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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:01 PM
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Poll question: China - what worries you more?
See choices below.

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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polar Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:07 PM
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1. Liquor...
Sorry, the liquor choice was just the obvious...
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:54 PM
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2. In 20 years they'll be a superpower...
and then there will be all hell to pay.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:16 PM
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3. Yep!
And they have only started to use energy and materials.

I've been worried about China for 25 years. Iraq, hah! Iraq is childsplay compared to what China has to mete out. And by then, we'll be completely broke.
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Bob Moss Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:18 PM
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4. I like China
I want them to invade us and replace * with a progressive.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:38 PM
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5. Uh huh....
that's special...

Tell me, will you enjoy their 1 child only program? Or their gulag program? Or their using political prisoners as an organ donor bank?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:40 PM
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6. Couldn't be any worse than our
rape women and children program.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:11 PM
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9. Riiiiiight....
You keep telling yourself that.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:12 PM
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10. So are you denying it happened?
nt
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:18 PM
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13. No....
but I don't see a population-wide forced rape and child abuse program in the US. China DOES quash religious freedoms, there's no freedom of speech, and you need a fucking license before you can have a baby. Failure to get a license will result in a state-forced abortion.

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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:24 PM
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15. Tell it to the Iraqis.
nt
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:11 PM
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21. Not to dismiss your legitimate points about their human rights abuses, BUT
If there were some way to make sure a government bureaucracy wouldn't screw it up, I would damn well support forcing people to get a license before having children.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 12:24 AM
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22. To what purpose?
given your quote from Jefferson, that's a pretty outrageous statement.

Reproductive freedom is the MOST fundamental freedom out there. What business is it of the Government's if people have children? More importantly, where would the government get the right to force people to get a license to exercise a basic human freedom?

The day our government tries to force people to get a license to have children is the day I start actively working to tear the government down by ANY means necessary.

The State exists to serve the people. The people do not exist to serve the State. The people existing to serve the State is called Fascism. We've been down that road before in the US, and the result was court-ordered forced sterilization of "social undesireables". Thanks, but NO FUCKING THANKS. :grr:
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:15 PM
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17. at least they are lefties
(sarcasm)
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:41 PM
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20. Sure are....if you consider authoritarianism leftist n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:53 PM
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8. Comparatively speaking, I presume?
Corporate america and China have a lot in common...

Welcome to DU, though the little fairy in me tells me there's something not quite right with your post... Do you really want the US to be invaded?
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:14 PM
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12. Buh-bye!
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:41 PM
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7. Their policies of slave labor keep Walmart in business
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:13 PM
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11. The fact that we owe the country to them...........
worries me. All this money we've been borrowing, guess who we have been borrowing FROM? Yep. CHINA! THAT really worries me.
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lyrical di Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 01:41 PM
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23. absolutely right
You nailed it. Congressmen on the hill are worried about this and that the general public doesn't know and doesn't seem to care.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:22 PM
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14. China isn't a worry for me.
As they industrialize global environmental problems will become worse, but that is an issue where *all* human beings need to be on the same page.

With regard to WMD threats, I'm very concerned about Iran, and am somewhat concerned about Kim Jong Il over on the pennisula.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:32 PM
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16. Their totalitarian government and continued human rights abuses.
Edited on Sat May-15-04 05:33 PM by Zorra
Serious and widespread human rights violations continue

China's human rights record remains extremely poor, and there are few signs that the authorities are willing to make the fundamental legal and institutional changes necessary to address the serious and widespread abuses which have continued across the country over the last 15 years. For example:

Crackdown on Internet users: Amnesty International has raised concerns over the rising numbers of people detained or sentenced for peacefully expressing their views or downloading information on the Internet in China. By the end of March 2004, at least 60 people had been detained or imprisoned after accessing or circulating politically sensitive information on the Internet. It is widely regarded that the Internet censorship practised by the Chinese government is the most extensive in the world, and many of the toughest controls have been issued since 2000. Over the past years web-sites of human rights organisations, including Amnesty International, and several international news sites have been regularly blocked by government-controlled routers.

Death penalty: China continues to execute more people than the rest of the world combined. Executions are carried out following trials that fall far short of international fair trial standards. The death penalty continues to be used extensively and arbitrarily as a result of political interference. People continue to be executed for non-violent crimes such as tax fraud and pimping as well as drug offences and violent crimes.

Torture, unfair trials and administrative detention: Torture and ill-treatment remain widespread in police stations, prisons and labour camps, including kicking, beating, electric shocks, suspension by the arms, shackling in painful positions, and sleep and food deprivation. People accused of both political and criminal offences continue to be denied due process and detainees' access to lawyers and family members is severely restricted. China's system of "Re-education through Labour" continues to allow for the detention of hundreds of thousands of people for up to three years without charge or trial.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/china/document.do?i...
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:22 PM
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18. I think we are supporting Communism
by dealing with them and exporting our wealth over there.

I remeber Tianemen Square a few years ago. There Gov is being rewarded for abusing peoples rights.

If I had any say they would be off limits to anyone in a US based corporation . How does exporting the wealth of our nation to China help us? Cheap products are OK but there are far more important things to consider, like raising families on a living wage.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:24 PM
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19. Other.
Oil.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 02:02 PM
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24. The fact that they are both in space and a nuclear power.
:scared: :scared:
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 02:02 PM
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25. in the near term their economy is what will affect us most.
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