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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:06 PM
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The mysterious case of Captain Craig Button USAF 4-2-97
On his first ever live bomb (500 LB.) exercise Capt. Craig Button flew his A-10 Warthog away from formation over Arizona and on into Colorado...
http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw1.html

:wtf:
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:11 PM
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1. Sometimes people think they want to die, I guess...
it is strange that he flew over 500 miles to find a certain mountain to crash into.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:14 PM
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2. With a ton of live bombs over America. 4 -500 LB. BOMBS.
Strict Jehovahs Witness mom, retired USAF Col. dad.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:18 PM
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3. According to his buddy he was upset.
Edited on Mon May-24-04 11:18 PM by FDRrocks
If you are that upset maybe crashing into a cliff doesn't sound that bad. Unfortunately there isn't any chance to turn back once you've made the final decision, in that case.

It is possible that he had ulterior motives though, maybe he ran out of gas, or just plain screwed up. It was a 'training excercise', who knows how good he was with the thing.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:21 PM
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4. The report may have been doctored, the public should know more about
this unsolved case-like who made those phone calls that upset Capt. Button?
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:27 PM
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6. I never take gov't rreports
or reports by branches of the government at face value. Although this whole thing doesn't seem like a big enough deal to have any kind of coverup.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:22 PM
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5. Synchonicity - I was thinking about this just yesterday,
and I hadn't since the incident.

Very odd and sad story.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:34 PM
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7. You and I are brothers when it comes to fighting nazi /neo-conservatives
Edited on Mon May-24-04 11:41 PM by bobthedrummer
that's why. And CRIMINALS working for spooks, of course-we're vets too, it's realpolitik. I've been shot at 7 times in America as a citizen. :hi:

Back to the topic-we've got to consider the interest of USAF command in his sexual preference-during the era of President Clinton we had a USAF A-10 with a ton of live bombs out of control over Colorado.

General Myers (JCS) and most of the uniform wearing crew around REICHMARSHALL/Defense Secretary RUMSFELD, WAR CRIMINAL AND PROFITEER, WELL THEY WEAR USAF BLUE.

THE USAF HAS GOT A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR RESPONSE ON 9/11 TOO.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 11:56 PM
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8. bob, do you know about the case of Col. Shue, Air Force Psychiatrist?
This one really troubles me. It has a cultic stink about it.

Threatened, abducted, tortured (nipple and finger cut off), his wrists and ankles duct taped. He's found driving erratically, and careens off the road.

Initially finding? Suicide.

http://www.militarycorruption.com/colonelkilled.htm

http://www.militarycorruption.com/shue-2.htm

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:10 AM
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9. Sounds like some kind of cult ritual crime to me-there are lots of them
around US military bases.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:42 AM
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10. I've come to claim my childhood at the Chapel of Baby Rose
You don't have to play me backwards to get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to try and go to hell to feel the devil's curse
Well I thought my life was a photograph on the family christmas card
Kids all dressed in buttons and bows and lined up in the yard
Were the golden days of childhood so lyrical and warm?
Or did the picture start to fade on the day that I was born?

I've seen them light the candles, I've heard them bang the drum
And I've cried Mama I'm as cold as ice and I got no place to run.

Let the night begin, there's a pop of skin and a sudden rush of scarlet
There's a little boy riding on a goat's head, and a little girl playing the harlot
There's a sacrifice in an empty church of sweet little Baby Rose
And a man in a mask from Mexico is peeling off my clothes.

So I'm paying for protection, smoking out the truth
Chasing recollections, nailing down the proof
You don't have to play me backwards to get the meaning of my verse
You don't have to try and go to hell to feel the devil's curse
I'll stand before your alter and tell everything I know
I've come to claim my childhood at the Chapel of Baby Rose.

