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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:28 AM
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On Hannity And Savage Playing The Audio Of Berg's Beheading
Twice now, I have inadvertently heard the audio of Berg screaming. Both times, I had no idea I would hear it. I did not want to hear it. What are their motivations?

I think it is to desensitize us to horrible violence and to prey on emotions (as they always do). However, I don't hear them playing audios of American soldiers screaming and moaning when killed in battle in Iraq. I'm sick of this fascist RW talk radio.

BTW, I noticed on takebackthemedia.org that there is a page set up to contact Limbaugh's advertisers and advise them of a boycott. I was surprised to see that several advertisers have stopped advertising on his show due to complaints.

I wish we all had the time to start E-mailing and calling the sponsors of these lying, false, propagandist shows.

What do you think?
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Goldom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:32 AM
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1. what the heck?
I saw on news today some radio guy got fired for playing that, but these guys can get away with it?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:34 AM
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3. they got fired for laughing and making jokes during the scream
But I'd be happy if they fired Hannity and Savage for just playing it. Fat chance.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:36 AM
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4. Here's my take on it
Edited on Sat May-15-04 12:36 AM by mzpip
THe creeps in Oregon were fired for making fun of it.

Hannity and Savage can get away with it because they are trying to inflame hatred towards the rag heads. <sarcasm> That's ok, you see. They are doing the BushCo's PR. BUsh won't say it as long as he has his wacko followers doing it for him.

MzPip
:dem:
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:42 AM
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7. I'm glad you brought that up!
Savage also asked today why Jewish broadcasters aren't expressing outrage over Berg's beheading. He specifically mentioned Larry King, Dan Rather, Wolf Blitzer and a couple of others.

Is Michael Weiner a Jew?

I've wondered if Bush's foreign policy has been unduly influenced by Jews, as Wolfowitz and Perle, but then I read of the strong ties between the Bush and Saudi families and get confused.

What's up with this?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:51 AM
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11. Well, I haven't
heard every word spoken by The "Jewish" broadcasters,it seems like pretty much everyone was pretty grossed out by it. I don't know how much "outrage" needs to happen or what more outrage would look like.

What are we supposed to do with this? Nuke 'em? This was horrible. The whole damn war is horrible.

Savage is trying to prop up support for his boy king. IF fannig the flames of hatred helps, he'll do it.

MzPip
:dem:
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:53 AM
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13. Good Questions...you should start a separate topic on this...
It's often very confusing to me to see Bush Co's foreign policy re. Israel (and ofcourse his influence by Richard Perle, Wolfowitz, etc.) and then to know about the strong ties with the Bin Laden Families and House of Saud.

Would be an interesting discussion...
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:13 AM
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29. Don't let Savage's "religion" fool you.
The Southern Poverty Law Center labeled him an anti-Semite, regardless of the religion he was born into.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?...
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:21 AM
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34. Wow
Thanks for the info. Savage is all over the place. I sincerely believe he is mentally ill.
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:24 AM
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35. Weiner is a SELECTIVE Jew...
Wiener will act like like hes pro-jewish if its for his nutty right wing adgenda BUT If a person is Jewish and a Democrat or lib then he acts like hes about to do a reading of Mein Kampf. Like the time he was calling the Iowa Primary he would say " Its Kosher-Kerry by a Nose! " and other times where he would go after Jewish Libs..Typical that Wiener is making a big deal about Berg is Jewish but I wonder if he knows that his dad was on a hate list over at free republic
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nayt Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:03 AM
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46. unduly influenced by "jews"?
you can't separate their politics from their race? how progressive. i'd say bush's foreign policy has been unduly influenced by warmongering assholes, what does being jewish have to do with it?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:37 AM
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5. Two Portland radio jocks got canned; they were joking about it
Edited on Sat May-15-04 12:39 AM by Straight Shooter
One of them is sooo sorry, says it's one of the worst things he's ever done and he really regrets it.

