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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:07 PM
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Europeans Like Bush Even Less Than Before
Edited on Sat May-15-04 04:18 PM by G_j
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/09/international/europe/...

May 9, 2004

Europeans Like Bush Even Less Than Before

By SARAH LYALL


LONDON, May 8 - Earlier this year, George Osborne, a Conservative member of Parliament, took a straw poll of some legislators from his party. The subject was President Bush. The results were not pretty.

"George Bush scares the hell out of me," one Tory said, according to an article by Mr. Osborne in The Spectator. Another told him: "Bush is a man who might wail at the moon. I don't feel comfortable with him." A third said that while he would vote for Bush in November if he could, "I think Anglo-American relations would be better if Kerry won."

That was long before pictures showing the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners were published all over the world, horrifying even Mr. Bush's allies. And the people Mr. Osborne polled were all Conservatives, by tradition and temperament the Republican Party's natural friends across the Atlantic.

But perhaps the only surprising thing about the vehemence of anti-Bush feeling, based on a reading of newspapers, opinion polls and interviews around Europe, is how unsurprising it truly is. In fact, one reason the recent disclosures have proved so damaging to the American cause here is that Mr. Bush had so little good will upon which to draw.

Across Europe, anti-Bush feeling has contributed to a consensus that the coming American election is of singular importance: for the United States, certainly, but also for the rest of the world. Anxieties about the direction America is going are accompanied more often than not by a passionate desire, cutting across national borders and party lines, to see President Bush voted out of office in November.

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http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=2581

A Pointless Quest: Bush's Mission to Europe

by Christopher Deliso
balkanalysis.com

Last November, when George W. Bush traveled to London for an official state visit, pundits wondered if the timing could possibly have been worse. Both Bush and his British counterpart Tony Blair were then "mired in slumping approval ratings" because of the shoddy state of occupied Iraq. The American public would get a taste of how their supreme leader is perceived abroad, with televised footage of anti-Bush protests and denunciations from the likes of Ken Livingston, Mayor of London, who called Bush "the greatest threat to life on this planet."

Nevertheless, Bush slogged through, leaving only a huge security bill and a few million disgruntled Londoners in his wake. In the end, while his tour of Britain did little to restore the luster to American diplomacy, it didn't hurt it much either.

Those must seem like the good old days now. In June, Bush is heading back to Europe. He's set to hit four major countries on what will certainly be the most scrutinized tour of his presidency. Now, the continuing disintegration of Iraq and the unfolding prisoner torture scandal have only heightened the disdain many Europeans feel for the already unpopular commander-in-chief. For sure, the timing is definitely worse.

Perhaps the president's advisors feel that a month of diplomacy in June will pay dividends for Bush. Pressing the flesh, symbolic photo opportunities, carefully-scripted contrition, and hours of backroom negotiation what's not to like about it?

Yet after a closer investigation of the prevailing mood in Europe, one has to ask: George, why bother?
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Edit to add one more article:

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2922106

Anti-War Campaigners Announce Bush Visit Demos

By Victoria Ward, PA News


Politicians and activists today announced protests to coincide with US President George Bushs visit to Ireland.

The Irish Anti-War Movement (IAWM) unveiled the Stop Bush Campaign and outlined plans for mass demonstrations in Dublin and at Dromoland Castle when the President visits from June 25-26.

Chairman Richard Boyd-Barrett was joined by Labour, Sinn Fein and Green party MEP candidates, Socialist party leader Joe Higgins, the Peace and Neutrality Alliance and the NGO Peace Alliance to urge people to take to the streets and protest against the occupation of Iraq.

They also appealed to the Irish government to stop the use of Shannon airport by US troops en route to Iraq.

Mr Boyd-Barrett claimed that what he called lies about weapons, the massacre of civilians and the latest obscene pictures showing Iraqi prisoners being tortured, confirmed the importance of expressing strong opposition to the war.