Joan Baez, 1992 (CD: Ring Them Bells)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:22 AM
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14. The Ghost Dance



Victor Turner's account is drawn loosely from Van Gennep's analysis of rites de passages. Turner likens all social change to a ritual process. In ritual, individuals are transformed from one status to another by first being removed from society to a "liminal space" (from L. limen=threshold). In this betwixt-and-between state they receive special training and instruction pertinent to their new status. Normal rules of social life are suspended in this liminal period. The transformed members are then reincorporated in the larger society in their new status.
Turner, Victor
1974 Dramas, Fields and Metaphors. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.


Famous evangelists abound in other religions as well. A touchstone for the contemporary Native American movement in the United States was The Ghost Dance religion that swept Native American Peoples of the Plains in the late 19th Century. A Paiute evangelist prophet, Wovoka (originally named Jack Wilson), told Native Americans that if they practiced the Ghost Dance, a hypnotic spiritual ritual, the White Man would disappear, and Native American civilization would be restored. His message spread from the Great Basin area in Utah and Nevada north and west to California, Oregon and Washington, and east throughout the Great Plains. The Lakota Sioux in South Dakota were influenced by the teachings of Wovoka, and established the Ghost Dance among themselves. The practice created fear and distrust among the white soldiers stationed in South Dakota. Eventually a confrontation between the two groups led to the famous massacre at Wounded Knee on December 29, 1890 where 200 Native American people were killed. This massacre is one of the most important events in Native American history, and is still cited as an essential remembrance in Native American religion.

Kehoe, Alice Beck,
1989 The Ghost Dance: Ethnohistory and Revitalization. Ft. Worth: Holt, Rinehart & Winston.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:46 AM
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15. Book of Revelation in Wovoka's prophecies.
Even the most casual churchgoer would recognize the visions of the Book of Revelation in Wovoka's prophecies. Yet Wovoka's audience the Paiute people and, later, other tribal nations did not recognize it simply because Christianity did not take root among the Native peoples. White missionaries, for all of their efforts, did not put their faith into the hearts of most Native peoples. Wovoka, obviously recognizing this, refashioned the Revelation warning to his world. He claimed the Native peoples would receive God's favor since it was the white man who rejected Christ. And unlike the New Testament, which was vague concerning the time and place of God's new world, Wovoka spelled out the immediacy of what he said. "Jesus is now upon the Earth," he stated. But again, there is historic contradiction here Wovoka is quoted as saying he was Christ and he wasn't Christ. It would seem that either he excelled at playing to different audiences or was damned to being preserved by faulty historians.

Wovoka's faith was based on non-violence with whites. In fact, he even urged his followers not to tell the whites what they were doing. But as interpreted by Kicking Bear and Short Bull, Ghost Dance took on a militaristic aspect. Special garments known as Ghost Shirts were to be worn to deflect bullets fired by white soldiers or settlers. Government agents were permitted to witness the Ghost Dance ceremony and were told what it meant. Kicking Bear and Short Bull added the Indian Messiah would appear to the Lakota in the Spring of 1891.

Fourteen days after Sitting Bull's fatal shooting, the U.S. Army sought to relocate and disarm the Lakota people, who failed to stop their Ghost Dance. On the frozen plains at Wounded Knee on the Pine Ridge Reservation, government troops opened fire on the overwhelmingly unarmed Lakota people, killing 290 in a matter of minutes. Thirty-three soldiers died, most from friendly fire; 20 Medals of Honor were presented to surviving soldiers.

http://www.viewzone.com/wovoka.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:17 AM
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16. Once again, human beings perceptions being manipulated
and energies being refocused into negatives in the name of God by RW cultist fundamentalism of all faiths. And the great works are wars and cultures of death imo. :puke: :grr: :argh:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 12:50 AM
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11. What do you think of this interview Minstrel Boy?
More people contacted The Stone Angels as more Native agencies and Native service providers started to get in touch with us. A lot of this happened on an individual basis as well. We began to see that there were certain reserves, certain areas where there were intergenerational satanic cults operating - and these are comprised of Ojibway or Ojibway-Cree people. I can only assume that the creation and the maintenance of these cults over the decades, or over generations. was a direct result of the missionary activities, the religion that was imported by the British and the French through the fur trade centuries ago, and certainly is a direct product of the residential school experience. There is known cult activity on Manitoulin Island and some survivors described wealthy, white people who were flown in from New York and California to take part in highly organized, highly sophisticated cult activity right on the Island. This is something that has been addressed within the Native community and across Canada there is research being carried out by Native people themselves. They know where the activity is taking place, and they are dealing with it in their way.