Anybody who does this kind of crap without warning is setting themselves up for a lawsuit because of psychological trauma to some kid who happens to be listening before the parent can get to the dial. What a bunch of shit-heads.

I think the Bergs should sue them, for all kinds of reasons, not least of which is mental cruelty. I hope this backfires on the Savage Weiner and smug-face.
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Baltimoreboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:45 AM
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So are you saying the tape is not news?
Because news tapes end up on the radio and TV don't they?

I doubt many kids listen to that crap, I know I can't stand it. But still, it is a news/talk program and designed for adults.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:56 AM
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14. Have you ever heard an audio of someone screaming while dying . . .
. . . on the news before?
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:13 AM
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28. I wish you would answer my question, Baltimoreboy
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:50 PM
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48. I'm not Baltimoreboy, but the last instance I could cite would be
Edited on Sat May-15-04 01:51 PM by elperromagico
Oswald's loud groan when he was shot. But that was live television...

EDIT: ... and it was over 40 years ago.
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Baltimoreboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:58 PM
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49. Off hand
No, though I can't say about the Daniel Pearl incident and that's also the only other time I recall someone being beheaded.

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:14 AM
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30. It's snuff radio n/t
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:40 AM
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39. Yes it is
But thank God I didn't see a woman's breast during the Super Bowl, like I have so many times in National Geographic. Of course, those breasts were from the descendants of slave families and their breasts aren't so damn offensive or important.
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charliebrown Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:51 AM
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10. Not in defense but, Hannity gave a lot of warning and a countdown.
It was on at my work that day and hannity warned for a few minutes beforehand that this would be disturbing. He then gave a countdown from 10-0 before he played it.

He is a total hack but He really did give lots of warning that it would be bad and kids and squemish should shut off for 30 secs to a minute.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:59 AM
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16. People, like me, tune in at random all of the time
And when I heard it on Savage's show it came immediately, with no warning, after a commercial break.

I guess I missed Hannity's warning because he played it RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS INTERVIEW WITH ZELL MILLER WITHOUT WARNING.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:08 AM
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:19 AM
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33. I'm happy to explain it to you
ON HANNITY'S SHOW:

I turned on the radio. Sean Hannity was interviewing Zell Miller. In the middle of the interview, WITHOUT WARNING, Hannity played the audio of Berg screaming and the killers yelling something.

ON SAVAGE'S SHOW:

I turned on the radio. Commercials were playing. The intro music began to play. The intro music stopped and the audio of Berg screaming and his killers yelling something began playing.

That is what happened. Prove me wrong.

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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:31 AM
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REVOLTING!! Both of them!! They make me SIck...
And ASHAMED that I share the same country with Hannity and Weiner!..They act like they are happy it happend. Oh lets play the audio of a man getting decapitated so we can use it for our own benefit..THEY are JUST AS GUILTY as Bush is for the death of Berg..The news needs to get out about this! I hope BOTH of them are taken off the air for this..The GOP double standard is making me ILL!
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charliebrown Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:37 AM
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37. I have no intention of proving you wrong.
I Dont know what savages show did...Its on at night here so I have never listened.

I did hear hannity that day and he gave warning a plenty. Thats last I will say cause I dont wanna get banned. I just know that I was listening same time you were and he said he would warn then counted down from 10-0.

I am not out to fight with you but I think truth is truth and if hannity gave warning, which he did, then thats truth . Like it or not. I dont like untruths by anyone and to say he didnt warn is not true. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:45 AM
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41. So you are calling me a liar
You are asserting that you were listening at the same time that I was listening. How do you know when I was listening? What is your power? Had you broken into my house, or were you astral projecting into the room I was in?

You must be a Freeper because you are pretending to know what I heard on the radio.

Again, that is a Hannity/Savage tactic.

I challenge you to admit that you do not know what I heard on the radio. If you stand by your story that you know to what I listened on the radio, please present your evidence.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:37 AM
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38. Why do you think I heard a warning? Please respond.
Do you hear what I hear? Did you tune in at the same time as I? On the same station?

