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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:53 AM
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The video camera used to film torture the same one used for Berg video????
Just received this link from a friend that claims that Kodak has identified the video of Iraqis being tortured in Abu Ghraib as coming from the same camera as the Berg video film. Anybody else hear anything about this? Before you shoot the messenger -- I don't make any claim to the truth or falsity of any of this stuff. Just passing it along.

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html

OK - we may have the in smoking gun the Berg video that proves the Nick Berg was killed by Americans at Abu Ghraib prison. In addition to all the other evidence that I posted on my blog, I have been seeing some messages that if proved to be so answers the question as to who really killed Berg.

There has been a semi-secret government initiative to add digital signatures to various digital consumer products. Photocopiers and digital cameras store an encrypted signature to identify the unit that made the video. This digitial signature is totally inique to each device and is more unique than a fingerprint.

Today new pictures were released of prison torture at Abu Ghraib prison. But not just still pictures. Today video was released showing prisoners being tortured by Americans. Aparently Kodak film experts are Kodak Park in Rochester New York have compared the digital watermarks of the turture video and the beheading video and have determined that one of the cameras used in the Nick Berg beheading is THE SAME CAMERA that took the prison torture video.

If this turns out to be true then there is NO DOUBT that Berg was killed by Americans at Abu Ghraib prison.....

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495 ;article=55969;title=APF%0AN

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DannyRed Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 02:06 AM
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1. Some relevant sources of info
regarding "digital watermarking"

From http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/kennelIntervi... :

QUESTION: How will Kodak address industry concerns about piracy?

KENNEL: Security and anti-piracy measures are absolutely essential. With the Kodak Digital Cinema system, we expect data files to be stored in our Cinema Operating System in encrypted form with decryption keys delivered for use in Kodak digital projectors. Once the movie is 'unlocked' to be shown on the screen, it will be impossible to copy. We have simultaneously developed watermarking technology that will enable the industry to pinpoint the time and place camcorder copies were made off of cinema screens.

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Digital Watermarking:

Watermarking Info

I am sure there are more sources of info.

This tech is currently in use.

I am not saying that the conspiracy theory is accurate, only that the technical aspect mentioned as a possible supporting piece of data is accurate.

I am still agnostic about the Berg murder theories...on all sides.

Too weird.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 02:19 AM
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2. Here's a quick search on...
... "video camera 'digital watermark'":

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=video...

More there than I thought previously. If the video cameras in use were fully digital and fairly new, then a watermark could be present. Older analog cameras might not present a watermark.

Still would like to know the names of the experts at Kodak that came to this conclusion, though.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 02:24 AM
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3. Locking. This post is a duplicate.
Please continue this discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 02:24 AM
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4. doesn't sound terribly credible
one of those "my brother's girlfriend knows someone at Kodak who said ......"

For one thing, by the time the video was degraded to the point that we saw on the internet, the watermark probably would be degraded just as much. Or completely gone. Because it's probably on a track of the tape that wouldn't have even been copied to the internet version.
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