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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:53 PM
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A MUST READ.............................
Edited on Sat May-15-04 05:17 PM by elf
when P Buchanan is writing this, we know it's really bad for the administration!A Time for Truth

by Patrick J. Buchanan
With pictures of the sadistic sexual abuse of Iraqis in Abu Ghraib prison still spilling out onto the front pages, it is not too early to draw some conclusions.

The neoconservative hour is over. All the blather about "empire," our "unipolar moment," "Pax Americana" and "benevolent global hegemony" will be quietly put on a shelf and forgotten as infantile prattle.

America is not going to fight a five- or 10-year war in Iraq. Nor will we be launching any new invasions soon. The retreat of American empire, begun at Fallujah, is underway.

With a $500 billion deficit, we do not have the money for new wars. With an Army of 480,000 stretched thin, we do not have the troops. With April-May costing us a battalion of dead and wounded, we are not going to pay the price. With the squalid photos from Abu Ghraib, we no longer have the moral authority to impose our "values" on Iraq.

Bush's "world democratic revolution" is history.

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=2553

READ MORE under this link!!!!!!!!!!!! very interesting and telling because it's from Pat Buchanan! This entire article is importand to read!
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:54 PM
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1. Hi elf
Please edit your post to four paragraphs, and provide a link. Thanks!
DU moderator
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:02 PM
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4. sorry
still trying to figure out how to do things on this board, I will do my best
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:03 PM
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6. but how do I edit, there is no field to klick on
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:04 PM
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7. just click EDIT
Edited on Sat May-15-04 05:04 PM by nostamj
at the bottom of your original post.

scroll past the "display" of the post to see the edit window

the link is a few posts down from here, you can copy/paste that into your OP
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:07 PM
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11. did that
thanks,I will do better in the future :-)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:08 PM
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12. practice makes
Edited on Sat May-15-04 05:09 PM by nostamj
'near' perfect....

i've had over 10,000 posts to get it 'usually' right...

;-)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:30 PM
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26. Welcome to DU !!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:58 PM
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2. rats from a sinking ship hehehehe eom
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:13 PM
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13. Pat actually jumped ship quite a while back. He was anti-Invasion
from the start
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:59 PM
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3. God Help Me....


But I'm acutally AGREEING with Pat Buchanan!!!!!! OMFG!!!!

Just this once though.....I promise.....must lie down now.
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:29 AM
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29. Yes indeed
Times are strange when an ultra liberal (like me) actually agrees with an ultra conservative like Pat on issues.

Bottom line: maybe we are the true patriots who really do love our country even though we approach issues from totally different sides.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:02 PM
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5. A link
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:06 PM
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9. another found on google
http://www.theamericancause.org /

Yours is better than mine... :)
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:05 PM
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8. Love it!!!!
A lot of people who would dismiss such an article by a liberal writer will actually pay attention to Buchanon. He gives conswervatives cover to do the right thing and oppose Bush*s fiasco.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:07 PM
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10. That man sure can write. I usually enjoy hearing his views.
He has the facts and is not afraid to use them.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:15 PM
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15. He is not afraid
and that is exactly the point!

Too many people are afraid to say what they think, and if I look back it started really getting bad after 911.
Remember when Bush said (paraphrasing): If you are not with us, you are against us!

I was shocked that time, when I heard that. We are not living in a totalitarian state!

BTW I'm German with Green Card and my sences are highly sensitive about leaders like him!
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:22 PM
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16. Welcome!
To DU and the United States!
I am glad this forum helps you see we are not all like the totalitarians that seem to have taken over our country.

I am going to go do something foolishly brave and post this on FreeRepublic. I am sure they will ping me but w.t.f. I've been pinged by them before.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:28 PM
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17. hey if you do that, post the freeper link would ya please?
i gotta read this hehehe
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:06 PM
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20. Iamjoy seems to have it done
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136311/posts

they don't know how to react to this, go read
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:08 PM
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21. ROFL they pulled the thread!!! Reason? "posted by troll" eom
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:38 PM
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27. here's a thread they left up if anyone cares to read it
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:53 PM
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18. YOU DID IT????
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136311/posts

The Freepers are speachless!!!!!!!!!!

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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:08 PM
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22. 7.05 the thread is pulled!!
so much about freedom of speech
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:14 PM
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23. Wilkommen, elf!
I hope you have "viel spass" here at DU!!!

Please spread the word to your European friends that not ALL of America has gone completely mad. Only about half of us have gone completely mad, it would seem. :-)

Welcome to DU!!!
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:28 PM
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25. Thanks
VERY IMPORTANT:

Every time I'm in Germany I've got a lot questions about living here!
Germans like to discuss and the first thing I tell them:

DON'T CONFUSE 'THE AMERICANS' WITH "THE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION!'
This opens always a door to a very good discussion, because I know both sides and somebody who is not living here, does barely understand, who "the Americans" are. I know it and that's the reason, we are here and don't go back!!! :toast:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:14 PM
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14. I agree..
except for the part about the invasion being brilliantly executed.

I've heard that said frequently. Sure, it looked like we were winning a quick victory early on, but was due in large part to the fact that Saddam's army didn't bother to fight - they were able to flee and spread out across Iraq. We're paying a price for that so-called early victory now.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:54 PM
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19. Buchanan destroys Frum & Perle's book "An End To Evil"
It's incredible, but Buchanan has written quite a few excellent essays that do a better job of dismantling the neocons than most of what's written on the left. I've saved several of them, but this fairly lengthy critique of Frum & Perle's book is, IMO, perhaps his best.

March 1, 2004 issue
Copyright 2004 The American Conservative

No End to War


The Frum-Perle prescription would ensnare America in endless conflict.


By Patrick J. Buchanan

On the dust jacket of his book, Richard Perle appends a Washington Post depiction of himself as the intellectual guru of the hard-line neoconservative movement in foreign policy.

The gurus reputation, however, does not survive a reading. Indeed, on putting down Perles new book the thought recurs: the neoconservative moment may be over. For they are not only losing their hold on power, they are losing their grip on reality.

An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror opens on a note of hysteria. In the War on Terror, writes Perle, There is no middle way for Americans: It is victory or holocaust. What is new since 9/11 is the chilling realization that the terrorist threat we thought we had contained now menaces our survival as a nation.

But how is our survival as a nation menaced when not one American has died in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11? Are we really in imminent peril of a holocaust like that visited upon the Jews of Poland?


Read more:
http://www.amconmag.com/3_1_04/cover.html
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:48 AM
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30. Sometimes Patrick J. Buchanan can be enlightening, but other times......
Edited on Sun May-16-04 08:51 AM by nolabels
watch out. I would say Nixon's old speech writer will be softened up enough to be thinking about what the "L" word really means by the time he gets to be about 90. But till he gets to the century mark I am still going to be skeptical

on edit: besides what sense would it make to aggree with anyone :crazy:
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:50 AM
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31. "infantile prattle"
when he reads that, I can just imagine the arrogant Perle will burst wide open.

Hehe
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:27 PM
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24. kick
:kick:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:39 PM
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28. Nice Find! I loved it.
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