Jackson)

A. Etiology of seizure disorders includes

1. Cerebral lesion: tumors, congenital malformations, infections, vascular diseases

2. Biochemical disorders: drug/alcohol addiction, hypoglycemia, hypocalcemia
Symptomatic hypocalcaemia frequently occurs in patients with magnesium depletion due to chronic alcoholism (5).

3. Cerebral trauma: injury both past and present including neurosurgery

4. Epilepsy: a chronic disorder with no underlying cause; this is the strict definition of epilepsy, however it is often use interchangeably with seizure disorder

B. Seizure activity can be precipitated by a variety of factors

1. Blinking lights or by the sunlight passing through trees while driving

2. Fatigue

3. Fever

4. Infections

5. Hypoglycemia

6. Odors
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:40 PM
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87. Small wonder he falls!
Interesting and good research. Thanks for posting! :hi:
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:45 PM
Original message
Welcome to DU!!!
:yourock:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:21 PM
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116. Very informative post. Thanks.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:02 PM
Response to Original message
83. When I told My 8 year old that Bush's doctor was riding with him she said
his doctor goes on bike rides with him with her face all screwed up like I don't understand....?

Even she gets it.

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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:14 PM
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84. Check out the Epileptic thread. Seriously it really explains his behavior
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:45 PM
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88. I don't believe there was a bike
Edited on Tue May-25-04 08:46 PM by elbayl
We all know that Shrub loves to run but this is the FIRST mention of him riding a bike. C'mon if he were an avid bike rider he'd have already had a few photo ops with Lance Armstrong (being they both lived in Austin, TX).

There was no bike...
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #88
98. Think about this...Loose dirt don't cause pavement abrasions
Say the dirt was loose...then that means you were trail riding and not bike riding on pavement. Who takes their Doctor on a bike ride 17 miles. Think...Most people would say 10 miles..Or 15 miles
or 20 miles...But 17? No one comes up with an odd number like that.
So here is the scenario according to Bush.
Biked 17 miles......with Doctor.....
Have bad knees.....instead of jogging...biking....DDDDDDDDuuuuuh !
Dr. wants to bike with me because ....maybe he knows the Angel of Death is gonna fall? Why not have Benny Henn Bike with ya or Oral Roberts?
Biking? where? In the woods...dirt...or on the asphalt?
If you are on concrete, doesn't matter if its pouring down raining
no dirt on pavement. Earth does not grow in pavement...
Did the Doc bring his medical bag?
Where did he put it?
Who is the doctor who decided to give up a game of golf and go biking? That in itself would be a miracle of sorts....
Were the secret service riding bikes too?
Come on..these are good questions!
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GreyPilgrim Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:45 PM
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89. Transcript
Y'all probably have found this already, but if you haven't -- here's the transcript link:

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/25/cf.01.html

Priceless.



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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:00 AM
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104. Thanks!
That was very informative. I never watch CNN anymore and was surprised at how Begala was holding his own. Carlson is such a whore! Note his comments about he can't pronounce the french word like the democrats can and several comments about not being able to pronounce words. Does he think its good to look as stupid as bush? He certainly has all the little slurs and insinuations down doesn't he? Agggh. And that's why I don't watch. But it was interesting to see how they are speaking up against bush and the audience applause.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:08 AM
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101. It could have been a "cloud" following the Bushboy.nt
Edited on Wed May-26-04 10:09 AM by 9215
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:07 AM
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105. That story just smells bad
Much like the pretzel. Dude must have been shitfaced.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:16 AM
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106. This kind of stuff really doesn't give DU a good name.
Edited on Wed May-26-04 11:16 AM by Gregorian
Or liberals, for that matter.

As much as I hate bush, and as much as I wish he'd become even more impaired than he already is, in that fall, I have to add my two cents here-

I am an avid mountainbike rider. I will say for the record that where I ride, there are places where it is slippery and wet after weeks of no rain.

I say you people should be more careful about your reputation. Don't give repubs any kind of foothold. This administration has set up the most incredibly complex minefield of bullshit, and all we can talk about is Fuckhead's fall.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:32 AM
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108. I don't worry about what the repubs think
of me or of DU.

I shudder to think of spending any time worrying about such.

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:00 PM
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110. No, that's not "all 'we' can talk about."
Edited on Wed May-26-04 12:05 PM by RandomKoolzip
This is one thread among tens of thousands on this board. ON THIS BOARD! You see the registered members number? Over 40,000. Well, half of the American people think of themselves as "liberal." And there's maybe forty-five people discussing this one topic right now, out of a possible 40,000 on this board, out of a possible 2 billion people, most of whom think of themselves as liberal.

Believe me, Busch falling off a bike is not ALL they're talking about.

Again, another newbie comes on the board and tells us not to talk about a certain harmful-to-the-administration topic because it makes "'us' look bad." These newbies CARE SO DEEPLY about the Democrats' image that they're willing to issue warnings to us about tarnishing our reputations on behalf of the "great unwashed." How many times has this happened? Oh probably upwards of 200. Pal, it doesn't work. We're gonna talk about stuff, and in case you haven't noticed, Bush's poll numbers are slipping, mainly because WE on DU have had the guts to talk about stuff to the "great unwashed," and it's making a difference. So you can tell whoever orchestrates these internet disinfo campaigns you guys run to just give up, it's not an effective tactic.

I also find it interesting that one of the last infiltrators to try this tack used KERRY's owning a mountain bike against him! He said something to the effect of "Bush is a man of the people, out on his ranch, chopping wood, while elitist Massachussetts liberal John Kerry rides a 1000-dollar mountain bike." Well, guess what, schmuck: your beflightsuited savior rides an elitist mountain bike, too (and falls off of it!)



And don't address us as "you people." That kind of stuff really doesn't give freepers a good name.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:13 PM
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114. There are actually many topics here at DU
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:24 PM
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118. We talk about whatever we wanna talk about.
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AussieInCA Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:25 AM
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107. Bomb the weather channel! How dare they spread this terra-rist propoganda
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:04 PM
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111. I keep coming back to ...
why did Bushboy have his DOCTOR along bike riding with him?

Secret Service I can understand, but is he so prone to spills that he can't be let out of the house without his personal physician standing by? Oh, wait, there's that part about falling off the couch after choking on a pretzel. Maybe he isn't allowed IN the house without his doctor.

Sawmtheing eez nawt right.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:10 PM
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113. Wow! To go from ignoring every lie to pointing out every lie!
Edited on Wed May-26-04 12:11 PM by boobooday
Could the media be coming to its senses?

The New York Times, yesterday:

"In this case it looks as if we, along with the administration, were taken in. And until now we have not reported that to our readers."

Has the wheel finally come back around, somewhere in the vicinity of the truth?

http://www.wgoeshome.com


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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 12:53 PM
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117. I think it was a giant TREE he crashed into, not the pavement.
The wounds sustained look like Tree Damage from the rough bark. Prolly was going about 5 MPH and lost it.
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