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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:49 AM
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DU this very important CNN Poll
http://www.cnn.com

Who has a better plan for dealing with Iraq?
Bush 34%
Kerry 38%
Neither 28%
at 8:53 am est
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:52 AM
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1. Damn. Here it comes. I'm not voting because
I would have to say neither.

DAmn Kerry's IWR vote. Just damnit to hell.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:38 AM
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31. neither is the correct answer-- vote!
eom
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:52 AM
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2. Done. Kerry still 38%
I voted for Kerry. Actually, I should have voted neither because I think Iraq is going to be a mess even after Kerry gets elected.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:54 AM
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3. I voted neither. Is that what I was supposed to do?
Because I don't see a whole lot of difference in Kerry's plan from Bush's.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:00 AM
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6. I did also yesterday, amazing how closely all three opinions are.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:02 AM
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8. the difference is that Bush's plan looks more and more like Kerry's plan
It looks almost like Bush is taking Kerry's advise.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:05 AM
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12. Same thoughts at the same time!
:-)

Must be true, then, eh?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:48 AM
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25. Yes! I wish Kerry would use it and quip
with things like "It's good to know the President agrees with me" and "Nice to see he's taking my advice."
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 11:13 AM
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35. Kerry's plan is not great either
I think they are both falling behind the events.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:04 AM
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10. You mean, except that Bush doesn't mean his?
See, Bushes have a long history of doing this. HW did it to Clinton, too. It's called positioning, and it's why you always wait for your opponent to lay out his plan, first.

What Bush did is take Kerry's plan and word his own plan the same way. That undercuts Kerry. Bush HW kept doing that to Clinton on economic policy. It failed, because ultimately HW did nothing, and people noticed.

The difference is, when Kerry says he will hand power over to the UN, he will do it. Bush means he will just do something that gives the appearance of doing it without actually doing anything.

That makes Kerry's plan a little better. Not much, he should withdraw before he's finished reading his oath of office, but a little.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:16 AM
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13. There's just one problem with the "turn it over to the UN" plan.
They don't want it and wouldn't touch it with a ten foot poll.

Nobody wants the mess Bush has created and we are deluding ourselves if we think otherwise. While they might be more sympathetic if Kerry replaces Bush in January it's a long way from sympathy to putting troops on the ground. And there's a clock ticking. We are running out of troops and not acting as if we are going to need more.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:27 AM
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27. They'll take it if we ask
It will vindicate the UN and humble us. They'll do it gladly.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:40 AM
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32. "They'll do it gladly"
I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. We're talking about UN member nations willing to clean up the mess we made after we thumbed our nose at them; willing to put their boys in harm's way in a place that has had it with foreign OCCUPIERS PERIOD.

If you're right that would be great but sorry, I think it's wishful thinking.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:57 AM
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4. done
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 07:59 AM
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5. Okay, this is what pisses me off (about CNN and EVERYONE who votes Neither
Edited on Tue May-25-04 08:04 AM by jobycom
"Better" means the better of two. Not three. Who has a better plan means which of these two plans is better.

Kerry's plan sucks, too, but it is "better" than Bush's, meaning it is the better plan. "Neither" is not a legitimate option in English speaking countries.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:01 AM
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7. 151883 votes and still Kerry 38% and Bush 34%
I don't think we can move it much. And I bet it has been freeped.

Still, more people think that Kerry has a better plan.

As James Carville said: "Bush is going down...down...down"

People finally realize how incompetent he really is. People who voted for him should be VERY embarrassed.
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Kong Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:03 AM
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9. Done
As of now:

Who has a better plan for dealing with Iraq?

President Bush 34% 52622 votes

John Kerry 38% 58694 votes

Neither 28% 43201 votes
Total: 154517 votes
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:05 AM
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11. Done....come on DUers! Kerry is ahead, but
not by much. Go vote!

Who has a better plan for dealing with Iraq?

President Bush 34% 53700 votes

John Kerry 38% 59554 votes

Neither 28% 43974 votes
Total: 157228 votes

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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:19 AM
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14. Done...
Almost clicked on Bush by accident... :-)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:21 AM
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15. Take this one on CNN international - better numbers, questions
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Fear Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:26 AM
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16. voted
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:41 AM
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20. I can vote in that one
thanks :-)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:42 AM
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21. did this one too.
Do you think President Bush's five-point plan for Iraq is a realistic and achievable strategy?

Yes 20% 805 votes

No 80% 3231 votes
Total: 4036 votes

The chimp is finished. :bounce:
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:37 AM
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17. The quintessential difference in bush;s and kerry's plans
You see, in the case of bushsucks*, his plan is what he says he's going to do. In kerry's case, it's what he's going to do.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:38 AM
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18. 35% Bush 37% Kerry
If they are going to say "President Bush," shouldn't they also say Senator "Kerry"?
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:40 AM
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19. Are the neither votes former * ush supporters?
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:53 AM
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34. Probably a bunch of DU'ers.
...who think cutting and running is an acceptable alternative. Sure, leave 10% of the world's oil under the control of some whacko ayatolla or worse, al Qaida. That's better than the status quo (or even the status quo ante under Saddam Hussein) HOW?

Like it or not, Kerry (I'm being optimistic) will have to deal with Iraq. Bush made the mess on our behalf, and we will have to clean it up. Otherwise, we look like pure shit.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 11:16 AM
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36. no, I also voted neither
I am hoping the center left will catch on one of these days.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:43 AM
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22. 37K - 35Shrub
Who's going to deliver the results-------CAFFERTY? They will spin this as "no difference" meaning a plus for Shrub.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:45 AM
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23. since bush is adopting kerry's plan
it is really either way voing kerry. though bush mouths bring in other countries he doesnt/cant do the work. that would mean humble and interacting and asking
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:48 AM
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24. done
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 08:53 AM
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26. Done
w = 35 Kerry = 37 neither =28
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:29 AM
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28. Spread the word!
Done with pleasure.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:33 AM
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29. did anyone see moneyline's 99% poll last night?
paraphrasing, do you think tonight's speech will change your mind about Bush's handling of Iraq?
yes 1%
no 99%

I didn't catch how many responded, thought it was funny
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:37 AM
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30. 36% bush* ...37% Kerry
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:41 AM
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33. Glad to help n/t
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