We are calling on people from throughout Ireland and from all walks of life to come out and express their opposition to George Bush and to war, he said.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:11 PM
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1. This was why it was so weird when they made a big brouhaha
about Kerry having foreign leaders' support. Everyone with a brain knows it is true.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:14 PM
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2. that top article says the British prefer Kerry by 56 to 22 percent. nt
nt
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:14 PM
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3. "Less than before"; Is it possible ?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:16 PM
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4. * is encouraging others to consume, leading by example.
He knows he's up diarrhea creek without a paddle.

He'll use AirForce 1 to go to a frigging nascar game.

He'll spout mindless nonsense like "We need an energy policy that encourages consumption" (while proceeding to sign laws giving tax incenstives to buyers of Hummers and SUVs).

Not to mention the deficit... :scared:

He's the archetypal American. Doing what he wants, when he wants to, with no consideration for others - both geographically or temporally. Future generations will hate this scumbag* and past ones wouldn't be too keen on him* either, methinks...

He knows it's all over. Let's follow suit.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:21 PM
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5. is this an actual quote?
"We need an energy policy that encourages consumption"

sounds like Bush :think:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:34 PM
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6. "We need an energy policy that encourages consumption"
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:37 PM
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7. Yes, 2,4 more than the European and ...
1/3 of the daily oil consumption of the world.

The last drip of oil will be for you.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:39 PM
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8. If only Americans were as educated & aware
as the Europeans, we never would have had this guy as President.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:56 PM
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9. That's an absolute mystery for us
Edited on Sat May-15-04 05:01 PM by BonjourUSA
I said that in another thread :
I listened this morning a French radio report at Harward. 90% students are Rep and support Bush. They want to fire their profs because they are Dem. Aren't they educated ?
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:04 PM
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10. at Harvard?
Edited on Sat May-15-04 05:31 PM by Kellanved
I wonder; I spent a short time at Yale and found the Profs and the Students very liberal (with few exceptions). Even political discussions simply started, and it was always like 95% "not Bush", 4 % "not Kerry either" and 1% Bush :shrug:.
The level was not quite up to the discussions I'm used to have in Europe, at least not on European affairs .

As to Harvard: My understanding is that Harvard's students and Profs are among the most active in supporting the defeat of Bush. :shrug:
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:18 PM
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12. Comment of a prof
It's only a swing pendulum (mouvement de balancier). The same move happened in Reagan's era. The cost of this university is very expensive, the students are born in the richest familly, the most conservative.

But, I'm astonished and affraid too. Because these kids are Rep and said to approve Bush for religious reasons !!
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:38 PM
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16. that's strange
Especially Harvard has some very fair plans for "weaker" families to pay for the tution. Nothing like we have in Europe, but entering a Grande cole isn't exactly easy either.

Well, Yale is very proud about being an international University and the Department of Germany Studies probably isn't very typical.
My opinion about Harvard is basically founded on this Spiegel article, marking Harvard students and profs as being busy fighting against Bush:

http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/wunderbar/0,1518,29618...
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eurolefty Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:10 PM
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11. Don't be so hard on yourselves
Bush only got minority of votes.

Actually, some people are jokingly suggesting, that Europe should send over observers to see that this time American people really get their votes counted. :)
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:27 PM
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13. "for us" : European
the 9/11, the titles of the French newspapers were "we all are American"... But I'm French
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:30 PM
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14. well Italy has Silvio Berlusconi and the UK has Blair
Spain dumped their pro-Bush leadership. :toast:

all three countries had larger anti-war demos than the US I believe.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:34 PM
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15. Good point
But Bush wins the race... Perhaps, with Berlus just beside him
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:02 PM
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17. oh yes
Bush can take pride in having done more damage to the world at large than anyone since... need I say it?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:46 PM
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18. I'd love to see that headline monthly. Unfortunately ...

his numbers in Europer are so low it's hard to imagine how they could get much lower.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:31 AM
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19. kick
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:04 AM
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22. Well gee, good contribution here.

NOT!

:puke:
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:01 AM
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21. What do Europeans like Bush even?
Are you talking about them using levelers? What are they evening less than they did before?
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 05:12 AM
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23. Suggest you take lessons in the English language ...
... before you try to poke fun in it ...

> What do Europeans like Bush even?

> ... levelers?

I'm sure some of our French DUers would be willing to assist :-)
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