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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:13 AM
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Be aware, very graphic.................Iraqi In Custody Tortured To Death
Edited on Sat May-15-04 09:47 AM by elf
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2004/051504tort...
My first post, hope it's OK but the PICTURE IS GRAPHIC
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friendofbenn Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:18 AM
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1. kick
:kick:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:18 AM
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2. thanks. Well, actually it is very sad.
We need to change course in this nation. We need a complete house, and senate cleaning, but first when need to remove the stain on the whitehouse.

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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:23 AM
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3. You ain't kiddin.
I used to just want them voted out of office, now ....................
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:18 PM
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36. I have never experienced a more corrupt administration. John Dean was
right when he says that this administration makes the Nixon administration look good.


Actually, If I had a choice between GW and Nixon, I would take Nixon. Nixon had some serious character flaws, but unlike bush, he had a core decency. It showed when he would do the right thing like the environmental rules he supported. He may have had to do them out of PR considerations, but he did it. Bush doesn't even try. I guess you can act that way when you are God's Favorite son.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:28 AM
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4. Jeesh - without examination, it was determined he "died in his sleep"
Important story. Just a suggestion: a more specific subject line might draw it more attention, if you still have time to edit.

Thanks Elf, and welcome! :hi:

From the link:

Apparently without doing an examination, and according to the documents, without performing an autopsy, the pathologist Luis A. Santiago wrote that the man had died in his sleep. The US troops handed the body, including the death certificate, over to the International Red Cross shortly thereafter.

American troops had previously arrested the respected family patriarch on an open road and taken him to the American military base Al Asad west of the town of Khan al Baghdad. Ostensibly there was suspicion that he belonged to the Iraqi resistance. The soldiers are alleged to have put enormous pressure on Asad Abdul Kareem Abdul Jaleel in the base prison. Another prisoner gave Spiegel TV a detailed description of how the 47 year old was tortured in a sadistic manner for five days. The witness says that the soldiers also took photographs of the abuse.

...

Even a layman can easily recognize the obvious effects of violence on the pictures of the body: Large, dark bruises that could come from beatings can be seen on both sides of the body. On the wrists and ankles there are bruises, which presumably date back to many days of captivity. There are bruises from beatings or other forms of violent impact on the back. Other lacerations on the upper body point to injuries which can hardly be called "natural".

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:34 AM
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5. way back when, a couple months in the mission accomplished
i remember a story of 3 young iraqi guys stopped at a check point. may have been four. and they were cuffed and thrown in the river. 3 drowned and one survived or something. anyway that was right as stuff was getting going adn saw then we werent following the rules and saw these people as animals. they werent part of the fighting force

there are a lot of stories that havent gotten out

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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:41 AM
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6. Obviously it isn't just torture we are talking about,
it is murder. Murder sanctioned and approved by the DOD and the White House.

Disgrace just doesn't seem a strong enough definition.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:44 AM
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7. Looks like any normal frat prank to me........
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:09 AM
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10. Lieberman, Inhofe, IA congressman and Rush have made it open season
on new fraternity/sorority recruits during Rush Week. Abu Ghraib "hazing" tactics will be on the IN list next SY.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:24 AM
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17. yeah - just "letting off a little steam"
on some "Sub-humans" - "it's not like he ws a real man or something..." :puke:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:45 AM
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8. According to the US authorities
Edited on Sat May-15-04 09:46 AM by Tinoire
This father of 7 died from "natural causes". If only the neo-cons and their supporters would pass to the other side from such "happy" deaths.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:06 AM
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9. That photo doesn't show any abuse.
It is normal for a body to look like that when it begins to rot. I'm curious what the other side looks like though.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:18 AM
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14. Looks like rigor mortis set in while
he was lying on GI-type steel mattress springs.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:21 AM
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15. Yep and then the blood settled...
into the back...which is normal...I would like to see an autopsy done on this guy.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:26 AM
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18. Autopsy Forbitten.................!!!
Employees of the Forensic Pathology Institute in Baghdad confirm that among the bodies that the International Red Cross has handed over to them on behalf of the Americans there are always victims of torture. However, the Iraqi pathologists are forbidden to do their own investigation as long as there is an American death certificate - even if the information about the cause of death is obviously false.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:27 AM
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19. He looked a lot healthier before US custody
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:51 PM
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33. Intelligent well loved looking kids wonder if they are enjoying

Bush's version of Democracy.

