Just wondering, who is responsible for the prison torture?

[MSgt213]

Yesterday the Secretaries of Defense and the Army didn't take responsibility. None of the 5 or 6 generals at the table with the civilian leaders took responsibility. The general in charge of the prison takes no responsibility. I have been reading profiles, and what the families has to say about them, available on the soliders who actually participated in the torture they don't take responsibility for their actions and nor do their families.

So I guess the republicans are right. It's the democrats fault, it's the John Kerry crowd's fault. It's the liberals fault. It's the person who took the pictures fault. It's the ditigal camera's fault. It's the people who flew planes into buildings fault. It's the prisoners themselves fault. It's the college faternity's fault.

[RBHam]

1. From Bush on down...

Thery're all culpable. They pissed on the Geneva Conventions.
Most culpable is Major General Geoffrey Miller - he's the guy who recommended that MPs "soften up" detainees for interrogations.

[seemslikeadream]

2. American Psycho

[0007]

3. Mark Shields said it best on PBS last night.

junior was being embassased on the WMD. And do you remember how the whole Executive Branch was saying, "tis just a matter of time before a loose tongue will slip" -

From junior to the bottom at any cost to find the WMD's.

[mbee]

4. More than a year ago a friend took their son back to his National

Guard Duty and when they let him out of the car they were told to GET OUT! These people were so upset they didn't even attend their son's graduation ceremony from the Guard. Does anyone know if this is normal treatment from our military? I think when the criminals took over the White House they also turned our military into thugs in the way they treat people!

[Pepperbelly]

5. we are beginning to find out EXACTLY who is to blame.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1556408

[Proud Liberal Dem]

6. Is there something in our culture to blame?

I was watching the beginning of the hearings on the prison torture scandal yesterday while I was waiting to go into Court and while the hearings were going on a couple of people were in the room discussing the situation. Both of them were complaining about the real problem being the media releasing the pictures and that doing so is going to undermine support for this war (if there is any support left to lose at this point), not to mention the fact that both of them were actually attempting to make excuses and rationalizations for the actions of the perpetrators of these abuses. It is not only sad that some of our own soldiers participated in if not actively encouraged others to participate in such heinous acts but it is also very scary that there are those of us who are trying to justify such actions! I am beginning to wonder if there is something sick and twisted in our own culture that helped lead some of our own soldiers to behave in such a manner. Some people in our country seem to believe that we are somehow exempt from international law and standards because of 9-11. It is up to the rest of us to remind those who seem to have been blinded by searing rage and hatred fomented against muslims as a result of 9-11 that we are supposed to be better than the terrorists who perpetrated the attacks of 9-11.

[BeFree]

7. Some DU'ers claim

America is to blame. That's right, some DUer's have been dredging up all of bloody human history and infering that all America is to blame.

"The buck stops here", said one American President, Truman, I believe, and every puke president since then has passed the buck by claiming they forgot, were out of the loop, or didn't have a clue.

And some DUer's impugn my country for that conduct. Beware.

[EdGy]

8. the American people

Bush of course bears incredible amounts of personal responsibility for invading Iraq illegally in the first place, and for making it clear that this kind of behavior is perfectly acceptable under his command.

But these actions are a reflection of American society and culture. Much as some Americans would want to deny it, they are reflections of the nasty, racist, hateful, self-righteous nature of American culture and society.

And much as some people decry these aspects of US society, the Democrats are just as guilty of perpetuating these things as the Republicans. The Republicans now are just more crude and open (maybe honest) in what they are standing for. But Dems too have shown that they can be just as militaristic as the Repubs. Think about Kerry bragging that he's voted for the biggest military budgets in US history...