I want every lurking freeper to read this

[rumguy]

And then I want them to choke on it...

"They should also have looked up some testimony by Dick Cheney, the first President Bush's secretary of defense (and now vice president), three days later, boasting of similar slashings before the Senate Armed Services Committee:

'Overall, since I've been Secretary, we will have taken the five-year defense program down by well over $300 billion. That's the peace dividend. … And now we're adding to that another $50 billion … of so-called peace dividend.'

Cheney proceeded to lay into the then-Democratically controlled Congress for refusing to cut more weapons systems.

'Congress has let me cancel a few programs. But you've squabbled and sometimes bickered and horse-traded and ended up forcing me to spend money on weapons that don't fill a vital need in these times of tight budgets and new requirements. … You've directed me to buy more M-1s, F-14s, and F-16s—all great systems … but we have enough of them.'"

snip

"Another bit of dishonesty is RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie's claim, at a news conference today, that in 1995, Kerry voted to cut $1.5 billion from the intelligence budget. John Pike, who runs the invaluable globalsecurity.org Web site, told me what that cut was about: The Air Force's National Reconnaissance Office had appropriated that much money to operate a spy satellite that, as things turned out, it never launched. So the Senate passed an amendment rescinding the money—not to cancel a program, but to get a refund on a program that the NRO had canceled. Kerry voted for the amendment, as did a majority of his colleagues."

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127

[arcane1]

1. but, but, but... that's DIFFERENT

Cheney is a Republican, they do no wrong!

:crazy:

[ima_sinnic]

2. waste of time, freepers can't read

... but, seriously, that is a good find. yes, let the dumb little Bush-ass kissers choke on their distortions of Kerry's record. nobody's buying their lies anyway.

[PragMantisT]

3. Are you assuming Freepers can read?

Don't be silly!

[redqueen]

4. Amazing, isn't it, that the LIBERAL media isn't all over their FRAUD?

I mean, really... the NYT is just soooooooooo liberal. Shame that the liberal Times reporters don't seem to think such cynical disingenuousness is worth looking into.

Anyone that believes the media is 'liberal' is a grade-a MORON.

[bloom]

7. I've decided that people who think that

the media is liberal HAVE NO IDEA what liberals think.

[Redleg]

11. You got that right.

The assholes around here (the Cincinnati area) write about the "lib'rul media" in most of their letters to the editor in the Cincy Enquirer. I get so fucking sick of hearing how any time Bush looks bad it's because of the media and not because of Bush's stupidity and recklessness.

[Zookeeper]

14. In Mpls. - St. Paul also....

Nearly everday the Mpls. Star Tribune prints a letter attacking them for "attacking" Bush. "Attacking," to the freepers, means reporting anything that isn't head-in-the-sand supportive of BushCo. It would be comical if it wasn't so relentless.

[arwalden]

15. You're So Right.

[jus_the_facts]

16. the term 'liberal media'......

.....it's used first and foremost in referrence to all the immoral...*sex and violence* used in t.v. and movies by fundie repukes...most don't remember it's initial use as a political tool by FDR but only how it was used to SLANDER poor NIXSON...since the media has been monopolized by the right and has been so blatantly partisan in recent years has it become such an insult to us on the left...but IMO its use stems from the IMMORAL...UNCHRISTIAN depravatiy in TV programs and movies instead of politics....we're back to media monopolies and disinformation ala Citizen Kane!!! :evilfrown:

on edit....this is an observation I've made from havin' to be related to southern baptists :freak:

[denverbill]

5. Don't expect that to change anything.

One of our local talk radio morons continually claims Kerry doesn't support the troops in Iraq because he voted against the $87 billion to fund the war.

Now Kerry repeatedly said at the time he wanted to vote for an alternative plan, which would have forced Congress to actually pay for the war rather than borrow to pay for it.

No matter that people continually tell this moron WHY Kerry voted the way he did. That doesn't matter. Cause this asswipe can truthfully proclaim that Kerry voted against funding for the troops and let it go at that.

Now nobody in their right mind believes that Kerry would've let the soldiers suffer from lack of supplies or not get paid, but Kerry never got the chance to prove that, because the funding was approved and the troops were never in any danger. But freepers aren't in their right mind, or at minimum, they choose not to be in their right mind.

That's why you should nominate governors, not Senators. Senators vote on 1000's of things. 90% of their votes don't even matter. If John Kerry voted on a tax package which cut incomes to 0% but raised cigarette taxes a nickel, freepers could proclaim he voted for a tax increase. If he voted for the same bill once in committee, once on the floor, they could claim he voted for taxes increases twice. If that billed failed to pass, it doesn't matter. He still voted for two tax increases. That's where pukies will come up with their 'truthful' ads proclaiming Kerry voted to increase your taxes 1000 times, and voted to cut 1000 defense programs.

The nice thing about governors is they only voted for final approval or disapproval. They have no votes on intermediate bills and bills that never make it out of committee.

It's no accident that no sitting Senator has won the Presidency since JFK.

[rumguy]

6. freepers suck!

[IrateCitizen]

8. The sad thing is, at that time, on this issue...

... Cheney was RIGHT, and the Democratically-controlled Congress was WRONG.

There's a reason that Eisenhower really wanted to call it the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex... because Congress counts on it for pork to ensure incumbent re-election.

If we're going to point out the hypocrisy of the other side (which is quite rank), we need to also see the times that we have been wrong as well.

[Gruenemann]

17. If Eisenhower were speaking today, do you think

he might call it the military-industrial-media complex?

[Mandate My Ass]

9. Cheney's weapons' slashing

Cheney also provoked the longest, most expensive lawsuit in the history of the USA when he chopped the Osprey and the F-15(IIRC) from production without giving them a day's notice. Just went in and told them to clear out, no check is in the mail.

This suit went on from the time he began as SOD and lasted until 2002 IIRC.

These weapons were and are expensive boondoggles that will likely kill more servicepeople than the enemy could ever hope to, but his high-handedness was uncalled for and quite costly.

[rumguy]

10. I hate freepers!

[bigbillhaywood]

12. This would make for a great negative ad against Cheney/Bush. n/t

[arwalden]

13. Kick!