Are you saying that I am a liar? That is a Hannity/Savage tactic. "Attack the messenger."

What is your motive?

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charliebrown Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:00 AM
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42. I was going to bed but since you said PLEASE..lol
I am not saying I heard what you heard but I am saying that if you heard all he said he did give more then enough warning. I am not defending hannity or savage. I find em both to be nothing more then talking heads. But I do know that hannity gave ample warning. Dont ask me about savage cause hes on at night and I am not at work where it is on and I have to listen.

Hannity was on and I heard the warning and thats all I know.

Maybe I am the freak on this board but if I know something isnt true, either way it might help or hurt, I will tell what I know to be true.

I meant no offense Wizard. Sorry if any was taken.

Mudd pies on me... :spank:
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. Thanks, and . . .
. . . I didn't hear the warning.

Sorry.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:01 AM
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17. You've gotta be fucking kidding
Some drive hour jocks were lampooning Berg's terror? Jesus Fucking Baldheaded Christ, I don't recognize what used to be America anymore.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #1
31. For sure the assassins are Indy Contractors. The idea is to take the heat
off of Bush and anger Americans..thats all!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:33 AM
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2. I Swear These Talking Heads Are Insighting A Civil War.
I seriously believe that me hear Republicans starting to attack random people believed to be political opposition. I mean come on, Freepers posted a Death List on the internet with the intention of harming Berg.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:38 AM
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6. What if Berg's father called in and dressed them down?
Better yet, call a press conference and read them the riot act.

It's almost as if the murder of Mr Berg didn't get the results they wanted, so now they've decided to turn it into a George Bush campaign commercial. How low can they go?
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:45 AM
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9. For the last two nights . . .
. . . Hannity has stated that he will not criticize Berg's father because he does not want to "add to his pain." That is the exact phrase Hannity has used two nights in a row.

SO, Hannity admits that when he personally attacks people he is "adding to their pain." What a great, Christian guy.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:57 AM
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15. Hannity has no conscience....Michael Berg on the other hand does...
...and courage...I thought how great it was that with all that is happening and the sorrow that he is feeling, that he had the courage to speak out against the Bush Co & Rummy machine....Bet that threw them all for a loop....I guess like Hannity, they are just waiting for the "mourning" period to be over before they start attacking and undermining Michael Berg's (and his son's) credibility, while shamelessly continuing to benefit by using his son's death to rally up the Freepers and Repukes in America for revenge.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:52 AM
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12. For the life of me..
I can't figure out why the RWers think the berg tape is such a good PR event for them. Does anyone (who isn't already a Bush worshipper) see that video and think, "wow, Bush is doing a great job"?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. I believe that Hannity, PigBoy, and the other Nazi DJs
actually believed the Berg beheading would bring "happy days are here
again" for their mentally challanged Fuhrer. I'm sure Ails and Rove had them totally convinced. Now they're reduced to playing the screams of a dying man over and over and over.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. they're NOT 'NAZIS'... so STOP SAYING THAT!


;->

peace
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #18
27. How about one with Hannity in an SS uniform.
That would be more appropriate.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:09 AM
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25. If Mr. Berg called in to dress them down . . .
. . . he would just get shouted over, asked a question, and if he didn't start answering the question to their liking, they would interrupt, out-shout him again and suppress his message while ranting until they pretended that he hung up, when he really got cut off.

That is their method of operation.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:43 AM
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8. OMG!

I'm glad I have Faux parental blocked.

