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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 05:47 PM
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New Zoby Poll: Bush 43% Gore 39%
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=719

A poll from 2000 at the same time period showed Bush leading Gore 47% to 41%. In the June 6th-10th poll showed Gore trailing Bush by only 4%.

Wow!!!! We need Gore NOW!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:20 PM
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1. Gee
That to me is the same as a poll saying he would lose: incumbent below 50%, ahead by 4 points against a non-candidate. Gore is still benefitting from name recognition that the other candidates do not yet have, save for Lieberman, to an extent. Once name ID is established you'll see several other candidates match up quite well in trial heat polls.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:20 PM
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2. MMmm no
You need somebody new.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:24 PM
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3. When someone gets with in 5 points of Bush come talk then
But till then WE NEED GORE!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:42 PM
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8. Need him for what?
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 09:43 PM by bowens43
He's not a candidate for president.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:47 PM
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11. You don't need someone
who can come within 5 points of Bush.

You need someone who can win.

Gore can't. Even he knows that.

If you do a replay...you'll get the same results.

You need a new fresh face with no baggage.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:39 PM
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22. The same results would be good enough to draft him.
Don't know why you seem to think that's a drawback -- there wouldn't be any funny ballots to save Bush's faux hick butt this time around.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:23 PM
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26. Maple: You forget (or don't know): Gore beat Bush by 550,000 votes
nationwide. He also won Florida, by at least 50,000, except for the discarded overpunched ballots. And there were 50,000 blacks who were disenfranchised by Jeb Bush and K. Harris. So Gore would win a FAIR election by over 100,000 votes in FL.

Next time, get your facts straight. Gore WON. Bush was Selected 5-4 by a Repug Supreme Court because he would have lost if they finished counting the votes.

God, I can't believe I have to tell you this..
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:29 PM
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4. earth to whatever planet you're on....
he's not running, get over it!!! Jesus H Fricking Christ Already!
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:35 PM
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6. J.H.F Christ
ain't running either.

earth out.

dp
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:44 PM
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10. Maybe we could draft him....
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Bethtany Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:35 PM
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5. Gore
I hope he doesn't run. I don't think I could vote for him again.
He let me down. He should have trounced the shrub. We need someone who is more dynamic this time.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:37 PM
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7. What is dynamic? What are you looking for?

Just curious.

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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:43 PM
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9. I like Gore
I supported him, voted for him, wish like hell he had won.

That said, this poll is irrelevent. He announced he isn't going to run. Nobody polled thinks he is running or will run. He is out of the public eye. The poll only really catalogs the public's growing dissatisfaction with Bush. If Gore were back in the public eye and announced he was running, the swing voters who ran from him before would be reminded why they didn't like him the last time and those poll numbers would change.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:58 PM
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13. He did win.
:evilgrin:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:49 PM
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12. Nothing short of astonishing
This is teriffic news regardless of Gore's status as a candidate. Bush is under 50 (by a pretty good amount) and close to statistically even to boot with Gore. No matter whom we nominate he or she will be better known than he or she is now. As noted below for an incumbent to be under 50 is bad news for the incumbent. Sometimes you can beat somebody with nobody. Just ask Jim Florio.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:59 PM
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14. Let me tell all of you something
Someone working on Draft Gore called Gore's office and asked if he would decline the nomination if he was drafted and his office said he would not decline. Gore did not want to go through the primaries, but he wants to be President. It is amamzing to see him within 4 points of Bush. People are realizing that Gore was right. Come on folks, this is the man who recieved more votes than Clinton, FDR, JFK, we have to rally behind him and show him we want him. These recent polls show that the tide has turned for Gore since Dec 02, but not good for the other candidates.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:00 PM
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15. No kidding. That's incredible.
To other folks on this thread: Gore won the 200 election, but SCOTUS selected Bush, instead.

Al Gore and Joe Lieberman *won* the election in 2000. Al Gore kicked Shrub's pants off in Florida by ~46,000 votes. He beat Shrub nationwide be more than half a million votes. Had Florida been awarded to Al Gore as the voters in Florida wanted then Al Gore would have won by 45 (46 without the abstention) electoral votes.

"More than 113,000 voters cast ballots for two or more presidential candidates. Of those, 75,000 chose Mr. Gore and a minor candidate; 29,000 chose Mr. Bush and a minor candidate. Because there was no clear indication of what the voters intended, those numbers were not included in the consortium's final tabulations."
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/recount/12VO...

~46,000 is the margin that Al Gore *actually* won Florida by. *That* was the intent of the voters. Not some measly ~200 votes. Also, *without* those ~46K votes Al Gore still won according to Florida law (had SCOTUS not *unconstitutionally* interfered).
Sources:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/electio...
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2058793
http://www.geocities.com/dearkandb/supremeqanda.html
http://www.the-rule-of-law.com /

Also, Al Gore got more popular votes that any other presidential candidate in the history of the United States, except for the time that Reagan won 49 out of 50 states' electoral votes. This was done while fending off an attack from the left *and* while fighting against a heavily biased media.
Sources:
http://www.mediachannel.org/views/whistleblower/palast....
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=181&row=1
http://www.dailyhowler.com /
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/du...
http://www.mediawhoresonline.com /

Count ballot as a vote if vote is indicated, but marked incorrectly. Example
Vote is indicated and marked correctly, but the candidate's name is also written in. Example
Ballot condition is agreed upon by at least two judges.
Count ballot as a vote if the chad is at least dimpled. Example
Final Tally: Gore won Florida by 107 votes.