Pure Evil
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:02 PM
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34. If I were one of those kids...you can bet your ass there'd be some
targets on the backs of the murderers of my father. Funny how this simple bit of human nature escapes Americans.

RC
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:13 PM
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35. jr. and his mentor
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:38 AM
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23. The body was in rigor mortis and was not yet decomposing...
...and if the man had died on his back, the blood would have pooled internally along his ENTIRE back, not just certain areas around his kidneys, waist, and upper back. Additionally, there appears to be bruising around the one wrist that is visible which indicates the presence of some kind of binding, probably those plastic "handcuffs" we've seen so often on television over the last few years.

His legs and and head appear to be quite dark, indicating either heavy bruising and/or the pooling of blood in those areas after death. It's possible that the man was lying on a short slatted bench that supported only his back while his head and legs dangled over the ends of the bench.

It may also be posible that the man died while resting on his front, with his head and legs dangling, and was later turned over onto a slatted bench sometime after his death, and sometime prior to the onset of rigor mortis.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:10 AM
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11. Holy shit! This is no isolated incident either....
:( :mad: :grr:


<snip>

The US Army Remains Silent

About five bodies with US Armed Forces death certificates are handed over every week in Baghdad alone, according to the employees of the Institute. The established practice of the Americans is to declare bodies that come from the prison at Abu Ghuraib as victims of grenade attacks on the camp. This was the case with the bodies of 26 detainees last week, even though only some of the bodies showed injuries typical of grenade attacks, the employees said.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:12 AM
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12. Anyone See Lynndie's Lawyers? Shoshawna Johnson was Awesome!
Also the lawyers for Graner. They both gave me the creeps.

Johnson was on Larry King and went right in Lynndie's lawyers (one who I swear came right out of "Rent-A-Wreck" Law School) faces about "taking orders". She said "we weren't trained to disrespect people before we joined the military". This lady is incredible, I sure hope the Democratic party is in touch with her...a real hero and a future Congresswoman.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:35 AM
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22. Yep, saw it
Johnson is fantastic. I'm not surprised by what she said, as she comes from a military family and I'm sure that the regular army is appalled by what was done.

I'd gladly donate to any campaign she enters. Do you know what congressional district she lives in?
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:41 AM
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26. She's From Houston
Wouldn't it be wonderful if she was from DeLay's area...LOL.

Remember, her father spoke out against the regime when his daughter was captured and was painted a "kook". She and the other POW on the show were great examples of what the military really is about.

We have to be careful in how we reach out to these folks, they've been crapped on real bad the past four years.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:45 AM
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31. Here is another picture of this guy. Clearly shows abuse.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:15 AM
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13. The US Army Remains Silent
Employees of the Forensic Pathology Institute in Baghdad confirm that among the bodies that the International Red Cross has handed over to them on behalf of the Americans there are always victims of torture. However, the Iraqi pathologists are forbidden to do their own investigation as long as there is an American death certificate - even if the information about the cause of death is obviously false.

The US Army Remains Silent

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:24 AM
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16. I put the story in LBN
hope you don't mind.

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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:27 AM
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20. Go ahead and spread this everywhere...............
BTW what is LBN?
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Athame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:39 AM
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24. LBN = Latest Breaking News (eom)
eom=end of message

Welcome to DU alphabet soup. :hi:
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:34 AM
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21. Latest Breaking News
Thank you I got it :-)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:21 AM
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28. Thanks so much for posting this
we just gotta keep reading those foreign news papers to find out what's going on.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:36 AM
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30. Reading the latest NEWS international
a very good link!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.whatreallyhappened.com /

Read it every morning and think about, most of them are at least 6 hours (Eastern) ahead of us. There is already a lot to read, when we just got up.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:40 AM
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25. The World Is Watching
After the shock of the abuse photos, there's a worse new allegation against US troops. Spiegel TV has acquired written and oral documentation indicating that a 47 year old Iraqi was tortured to death in American custody. The Americans are alleged to have attempted to cover the case up.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:50 AM
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27. more about this case..........this time in Oman News!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Sat May-15-04 10:51 AM by elf
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sazdem Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 11:24 AM
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29. So
Every photo of a dead Iraqi or any other person will automatically be seen as American military torture and abuse.
If we want to stop this nonsense we need to get out of Iraq....NOW
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:36 PM
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32. Danish medics reported seeing tortured Iraqis
Edited on Sat May-15-04 12:39 PM by elf
more to come, the INTERNET has no boardershttp://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3566592&the...
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