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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:32 PM
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Abu Ghraib mispronunciation: Missing the obvious?
There is alot of speculation going on about as to why shrub would flub a name he should know,and why he would do it so badly three times.

To me, its possible that he may have just done it on purpose, especially after reading the essay "Ignoble Liars' in this months Harper's (GWB "and the philosophy of mass deception").

He did it on purpose as a subtle message to his base. Codespeak, as it were. Think about it: the right wingers dont give two craps about what went on in the prison. They cant pronounce the name either, they dont want to. But most importantly, they dont want a president who is ringing his hands over it, outraged. They dont WANT their president to be able to pronounce the name. They hear him screw it up and feel reassured that he is still their guy, no matter what else he says, he's one of them. Same-ol', same ol'.

JMHO
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:35 PM
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1. Perhaps...
His father purposely mispronounced Saddam. (SAD-em) instead of (Sa-Dom). It has been said he did it to piss him off.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:35 PM
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13. I believe shrub the first thought mis-pronounciation of Saddam's name
meant something unflattering in Arabic.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:38 PM
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2. Considering
Considering he also had trouble with prouncing most things that don't directly have to do with killing people.

Even today in his television interview he chose to say that Iraq having a democracy would bring the rest of the Middle East to Democracy.

I guess that's just so important considering Bush's stance on Turkey when they voted to not give landing space for the US without the UN.

Telling a Democratic country to 'vote again and get it right this time'.

Yes, such a democratic president.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:38 PM
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3. The look of panic on his face belies your theory.
He choked. He's too busy riding his bicycle to pay attention to the atrocities committed by his administration.
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Elbowroom Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:39 PM
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4. lookie here
http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/SU/lying599.html



Quote:
Science of Lying
By Sean Henahan, Access Excellence

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Washington, DC (4/20/99)- Humans practicing mendacity, otherwise known as lying, exhibit numerous physical and verbal cues that can be objectively measured, researchers reported at the annual meeting of the American Psychiatric Association.

Researchers at the Smell & Taste Treatment Research Foundation in Chicago, IL reviewed 64 peer-reviewed articles and 20 books on mendacity. From these they derived an index of 23 clinically practical physical and verbal signs of dissimulation. Many of the books used in the project are standard texts for the FBI and other law enforcement agencies involved in interrogating suspects.

Physicals cues believed to be associated with lying include an increased incidence of leaning forward, licking the lips, touching the nose, averting the gaze and handling objects. An insincere smile, characterized by lack of movement of the wrinkle lines around the eyes is another well know indicator of lying. People who are lying also often reveal themselves verbally. Verbal cues include the increased use of verbal qualifiers or modifiers, the use of expanded contractions (e.g. I did not rather than I didn't), stuttering, throat clearing and speech errors.......
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:49 PM
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5. That's interesting because when Chalabi got asked uncomfortable questions
on the Sunday Pundit shows he would bring his finger up to his nose. It was so obvious I thought he was giving hand signals to someone in the viewing audience as a code. The rest of the time when he was rattling on about what he was trying to get across his hands were not visible. It was only when questions about working for Iran or being involved with the neo-cons were asked that this happened.

The Chimp on the other hand has been caught up in so many lies, I think he can't speak straight. He almost looks "afraid" sometimes when he mispronounces a word, like his brain is trying to search but his mouth can't get the connection. Who knows :shrug:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:49 PM
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6. watchie here!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:39 PM
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14. My all time favorite!
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:51 PM
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7. That first time was a flub...like he forgot how to mis-pronounce it
Edited on Tue May-25-04 12:51 PM by Richardo
...the others MAY have been intentional. But that first one was a definite speedbump. You could hear it in his voice (I was listening on radio)
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:52 PM
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8. agree
he might as well also have said "A-RABS".
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:54 PM
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9. Well, he totally screwed up 'Ambassador' too
So I don't know what message he was trying to get across on that one.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:56 PM
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10. So it's not the "Omar Shariff' prison afterall?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:00 PM
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11. I also think it was done on purpose


he knows how to say it right
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:06 PM
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12. I've heard it pronounced several ways
Not to forgive him, but I've heard radio news reports & tv news reports that pronounce it different ways as well.

He should just stick with one pronunciation, even if it's wrong...like SAD-am (by his father).
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:41 PM
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15. either he is a complete idiot, or he (they) know what they are doing.
i wish i knew.
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