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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:23 PM
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How is Abu Ghraib *really* pronounced?
There's the way the US media pronounce it, "Aboo Grayb," and that seems to have caught on among English speakers. Well, with one important exception.

But does anyone know how it really sounds in Arabic?

Regardless, if one mispronounces the word, one at least should be mispronouncing it consistently. When * mangled it three different ways, it was pretty clear he's been thinking too much about cartoons and not enough about one of the WORST scandals EVER perpetrated.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:24 PM
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1. I don't fault Bush
Edited on Tue May-25-04 12:25 PM by qwertyMike
for mispronouncing this.

Jeez don't we have enough shit to focus on?

Waste of bandwidth.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:26 PM
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3. But his pronunciations were waaaay out there--'Abu Garum'? The hell!?
I can see grayb, or grah-eeb, or gray-eeb--basically anything with a 'gr' followed by a vowel and a 'b', but he didn't even come close!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:28 PM
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5. And why 3 different pronunciations?
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:30 PM
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6. Who cares?
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progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:36 PM
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10. Because he's the damn president of the United States
making a statement to "Americans and Iraqis" and ANY good speaker knows that you need to pronounce every word correctly because otherwise you just look dumb.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:45 PM
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14. It also indicates
that he doesn't do much thinking on the matter. It seems as though it's a brand new word to him.

It was pitiful to watch.

It is indeed important.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:56 PM
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15. Don't you care the guy with his finger on the button can't even talk?
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:00 PM
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16. I fault him.
It shows disrespect for the Arab people and for the importance of this issue.

This wasn't just a slip - we all do that occasionally. But he does this kind of thing all the time. And the fact that he couldn't have found someone, somewhere, who could give a definitive pronunciation and transcribe it phonetically is just beyond the pale.

It shows that he couldn't have been discussing the prison issue with staff - otherwise he wouldn't act like he'd never encountered the word before. I've been talking with friends about what happened at Abu Grahib. At first I heard so many different pronunciations, but I finally settled on one - Abu Grabe. Whether or not this is completely correct, at least I'm now consistent when discussing it.

Also, and I've said this here before - nearly everyone, when they make a mistake in grammar or pronunciation, they "self-correct". Listen for it. It's a sign that we're actually hearing the meaning of what we're saying and we go back and fix it when it comes out wrong.

Bush doesn't do that. He just plunges ahead, as if the meaning is not an issue. Very strange.

He's the president, after all. (Well, allegedly.) How low does the bar have to be??
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:25 PM
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2. i have heard the ME/arab speakers
pronounce it with the "g" silent IE abu Harib
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:27 PM
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4. aboo-RAeeb
Edited on Tue May-25-04 12:29 PM by eleonora
edit: thought the ees convey the sound better.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:31 PM
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7. more specifically...
Posts 2 and 4 indicate that "Ghraib" has two syllables. That's what I've suspected -- that the 'a' and the 'i' are pronounced separately.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:33 PM
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8. It's hard to pronounce for english speakers
The "gh" is a "uvular fricative", similar to the "ch" in "Chanukah"
An acceptable english pronounciation is "abu-gra-YEEB".
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:09 PM
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17. Hmm. Makes sense.
Someone posted somewhere that it's kind of like the French "R" sound, in the back of the throat. That would be similar to a "uvular fricative" I guess.

I said above that I pronounce it "abu grabe". Guess that's not right either, but at least I decided to make a choice and go with it. Sounded like bush had never seen the word before. Sheesh!
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Unperson 309 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:18 PM
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18. Closer, I think
to the French uvular 'r' (as in Mireille or Henri)

Sort of "Aboo gh-rah YEEB". I've hearde native speakers pronounce the final 'b' as a hard b or soft 'p' but 'b' is fractionally closer to the correct sound.

309

Boosh? Es-meni al-TI'BEER!!!
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:34 PM
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9. VOA pronunciation guide has it
Find it under List Lookup:

http://names.voa.gov/
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:36 PM
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11. very interesting resource
thanks!
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:44 PM
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13. Pronunciation tapes are sent to media outlets and politicians each week...
from the VOA.

There's no excuse for anyone on TV or radio (or in the freepin' White House, for Jesus' sake, not to be able to pronounce current terms!
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:43 PM
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12. "Throatwarbler Mangrove" (for the Pythons out there) nt
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