Count ballot as a vote if vote is indicated, but marked incorrectly. Example
Vote is indicated and marked correctly, but the candidate's name is also written in. Example
Ballot condition is agreed upon by at least two judges.
Count ballot as a vote if the chad is detached from one or more corners. Example
Final Tally: Gore won Florida by 72 votes.

Count ballot as a vote if vote is indicated, but marked incorrectly. Example
Vote is indicated and marked correctly, but the candidate's name is also written in. Example
Ballot condition is agreed upon by at least two judges.
Count ballot as a vote if the chad is fully detached from ballot.
Final Tally: Gore won Florida by 430 votes.
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/electio...
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:13 PM
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16. Why dont you think he hasnt ceased the draft?
Remember on the eve of the TN Woodruff said he would issue a Trumanesque statment nixing the draft, but that was a lie. That was a ploy to deter attenders of the rally. Trust me, if he gets the nomination with the draft, he will run. This poll shows he is right there still, if the greens would help this time, he would win big!

Yes, here is the statement of the member who phoned his office:

"His silence on the issue speaks volumes, but I personally have confirmed with his office in Nashville that if he is successfully drafted, he would not refuse the nomination. This was a couple of months ago (when he became a board director for Apple), I'm not sure how receptive they would be to this question this late in the game. It was also reported by Cindy Adams on January 28th @ pagesix.com that she was in the know and that although he would not seek the nomination, he WOULD ACCEPT A DRAFT!!!"

Please trust us, if we give him the nomination he will run and will win again!
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:23 PM
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17. No kidding...

I was not "enamored" of Gore in 2000, but I knew what a SHRUB admin would bring (and damn, was I right, +500%). I voted for Gore. Not a regret in the world, btw.

The more I've seen of Gore since he hasn't had to kiss electorate a$$, I've liked. I believe he won in 2000, and the naysayers, well, let's just say I'm polite and I'll refrain from what I really think. Could he run and win? I really don't know. But I do know this: he can bring the name of the 2004 Democratic nominee to the plate ahead of its own game. Maybe that is some sort of cosmic compensation for his really, really bad 2000.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:23 PM
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18. We all agree Gore won but let's focus on defeating * now
OK, Gore isn't running but let's get behind whomever emerges as the person running with the best chances of defeating * (be it Dean or Kerry, etc.)

Right now we should be pounding Bush every way we can - he's on the ropes - let's go for the knockout!

Keep speaking, writing, emailing, show signs , bumperstickers etc. exposing Bush's flaws more and more!!!

I'm feeling good - can't wait for 2004!
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:32 PM
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19. We are focused on beating Bush *again*
with Gore, god permitting!This image link contains an illegal code
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:33 PM
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20. That's the guy I am voting for
even if I have to write him in.

He's also still polling well above the nine the Dems are running.

I personally don't need a fresh face. A fresh face has no substantive value compared to literal credentials. We are not in a time in our history where OJT is a luxury we can afford. We need to put someone in there who has the experience and the ability to deal with severe problems fast. That's Gore.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:37 PM
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21. Fabulous
B-)
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:40 PM
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23. Re-read the poll
That question was "WHO did you vote for in 2000"... I remember it as I took the thing.

This question was just a way of analyzing how skewed the sampling rate was, which is high considering Gore got over 50% of the vote.

L-
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:45 PM
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24. Polling wasn't done the same way....the earlier poll was a phone poll;
the recent poll (which I took) was the internet poll sent out by email and it's NOT a scientific sample...had something like 6000+ respondents.

So the info is not exactly comparable.....however, it's interesting, because there are some broad shifts evident...perhaps....
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:47 PM
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29. Just because it came on the net
doesn't make it unscientific. Since he chose us (I also took the poll) it well could have been. I have taken several polls of his and I presume he has me pretty well pegged demographicly. This may well have been a stratified random sample.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:53 PM
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25. Please realize
that Gore's running depends exclusively on 2 things:
1- the development of a full-blown scandal around Bush, which is independent of him,
2- Gore's willingness to act within the very small window which will open if 1.
Nothing else will do.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:39 PM
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27. Gore/Clark
but I will work and vote for whoever wins the Dem nom.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:46 PM
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28. He's not running
but if everyone asks pretty please with a cherry on top he might consider it? Screw that. If he doesn't want to jump into the fray along with everyone else and get his hands dirty, why should I grovel at his feet? Politics is messy and nasty. If he somehow thinks he can avoid all of that by "Getting drafted " at the last minute.. Oh never mind.

If he's the nominee, I'll support him but all this speculation about what he really thinks and what he really might do is just that - speculation.

MzPip
:dem:

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