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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:39 PM
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A time line of the Berg film
sequence of events on the tape with special notice of the irregularities that I noticed. I try not to include too much of what has already been said:

time
on clock:

13:26:24- Nick in the chair telling his name and other info.

2:18:27- camera shifts to Nick in the same chair 11 hours earlier

Break: Nick is now on the floor seated in front of the five people.

2:40:03 #3 (in the middle;1 to 5 are left to right in the lineup.
Speech begins.
2:40:03- #5 wipes his nose with his left hand, not a very Islamic move

2:40:46- #3 folds the first page in half and keeps on reading
He then changes awkwardly flipping the pages several timed, but the voice is not slowed down while his eyes are off the page

2:42:11- I notice that #3 keeps moving his head from the pages to the camera very frequently and there is more page flipping where the voice does not take a pause.

2:43:32- More page flipping while the voice goes on

2:44:03- The blood curding scream while Nick is still sitting in the chair and #3 is still reading

2:44:07 #3 reaches under his shirt and pulls out a rather long knife- about a foot long blade and gives his papers to #4

2:44:10-11 -Nick is knocked over and is on the floor on his left side. The knife is put to his neck, but it does not look like he has been cut yet.

13:45:49- clock jumps 11 HOURS and the camera angle changes a bit as does Nick's position. (this is however only about 19 minutes after the first few seconds at the beginning of the tape).

13:45:49- tape gets fuzzy and there are choking noises that are pretty bad.
13:46:19- #3 is finishing off the head while #2 is holding Nick's arm.It seems as if any motion of Nick's body are due to #'s 2&3 pulling on his body, not any resistance, which has been mercifully absent since this last filming segment started.

13:46:31- Head is being severely tilted back as what looks like the last cut in being made

13:47:48- ANOTHER TAPE GAP: This segment begins with #2 lifting up the head. How did it get transfered to him?

Just a couple of observations:
1-By the time any cutting started on the neck, the body was lifeless.
2.Nick was not killed directly after being pushed over; that was some 11 hours earlier
3. The severed head did not look tormented.
4 Between 13:26:24 (when Nick is last seen sitting in the chair in the very first clip) and 13:45:49 or so (when the cutting started in earnest, the body has become lifeless. How is unclear. I hope this helps.



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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:43 PM
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1. Gruesome.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:46 PM
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2. So if it's a 2 camera shoot, what country is 11 hrs away from Iraq?
Edited on Sat May-15-04 08:51 PM by soothsayer
or countries I mean.

Maybe honolulu in one direction, san fran in the other?
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:57 PM
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3. All of Iraq's neighbors but Iran are 1 hour earler
A competent analysis of the video is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:43 PM
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4. Um, maybe the camera wasn't set correctly to the time?
Why is anyone even assuming ANY of the timestamps are accurate?

Possible explanations:

1. One camera set in one country, owner travelled around, never reset the time for Iraq.

2. One camera's battery ran down, was replaced, time not reset.

3. BOTH cameras not showing even remotely accurate time for Iraq. . . . . .
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:47 PM
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5. probably because the
minutes of the two cameras are roughly equal.. Indicating they were both set, but one may have been set in Baghdad, and one somewhere in Pakistan.
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:51 PM
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6. 2 cameras. 1 with the incorrect time. nt
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:16 PM
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7. I thought of that too. It could make sence.
The thread mentioned with about 100 posts certainly covers that possibility quite well. There are still many questions.
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