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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:09 PM
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Poll question: Who was gullible enough to believe the Disney ban was a stunt?
Edited on Fri May-07-04 02:27 PM by genius
Who cares if Moore knew Disney had objections? Miramax was the company with which Moore was doing business and Miramax had convinced him not to worry about Disney. Moore's problem was that he underestimated the relationship between Disney and Jeb Bush.

Regardless of their objections, it was pure censorship and worse for Disney to order Miramax not to distribute "Fahrenheit 911."
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:12 PM
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1. Um, factually wrong
Disney prohibited Miramax from distributing Dogma.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:12 PM
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2. I believe there were two previous instances of disney refusing..
..to distribute a Miramax film. The one I know definitely was Dogma, the Kevin Smith movie. That had to be sold to Lion's Gate so it could be distributed because Disney refused to distribute it.

I'm almost positive there has been one other one since Disney bought Miramax, but the movie eludes me.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:16 PM
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3. not voting, but just a comment for the sake of accuracy...
Edited on Fri May-07-04 02:18 PM by mike_c
...Disney has at least twice declined to allow Miramax to distribute films-- sorry, I don't recall the names but I read recently that Lions Gate distributed one of the two (the other was distributed by someone else). Look for Lions Gate to pick up distribution of F-911, IMO. As outrageous as Disney's action might be, I seriously doubt that Moore will have difficulty finding a distributor unless Miramax both refuses to distribute the film and refuses to sell the rights. THAT would amount to obvious censorship, but I just don't see that as very likely. This is ultimately little more than a blip in the road for Moore and F-911.

on edit: as kiahzero noted, Dogma was the film distributed by Lions Gate, IIRC.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:18 PM
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5. I hope you are right - but it has nothing to do with the "stunt" accusatio
in the article. Moore stated nothing but facts and Disney confirmed it.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:16 PM
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4. Posted it on the long LBN thread
Don't expect anyone to admit to being fooled.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:31 PM
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11. I'll admit it. It was the first thought that popped into my head.
After buying in to that Fox suit on the Al Franken Liars book. I don't believe anything I read in the press anymore. I always question what is being hidden or spun.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:19 PM
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6. Loaded question
I wouldn't answer a poll this biased.
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karabekian Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:20 PM
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7. what about his own words?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3565069&thesection=news&thesubsection=world
">Michael Moore admits Disney 'ban' was a stunt

Strait from the liars mouth:
"Almost a year ago, after we'd started making the film, the chairman of Disney, Michael Eisner, told my agent he was upset Miramax had made the film and he will not distribute it."

Sounds like a stunt to me
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:23 PM
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9. He does not want Disney to distribute it. He wants Miramax,
an independent subsidiary, to distribute it. The head of Miramax (a Democrat) was convinced he could do this and convinced Moore.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:41 PM
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14. link is invalid.
I think that "quote" was brought up yesterday and turned out not to be a quote.
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:21 PM
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8. Its not a stunt?
:shrug:
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:26 PM
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10. I think it's a stunt
or something like a stunt.

But if you're talking about the headline that said Moore admitted this, I'd agree that that headline was wrong, he never even came close to admitting it was a stunt, all he said was that he'd known all along that Disney said they wouldn't release it.



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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:36 PM
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12. so...
If he knew Disney wouldn't release it more than a year ago, would Moore expressing his outrage now be considered a stunt? If the article was accurate, then none of this would have been a suprise to him. He would have known for many months that he would have to seek an outside distribution deal. As to "censorship", he's free to complain that Disney is censoring him, but didn't they at least fund his movie via Miramax? If they were truly interested in censoring him, wouldn't they have not even funded his project? It sounds like Disney was looking to get $ for his movie without the hassle that may come with distributing it, as he will now have to split the profits between the producer (Miramax) and the distributor (probably Lion's Gate).
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:44 PM
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15. Sometimes companies buy products to shelve them.
Edited on Fri May-07-04 02:44 PM by Sterling
It happens in the record industry a lot. It is easy to see how that kinda thing would happen when a political film is in question and the corporate interests are as close to the politicians involved as in this case.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:40 PM
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13. raises hand (sheepishly)
lol
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karabekian Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:00 PM
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16. come on
this is a stunt designed to get publicity for his movie. It worked beautifully too. Nothing wrong with that now is there.
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