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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:34 PM
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Poll question: Should Kerry change his policy on Iraq?
Edited on Sat May-15-04 09:40 PM by Cascadian
A lot things have come to light in the last several weeks. It is apparent that Iraq is a fiasco that is amking Vietnam look like Summer camp. John Kerry wants to "stay the course" in Iraq and bring in the International community in on this occupation. It seemed like a good idea about a year ago but the mess is such that no amount of NATO or UN help will make any difference. So here is the question. Should Kerry continue to keep troops in Iraq or should he change his tune and call for withdrawal in Iraq?


John

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:37 PM
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1. And another total misrepresentation of Kerr'y position.
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:38 PM
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2. What is the representation?
Stay in Iraq or get out?


John
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:41 PM
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3. Kerry should withdraw all the troops within 6 months to a year....
According to how the Iraqis are progressing with their self-governance. We have to believe that they can govern themselves. We should have at least that much confidence in them. They deserve the opportunity to govern themselves without our interference.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 06:41 AM
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19. the elections may not be held until after then
After the election of a new government would be more reasonable than an arbitrary date.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:48 PM
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4. If Kerry wants to unite the country
adopt Dennis Kucinich's plan..It is the only workable plan..Iraqi's will be equally stressed by any Western force. A UN plan that clearly turns over control to international forces should put lots of Iraqi angst at bay.
Iraqi's will think twice about murdering Indonesians or Malyasians.
Of course we have to pay for the mess since we caused it. We have no moral authroity to foist a western style privitized, Capitalist system upon the Iraqi's ...
A change of president's will soothe frayed alliances and a new day will quickly result in more international co-operation.
Now if Kerry would appoint Kucinich Secretary of State or AMbassador to the UN, I might think Kerry has not ulterior motives, as his Skull and Bones breeding would cause us to fear.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:25 PM
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5. I'm sure Kerry wants out of Iraq as expeditiously as possible.
Edited on Sat May-15-04 10:28 PM by Old and In the Way
But he will not pack up and leave without a firm commitment from the UN and the solid backing of nations to make this transfer orderly. This administration as created an obligation for Kerry to resolve. He won't be tagged with allowing Iraq to dissolve into anarchy and be held responsible for the 10's of thousands who could die in a religiouis civil war.

I find it interesting that I've yet to see you post a thread screaming for Bush, the man who actually is responsible, to leave Iraq immediately; but I can think of at least a half dozen posts you've made demanding Kerry to leave, 8 months before he is elected and takes over government. Perhaps I've overlooked your equal opportunity posts on this subject.

I can just imagine your posts come 1/21/05....

What kind of push polling are you doing? You already decided the answer- "It seemed like a good idea about a year ago but the mess is such that no amount of NATO or UN help will make any difference." All you needed was "get out" as an option.






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Euphen Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:14 PM
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14. The attack on the UN headquarters in Baghdad last August
showed that the Iraqi resistance doesn't distinguish between the UN and the US. Also, many soldiers from other countries have died and continue to die in the fighting. Kucinich's plan would only mean that more non-American soldiers would be killed in the place of Americans, and that Europe would join in the looting of Iraq's natural resources.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:31 PM
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6. Cascadian why do you seem insistent on bashing Kerry?
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:46 PM
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10. I am not bashing him, but I am just telling how I feel.
I am not just going to stand silent if I disagree with what he does. Albeit I am voting for him in November. I just wished he would change his tune about Iraq.


John
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:59 PM
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11. My apologies IF I have read more into your posts that what is ...
Edited on Sat May-15-04 11:12 PM by Rebellious Republica
there. However between the wording of this thread combined with the poll and your response on another thread it comes across that way.

Cascadian (1000+ posts) Sat May-15-04 10:27 PM
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19. That is such an lame excuse.

Edited on Sat May-15-04 10:27 PM by Cascadian
"We broke it we fix" is such a shortsighted view. It's like trying to fix a bee hive after you knock it over. It is about time the U.S. forces got out of Iraq. I honestly do not think the world community is going to want to come in and get us out of the mess we created. Even if they did, you will still the same carnage and bloodshed. Iraq will become Kerry's downfall as much as it is becoming Bush's downfall.

John







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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:43 PM
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7. If Kerry is the Washington phony I think he is he'll switch to a "get out"
position. Otherwise, he should realize that we CAN'T simply "get out" now and will work with the U.N. to get a true multinational force in Iraq (and sacrifice the U.S. monopoly on the reconstruction contracts).

It should be interesting...
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:45 PM
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8. This is what I am hoping will happen.
He must know somwhere in his head that he cannot win in Iraq. He is just trying to place to the centrists. Once he is in the White House, he can do a double take and pull them all out. I hope this is what happens. I will have new found respect for him then.

John
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Euphen Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:45 PM
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16. The majority of people already feel the Iraq War hasn't been
worth the costs, and if things continue going the way they are now by November the majority will probably support an immediate withdrawal. I think Kerry is being completely honest when he promises to "stay the course."
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freeforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:46 PM
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9. I can tell you...
that UN or not, we don't want any part of it, thanks!
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:01 PM
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12. There you go.
Canada has a better and more open world view than what is viewed in America. I think people around the world should email or write to John Kerry and convince him to change course about Iraq.

Thank you up there in the Great White North.

:hi:


John
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:02 PM
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13.  Say "Stay the course" until after the election. Then get the hell out.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:25 PM
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15. He needs to talk about exit strategy
In order to get elected, he can't be Bush-lite.

Then people will simply not vote at all.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 02:12 AM
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17. kick
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:23 AM
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18. He should unveil a new strategy
It's obvious that the UN really doesn't want to get itself into this. Few countries seem interested in sending their troops to occupy Iraq.

Kerry's plan right now seems somewhat outdated to say the least. A new strategy must be unveiled soon, but I would wait a few more weeks...Perhaps at or around the convention so that the message would have a chance of being heard.
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 09:38 AM
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20. How about halfway?
No total withdrawal, as it would create chaos.

No continued occupation, since occupiers are always hated.

Forces will still be needed for peacekeeping. Without international peacekeepers, Iraq will drift further into a state of civil war. The US will need to admit its mistakes and relinquish command.
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