A group has formed in the Sault Ste. Marie/Cutler/Thessalon area, Survivors of Spiritual and Sexual Abuse. They are affiliated with Elders, and have recently received funding to sponsor intensive healing gatherings directed and run by Elders. They are quite prepared to provide any help or assistance at all to ritual abuse survivors, or survivors of mind control experimentation, Native or non-Native. There is a high level of awareness within the Native community itself about the extent of ritual, cult abuse practices and certainly people who work in the Native Child and Family agencies have come to find a lot of evidence of this kind of practice, a lot of children who have been damaged by it.

http://www.raven1.net/lynmoss.htm
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:05 AM
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12. Then there is the legacy of Col. Aquino to consider as well as SRA
crimes videotaped in this war on terrorism.

What area of national security is directly involved in the torture, rape (including kids), murder and even whatever crime is comitted for having sex with body parts and corpses?

While some were chanting and initiating hard-core cult criminals (IMO some that had even paid to be participants of these crimes against humanity)-all in the name of The United States of America :nuke: :argh:???
:puke: :puke: :puke:

Release all the evidence this is our military and the mercenaries employed by the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President, but no-they tore down the ritual crime scene and replaced General Sanchez.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 01:14 AM
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13. wow. that's one fucked up story. Here's another link
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 11:56 AM
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17. Who made the upsetting phone calls to Captain Button?
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 02:10 PM
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18. right-wing paramilitary groups and other stuff
Edited on Tue May-25-04 02:11 PM by seemslikeadream
"We conducted about 200 interviews during the investigation," said Maj. Steve Murray, spokesman for the Office of Special Investigations. "No credible evidence to support theories of homosexuality, financial difficulties, family conflicts, militia ties or any other possible motivation has been discovered."

Murray said there are no plans to reopen the investigation. "(The Air Force) thoroughly explored all potentially relevant areas of Captain Button's life in an effort to better understand the circumstances which may have contributed to this event," he added.



The report notes a phone call the night before Button's exercise with live bombs on the Barry M. Goldwater Bombing Ranger near Gila Bend. The April 1 call appeared to have upset Button, who refused to discuss it with his roommate, the newspaper said.

"Something about the last few days and troubling telephone calls was enormously upsetting to him," the report said. "We may never know why he was in such much turmoil or with whom he talked."


Though Button and the woman were stationed at different Air Force bases, the two kept in contact through letters in the months after a 1991 ski trip, the report said.

But the woman said she never considered having a monogamous relationship with Button.

Button called the woman the afternoon before his final flight, but she had to cut the conversation short because she was at work, the report said.

The final area the report looks into is Button's religious beliefs and possible conflicts with his job as a fighter pilot. His mother is a devout Jehovah's Witness opposed to killing, the newspaper said.

His parents were in Tucson days before his death. They told investigators they had talked with their son about the end of the world. Button then asked for more information on the subject.

Investigators found in Button's bed-stand the Bible and a religious pamphlet, which described "God asking a father to sacrifice his only son on a burning pyre at the side of a mountain," the report said.

"Capt. Craig Button intended to die or be rescued by divine intervention of God at the last possible moment," the report said. "Did that struggle to free himself of his mother's religious beliefs collapse at the moment of truth? Here he was -- the next step in the mission was to become a full- fledged 'bomb-dropping people killer.' Until now, flying was an art, not a killing science."


