Vatican Warns Catholics Against Marrying Muslims

[historian]

Oh please spare me the holier than thou babble. The implication here is that muslims are so narrow minded in their views that xtians would never be able to live with one of them. Wasnt too long ago catholic women were less than human.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040514/ts_nm/pope_muslims_dc

[Turbineguy]

1. Well, that might be good advice

for anybody who plans to marry somebody outside their culture and customs.

Although I would not go so far as to say that all cultures except my own are narrow minded.

[Turbineguy]

3. Oh, I just spotted it

my 666th post. I was going to save that number for something on Pat Robertson..... Guess I'll have to wait until 700.

[AgentLadyBug]

17. nah - in light of the nature of your 666th post......

.... that number was completely appropriate....

[demosincebirth]

2. Where have you been??

I personally know of two young, open minded, women who had horrific marriages to muslim men. Treated them like sh*t untill they had guts enough to leave and file for divorce.

[historian]

15. i know that

but dont you think a mature adult should look into these things? Why are we always being advice by others - cant we think by ourselves?

[SemperEadem]

22. I know of the same, and the women were married to fundie xtians

and their marriages were hell, too.

it has to do with how you were raise, be you xtian or muslim.

IF both were moderate to liberal in their religious interpretation, then it has a better chance. But if one or both are fundamentalist in their views, then yes, it's going to be hard.

[Alerter_]

4. It warns Catholic WOMEN about marrying Muslims MEN

Have you read about the child custody cases when Western women try to leave an Arab country and their are either not allowed or are forbidden from taking their children?

I believe the US embassy in Jordan sent an abused women and her children, trying to get asylum, right back to her abusive husband.

Talk about getting holier than thou ...

[Yupster]

6. I would warn any woman about marrying

a Muslim man.

Of course there are Muslims and there are Muslims, but if the Muslim was a practicing (Orthodox?) Muslim, I'd have real qualms. I think anyone who's read about the custody problems would have to.

[bigbillhaywood]

9. Look, do you know how many Muslim-nonMuslim marriages there are?

Do you know how many of them are happy, with no custody issues? Of course not, and neither do I, because happy intermarraige of Muslims and non-Muslims is not interesting, salacious news-- custody disputes are. How many TV movies get made about an American woman marrying a Muslim man, having kids, moving to Syria and living happily ever after? None. Not because it's never happened but it's not dramatic or controversial enough and it doesn't fit neatly into American stereotypes of Muslim/Arab men.

Most people don't even realize Yassir Arafat's wife is Maronite (Middle Eastern branch of Catholicism), or that 30% of Palestine was Christian before the establishment of Israel (about 10% since the flood of refugees) and that intermarriage was not considered scandalous or unheard of. Same in Lebanon and Syria.

The only time you hear about Muslims or Arabs in this country is in relation to terrorism, while millions live out their ordinary, non-newsworthy lives. Remember the US TV news coverage of Palestinians cheering after 9/11? Of course you do. Remember the US TV news coverage of Palestinians mourning in post-9/11 vigils? Of course you don't, because it wasn't shown. And don't even get me started on Hollywood, where the only Arab roles are terrorist or cab driver.

[historian]

16. well said

[TreasonousBastard]

10. Not only Arab countries...

there are cases in Britain and Germany, probably a few others too, about where the ex-wife was awarded custody and the guy split weith the kids to his home country. Local laws over there say "possession" is 9/10ths of the law and won't release the kids to the mother.

Our laws are confused about this, too. Remember Elian?

[bigbillhaywood]

12. But they aren't rag-heads so TV movies don't get made about it. nt

[bigbillhaywood]

14. Well, if they make TV movies about it and I hear it on the news, it must

be an endemic problem affecting all marriages between a Christian woman and a Muslim man-- not like the media is biased. See Post #9.

[bigbillhaywood]

5. Specifically Catholic women...Yassir Arafat's wife seems pretty

independent.

Pot calling kettle, come in kettle, this just in from the Vatican:

"Calling women "the least protected member of the Muslim family," "

"It hoped Muslims would show "a growing awareness that fundamental liberties, the inviolable rights of the person, the equal dignity of man and woman, the democratic principle of government and the healthy lay character of the state are principles that cannot be surrendered.""

[TreasonousBastard]

7. Well...

Catholics aren't supposed to marry Presbyterians, either.

So, what else is new.

[bigbillhaywood]

11. Nope. A Catholic may marry anyone within the church as long as it is

stipulated that the Catholic will not convert and that the children will be raised Catholic. This Vatican pronouncement is doing more than reminding good Catholics of that arrangement, it is singling out Muslim males for criticism.

[demosincebirth]

18. The news to you, is that you're wrong.

[tom_paine]

8. Wow, we are just going backwards to 1780 as quick as we can, ain't we?

:puke:

[LittleApple81]

13. This should be left to each individual...Catholic church is putting its

footsie in its mouthie.

[Straight Shooter]

19. How about a warning against marrying evangelical white men?

*shudder*

[bigbillhaywood]

20. Ha! Ha! Except you need to add...

Evangelical white christian women. Ask my uncle. He won't say it, but I know he's pissed since she turned from a religious Catholic to full-on fundie. Unfortunately, he's saddled with rugrats and doesn't want to hurt his kids with a divorce-- he's a good dad. Poor bastard. They should make a TV movie about that!

Perhaps a general ban on fundamentalists from any religion breeding would be best.

[CJCRANE]

21. The Pope is within his rights to

advise this as most religions are against their women marrying outside the faith.