Imagine if McCain were President...Thank God for Bush!

[txprog]

If McCain were nominated and elected in 2000, Dems would be in very, very serious trouble. Repubs would have a decent guy, probably with decent people around him, and would likely have avoided many of the mistakes these bozos have made. They may have even LISTENED to the outgoing Clinton people, done something, and stopped 9-11. We probably wouldn't be in Iraq, wouldn't have all the crazy stuff with taxes, the environment, corporate fascism, etc.

Sure, many of the real righties wouldn't be happy but most would still support the Repub President. The Repubs, with a moderate-right government, would be in a clear position to solidify their power and majorities in both houses of Congress, keep the White House in 2004, influence the Supreme Court for years to come, and much more.

But when they elected this moron they blew it, and the Dems are poised to regain the White House and maybe the Senate too. Sometimes you have to go into the valley to get up the mountain. Thank God for GW Bush!

[Rainbowreflect]

1. I could live with that & so could a lot of our troops.

[Catholic Sensation]

2. I hope this is sarcasm

I'd rather America be safe, every American employed, September 11 not happen, our kids not going to Iraq, and go back to a time with progressive taxation, a cleaner environment, and corporate accountability, then have America in such a shitty state that only a change in power could save it.

[Goldmund]

3. So let me get this straight:

Were it not for Bush, 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened, we probably "probably wouldn't be in Iraq, wouldn't have all the crazy stuff with taxes, the environment, corporate fascism, etc". Therefore, thank God for Bush.

So in other words, thank God for 9/11, Iraq, tax cuts, corporate fascism, etc.

Eh????

[Sinistrous]

5. Not txprog's premise at all.

Read it again and think about it this time.

[Goldmund]

9. I roll my eyes...

...every time I read posts like this. Are you just trying to get your post count up? If not, say something next time.

[Sinistrous]

19. Actually, a proper critique of your post would have gotten me tombstoned

but look at that little guy snoozing next to you name. He is about to get a visit.

[Goldmund]

20. Please don't tell my achy breaky heart

I don't think it'll understand.

[candy331]

10. Sometimes one does have to experience the bad to appreciate

the good. Some people learn from bad examples of others but some have to walk through the fire to feel the pain. No sane person wanted 911, Iraq, tax cuts, corporate greed and any of the other dozens of things to happen and yet examples from the past did not suffice to stop such things so first hand experience is now the teacher. To set a broken bone is painful but to not do so will be even more painful in the future.

[Goldmund]

12. This may be so

But it's totally logically murky to derive what you said from "thank God for Bush.". What you're basically saying is "thank God for all of the bad things because we've learned from them so hopefully they won't happen in the future.". But they _have_ happened. It seems dubious to me to say "thank God they've happened in the past and not in the future", even with your disqualifier that they may have been worse if they were yet to happen (which seems speculative at best to me). I suspect what you're really saying is "thank God that all of the bad things that have happened in the last 3 years haven't affected myself or people close to me as much as they could have (you haven't died or lost your child or your home, like millions of others); I couldn't guarantee this would be so if they were yet to happen, in the future.".

[Rosco T.]

4. I hope that's scarcasm....

"They may have even LISTENED to the outgoing Clinton people, done something, and stopped 9-11. We probably wouldn't be in Iraq, wouldn't have all the crazy stuff with taxes, the environment, corporate fascism, etc."

because if not, you've got a really twisted set of priorities.

I could've lived with McCain if it meant none of that had happened. I'm sure there are several thousand families that have gone thru a lot of pain and grief that would agree...

[TheFarseer]

6. That's just crazy

McCain would be a great president. I would have a hard time deciding between him and Kerry. He's pissed me off lately, but he has a very good track record - as good as most dems I think. and btw - I think there are only a couple dozen people in the world that would have even talked about invading Iraq let alone doing it as president of the USA and damn out luck we somehow beat those odds with Bush*

[saracat]

11. MCCain is a Conservative Republican

What do you mean he would be a great President? Are you on the wrong discussion board?

[TheFarseer]

18. OK, great was over-stating it

What would really have been great is an Al Gore presidency, but I honestly don't think you'd see much difference between McCain and Clinton. I think McCain is sensible and progressive enough that the only real difference you would see is court nominees(which would be kind of bad, but one hell of alot better than what we have now), and not as good of an environmental policy. I was extremely pleased with Bill Clinton and a slight dropoff from that would still be fine with me.

[saracat]

22. You are making the argument that there is

no difference between the parties. McCain is Pro-Life.Pardon me if I find A "slight dropoff" that strips me of my rights as an equal human being as unacceptable.

[the_real_38]

7. F*** McCain and all of the Republicans. Their first priority...

... is always helping the rich, no matter what it does to the rest of the country - puts us in more debt or whatever.

The fact is, John McCain wants (like all other Republicans) to cut the tax load on the wealthy first and foremost - he voted for Bush's insane budget policies (increased military spending, tax cuts for the rich) like all the other Elephant-asses.

[devinsgram]

8. Everyday republicans in this country

never had a chance to nominate who they really wanted. They were force fed * and now they'll have to pay for it, because they were to stupid to see what was happening.

[ibegurpard]

13. sounds familiar

eom

[AntiCoup2K4]

16. I was just gonna say that.

What was done to McCain in 2000 and what was done to Dean in 2004 are eerily similar. And I still can't figure out why either one of them sticks with corporatist neocon dominated parties who betrayed them.

It won't happen (at least not this time), but I guarantee you that if there was a Dean/McCain third party run, neither Junior or Kerry would have a prayer.

[vetwife]

15. Isn't that like saying its a good thing we went deaf in order

to appreciate our vision. I could live with John McCain's leadership and even though I hated the Reagan and Bush I years, and I mean hated ! I didn't wake up in a depression and have the problems we are all facing now. I am a Dem through and through but I am not so partisan that I can't value someone who can actually walk and talk and keep my great grandkids from paying down a debt that will never be paid. No I am an American first and if John McCain had gotten the nomination, he would have more decency that to steal an election, to take us to war with no plan, to lie to americans, out a CIA agent, gut the environment, get in bed with Big Oil, he would have supported veterans and I am not appreciative for 4 years of my life or your life taking us to the edge of the cliff of humanity. shameing us on an international level, being hated by the world, all in the name of party politics. Sorry. Can't go there.

[TheFarseer]

21. Funny

the democrats get railroaded into choosing the safe candidate(Kerry) and the republicans get railroaded into choosing the craziest m*therf*cker they can find(Raygun, Bush)

[saracat]

23. Yeah! Just like the Everyday Germans

who were "too stupid to see what was happening. '

[mmm]

14. I disagree entirely

Bush is destroying this country.
If he cheats his way in a second time
there could be civil war.
God Damn Mr. Bush is more like it.

[hippiegranny]

17. 2000 gave the cockroaches a foothold

there is NOTHING positive about the past 4 years. nothing. and i'm sure the families of the 800+ dead american soldiers, the thousands of maimed americans, and the families of the 10's of thousands of dead and tortured iraqis would be in total agreement with me.

the fact that the pestilence that is bushco wormed their way into the white house is frightening indeed because they are like the plague, and they intend to stay.