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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:57 PM
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Pro-Choice without the Facts
I am looking for information regarding the specific medical conditions that warrant late term abortions (life and health protection of the mother). I have looked everywhere, contacted pro-choice groups, tell me someone knows. I want the facts.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:59 PM
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1. The child would not survive if born. That is pretty much it.
or that a woman is very ill anyways and will die if it not removed. The procedure only happens if they could not abort for any reason prior to the third trimester.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:01 PM
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2. What is the medical condition(s)? nt
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ant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:14 PM
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3. several possibilities
Tests for deformities and genetic problems aren't usually done until well into the pregnancy, and sometimes women/couples will opt to abort. The other big group is women with existing health problems, like diabetes. A friend of mine who's diabetic just had a rough pregnancy, though thankfully everything came out fine. The last example given is something going wrong during delivery. I remember reading an article by a doctor who talked about cases where the fetus would get caught in the cervix with a ruptured uterus, so basically the woman is bleeding to death pretty quickly and you have to do something to get the fetus out of the way. (This was in regards to situations where you might have to collapse the fetal skull, the big no-no of so-called partial birth abortion.) Of course, in cases like that where I assume the baby is wanted it's a much tougher decision that the parents or woman (if she's conscious) have to make really fast. Can't be an easy thing to decide.

There are also those women who just wait to have abortions. Some of them may be young and in denial, some of them may have a difficult time finding the money/time to get an abortion, etc.

The above is a summary of what's quoted below from the following website: http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_late.htm

Second trimester surgical abortions: About 140,000 second trimester abortions are performed yearly. They represent 9% of the total. Some are performed because the woman simply does not wish to remain pregnant. There are many reasons for the delay until the second trimester:

  • She may be young and in denial about her pregnancy
  • She may have not sought an abortion in her first trimester, but has waited until she can no longer hide her pregnancy.
  • Some fetuses are found to have a serious genetic defect. Ultrasound examinations are normally given at about 17 weeks gestation, when "fetal organs have developed enough to detect such abnormalities." An amniocenteses procedure is sometimes done at this time, particularly for women over the age of 35. Either procedure can detect abnormalities that can cause the fetus:

    • To die during pregnancy.
    • To be born alive but die within hours or days, perhaps in pain, perhaps without gaining consciousness.
    • To be born with very serious mental or physical disabilities that will severely limit their quality of life.

  • Dr. Katharine O'Connell of New York's Columbia-Presbyterian Hospital commented: "If the defect is diagnosed early, to wait the months knowing what the inevitable outcome will be is much more upsetting and detrimental. This is one of the worst things a woman can go through. We want to provide her with as many options as possible." A small percentage of couples will elect to take no action, and to continue the pregnancy. Almost all couples, when faced with these prognoses, will elect to terminate the pregnancy. As of 2003-NOV-6, their options are limited to:

    • Induced labor,
    • "D&E" (dilation and evacuation), and
    • "D&X" (dilation and extraction). This is often popularly called "Partial Birth Abortion" although that is a vague term which lacks a definitive medical definition. (removed link to more info)



President Bush has signed a bill into law which will criminalize almost all D&X abortions. Constitutional experts are divided over whether the law can survive a court challenge. A number of court injunctions have been obtained to prevent the application of the law.

Third-trimester abortions: Medical intervention to terminate pregnancies during the third trimester is quite rare. The Alan Guttmacher Institute estimates that 1% of all medical terminations of pregnancies are done at or after 21 weeks - (1994 data). It is sometimes done when the fetus has died in the womb. Termination of the life of a fetus is generally prohibited by medical societies' regulations after the 20th or 21st week of gestation. Exceptions do occur if required to save the life of the woman or avoid very serious, disabling health consequences. e.g.:

  • To save the life or health of a women experiencing a deteriorating health problem. This problem can rapidly grow worse with every day in late pregnancy, and can only be reversed by terminating the pregnancy. It is most often caused by diabetes or heart disease.
  • A midwifery web site quotes Dr. William F. Harrison, a diplomate of the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology. 2 He wrote that "approximately 1 in 2000 fetuses develop hydrocephalus while in the womb." About 5,000 fetuses develop hydrocephalus each year in the U.S. This is not usually discovered until late in the second trimester. A fetus with severe hydrocephalus is alive, but cannot live for long; it will never achieve consciousness.
  • In rare cases, the delivery of the fetus can go terribly wrong, threatening the life of the woman.


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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:25 PM
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4. There Are Many
Fetal Demise
Potter's Syndrome
Anencephaly

Heart Disease
Renal Disease/Failure
Ecalmpsia and Pre-emclampsia
Septicemia

These are just a few off the top of my head. You can find others in the Merck Manual, Williams Obstetrics, or any obstetrical textbook.
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ant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:40 PM
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6. a link
Alo! :hi:

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PRENATAL.html#1

WARNING: if you click some of the links on that site you will be taken to some very graphic photos.


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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:27 PM
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5. Late term abortions are not covered by Roe. You fell into the trap. nt
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:26 AM
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7. Don't make assumptions...and your wrong
Roe left this to the states except when health life of the mother is concerned.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:28 AM
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8. Is DU smart or what????
Can you imagine the answers I would have got from some fundy conservative group?
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