A-10 FIGHTER STILL MISSING

After an intensive search lasting seven days, and
the expenditure of just over $1 million, the U.S. Air
Force has not yet located the A-10 fighter-bomber
that vanished on April 2.
The plane, piloted by Capt. Craig D. Buttons of
Massapequa, N.Y., broke formation west of Tucson,
Arizona the morning of April 2 and flew all the way
to Colorado. The last radar image put the plane
near New York Mountain, near Vail, Colorado.
On Monday, April 14, after identifying six possible
crash sites, terrain teams went in, covering grids
measuring 13 by 17 miles. The Air Force sent in a
radar-laden SR-71 Blackbird, and the Army dispatched
two UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters from Fort Carson,
Colorado.
Clear weather on Wednesday, April 16, was a major
help to the Civil Air Patrol planes searching the snow-
covered Sawatch Mountains. Two suspected crash
sites were visited by ground searchers, but the team
found only metal pipes sticking out of the snow.
The Air Force also mentioned Wednesday that the
A-10 was carrying 575 rounds of ammunition for its
30mm Gatling gun in addition to the four 500-pound
Mark 82 GP bombs.
On Friday, April 18, the Air Force announced that
it would scale back its intensified search early next
week if no trace of the A-10 is found.
According to USA Today, "Air Force officials
confirmed Thursday that that a spy satellite detected
an 'infrared event' - possibly a crash fireball or bomb
explosion--in the rugged wilderness mountains where
the (A-10) Warthog attack jet is thought to have gone
down on April 2."
"But that evidence seemed at odds with records
from about 40 seismic detectors in the terrain
surrounding the New York Mountain crash site."
"Lt. Gen. Frank Campbell, commander of the
(Davis-Monthan) Tucson air base where missing
Capt. Craig Button was stationed, said Thursday that
the instruments recorded 'no seismic indications
during the time of this flight.' He said experts say
a crash or bomb explosion...likely would have
registered 1.9 on the Richter scale for ground-
movement readings. Campbell said he wasn't
qualified to explain what the lack of data means."
(See USA Today, April 18, 1997, page 3A)

Investigators have concluded that Button was in control and flying the plane. According to ABC, investigators noted that Button buzzed several ski areas and made a detailed approach to a small airport in Colorado.

http://web.gosanangelo.com/archive/97/october/25/6.htm

NNS3704. Navy joins A-10 recovery operations
courtesy of Air Force Space Command News Service
EAGLE, Colo. (NWSA) -- A Navy team of explosive
ordnance disposal technicians has joined the Air Force's
efforts in recovering munitions from an A-10 that crashed in
the Rocky Mountains last spring.
Fifteen people from EOD Mobile Unit 7 in San Diego
arrived Sunday, Aug. 25, to begin assessing how they will
conduct a search of six lakes near Gold Dust Peak, the
13,365-foot summit where Capt. Craig Button's aircraft
crashed April 2.
The focus of the operation is to verify each lake is
safe for public use, as well as to attempt to locate any
underwater ordnance.
Since early July, Air Force para-rescue specialists and
EOD technicians have scoured the area for the A-10's
munitions and pyrotechnic devices, human remains and
wreckage pertinent to the accident investigation.
The six-week-old operation has yielded an estimated
five tons of the 14-ton aircraft, but still missing are the
four 500-pound bombs on board the aircraft when it departed
Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz.
The EOD team specializes in locating underwater
ordnance using side scan sonar, cameras on remotely operated
vehicles and various underwater metal detectors. If
evidence of a MK-82 bomb is found in one of the lakes, Navy
divers will work to verify its identification and determine
how to safely dispose of it.
Each lake search will take an estimated two days,
weather permitting.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/navnews/nns97/...