The audio, to me, was the worst part of it. The images are bad enough, but combined with the audio ... it's haunting. I find it flashing into my mind every now and again with no warning, and it's always the audio that makes it so freakin horrid.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:02 AM
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19. These guys are both totally insane....
...Michael Savage has actually been advocating arresting ANY American citizen who speaks out against the Bush government, its policies and the war on terror in any negative way, as sedition and treason and to hold such people as full detainees under the conditions of the Patriot Acts I and II, no counsel, no official charges, no contact with anyone outside the detention facilities, in other-words, total suspension of all civil liberties and rights under the constitution. I never give Hannity any of my time, but if that jerk is pretty much advocating the same ideas, then both these men should be removed from public forums and maybe locked up in asylums for the conservatively degenerately insane. Add Limbaugh to that mass also. That idiot has taken to buying full page ads to shore up his image. He forgets that he has allowed himself to be tarred with the same BushCo brush. :wtf:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:03 AM
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20. the msg MUST get out!!!
isn't it a little wierd that we can air these horros but not our own :crazy:

peace
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:04 AM
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21. They do this to emphasize the Iraqis "arent' human"
So whatever we did to torture them is OK.

Get it?
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:07 AM
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23. no adjective can fully describe the repulsiveness of hannity.
i cannot imagine seeing or listening to that tape in its entirety. i only saw what was shown on CBS and it was enough to haunt me for days.

there is no justifiable excuse for what hannity did. i thank god for karma.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:10 AM
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26. More propaganda
It's their way of saying, "See. See. Look at all those bad Iraqis. They're so bad, they did this- to an American no less. How can this war be a mistake? We need to do all we call to 'support the troop's' and fight."
It's how they spin it. It's all about the fucking spin. Screw humanity. Screw decency. Forget about what the tired, worn out frat-boy/sorority girl pranks our soldiers did (possibly under orders), just stick your head in the sand and hate the bad brown people over there until Haliburton's milked this cash cow for all it's worth.
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billie_ Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:50 AM
Response to Reply #26
45. EXACTLY!
you got it SarahBelle!
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:16 AM
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32. let me get this straight. the FCC goes after Howard Stern for some
tits and ass bullshit and that's despicable. but hannity airs an audio tape of a REAL beheading of a young man's blood curdling screams without a REL consideration for the victim's family and friends? and that is OK??? :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

i hope when president kerry takes office, he will rehaul the FCC. little powell is a slimeball like his father. no integrity or character.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:43 AM
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40. hannity played that shit to promote his book, too
I posted this earlier, but it bears repeating. HE PLAYED THE AUDIO TO SELL MORE BOOKS, WHERE HE EQUATES LIBERALS AND TERRORISTS. AND HE DOES IT ON THE TWO LARGEST ABC STATIONS IN THE NATION (Of course liberal ABC hasn't recently decided not to disribute a Michael Moore film, have they?) One of his listeners typed out the whole transcript. Here's what he or she said:

"Here is a transcript of what Sean said immediately following the airing of the Nicholas Berg beheading on his radio show today:

(Audible sigh.) It, this, it's unbelievable. Do you see what we're up against? How could anybody do that to another human being? How is that possible? And this is, I wrote this book, and I, I've not talked about my book purposefully, because I just think so many people just talk their book ad nauseum, and I did not want to do that. I'd love for you to read it. It's in bookstores everywhere and it's on Hannity.com.

First, when has Sean ever been shy about mentioning his book on his show? But more to the point, is this a case of shameless self promotion in the face of tragedy? Bad timing? Other? It struck me as more than a little crass and self centered, considering what we'd all just heard."

http://www.hannity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52448&star...
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nicktom Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:03 AM
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43. Selling the book is a side benefit,
His real purpose in airing this tape is to remind everyone of 911. He is trying to bring back Bush's popularity post 911. I really believe Hannity's, Limbaugh's, Elder's, and all the other right wing radio talk show nuts get their daily talking points directly from the Whitehouse.

These people are actually participating in an organized attempt to sway an election. If Kerry makes it to the Whitehouse I believe bringing the fairness doctrine back into law would do as much good for this country as any other single event.

Peace
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #40
50. I call whore on that....
disgraceful. I hope somebody calls him on this bullshit in all these interviews he's probably gonna get for playing the audio.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:21 AM
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47. He can play that yet Howard Stern is censored
For talking about tits and ass. I ask, what's worse?
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