Increasingly tonight, investigators believe that New York Mountain 100 miles west of Vail, is where a missing attack jet like this one piloted by Capt. Craig Button crashed one week ago, conclusions based on radar records and new public sightings.
A motorists account of seeing black smoke billowing from New York Mountain on the day the jet vanished was corroborated today by a group of cross-country skiers who were on a nearby ridge-line. One of them, Tim Cochran of Vail Mountain Rescue, said: "the most notable thing was a large black cloud formed after they heard what they reported as a boom or vroom." A huge explosion, said the skiers, followed by an enormous black cloud, but they never saw the plane. Says Cochran: "two of the people on the ridge when they heard this and saw this black cloud form thought it was a large thunder cell, skied off the ridge immediately into the trees for their own safety."
Bad weather halted aerial surveys of the site today a one-square-mile area at the 11,000-foot level too difficult to reach on foot, too overcast to see anything. And the transponder, which could help locate the plane, was turned off, routine during training missions.
Major Joel Best of the Army National Guard, who has been searching for the plane, said "I honestly believe we've overflown the wreckage. I think we've overflown and haven't been able to decipher where exactly it is, what it looks like."
But the mystery remains tonight why Capt. Button veered so far off course from the Tucson area in his bomb-loaded attack jet 800 miles off course. And if he was somehow incapacitated and the plane was on automatic pilot, as one theory has it, how did the jet change course twice over Montrose, Colorado? A maneuver that requires the guiding hand of the pilot? an unusual occurrence with an answer that may be buried in the side of a snow covered mountain. Jerry Bowen, CBS news Los Angeles.
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/publications/cbs_topstor...


How many phone calls?

The Tucson Citizen in April of last year reported the military was investigating the possibility Button may have been gay and that he killed himself fearing exposure and forced discharge from the military. The official report makes reference to gay allegations and a newspaper story about a telephone call, made days before Button's disappearance, from a man who claimed to be the pilot's gay lover.

The Air Force report pointedly draws no definitive answers as to why the 32-year-old Button broke formation, and after three hours and 500 miles on erratic course, crashed his fully loaded A-10 attack jet into a mountainside.

"We conducted about 200 interviews during the investigation," said Maj.

Steve Murray, spokesman for the Office of Special Investigations. "No credible evidence to support theories of homosexuality, financial difficulties, family conflicts, militia ties or any other possible motivation has been discovered."

The report says the pilot's roommate told investigators Button appeared deeply unsettled in the days leading up to his disappearance. "Something about the last few days and troubling telephone calls was enormously upsetting to him," the report said. "We may never knew why he was in such much turmoil or with whom he talked."
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:XY1Vh_Q7FKwJ:www.d...

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> The Air Force report, based on interviews with friends, fellow fliers and
>relatives, sketches a picture of a "perfectionist" who was inwardly torn by
>his relationships with his mother and a former girlfriend.
>
> Before releasing the report, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations
>blacked out almost all the names of people interviewed.
>
> Two points were not a part of the report. After Button's plane disappeared,
>but before its wreckage was found several days later, rumors circulated widely
>that he was connected to right-wing paramilitary groups and had taken the jet
>and its payload for use by those organizations.


> A classmate from the Reserve Officer Training Corps told an Air Force
>investigator that Craig's "mother would not allow him to wear his ROTC uniform
>in the house."


> Lt. Brian Gross, a pilot who shared an apartment with Button at Davis-
>Monthan Air Force Base, near Tucson, Ariz., said that in the month before the
>disappearance, Button's "mother became increasingly vocal in her negative
>feelings towards her son's job and role in the military."


> In contrast, Button was said by many friends to have revered his father, and
>his father's half-brother, Lt. Donald Hurlburt. Hurlburt, a B-17 pilot who
>flew over Germany in World War II, crashed in Florida in 1943. Hurlburt Field
>in Florida is named for him


But in the weeks before the crash, Button seemed to some people to be
>disillusioned with his life in the military. A former landlord in Texas
>recalled to an investigator that in two telephone conversations prior to his
>death, the pilot seemed "out of character," saying that he was "learning to
>kill people."


> The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, a Jehovah's Witness group which
>arranged the telephone interview with Button, also provided a statement on
>their faith and military service: "Jehovah's Witnesses choose to abide by the
>principle outlined in the Bible to 'beat their swords into ploughshares.'
>However, they do not interfere with or oppose individuals who choose to serve
>in the military."

more
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:fcqTBWQ1BL8J:group...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 03:30 PM
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19. LSD was thought to mimic "schziophrenic" diagnosis-lol
But that doesn't excuse the case of biowar researcher Frank Olson's murder after a secret dosing with LSD by CIA. Chemical mind control.
http://www.frankolsonproject.org/
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