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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:21 PM
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Ron Brownstein, LAT : chimpy* Saw The Taguba Report In January!
Edited on Thu May-06-04 07:19 PM by leftchick
I Saw Ron Brownstein on the Lou Dobbs show. He said chimpy* saw the report by General Taguba in January. He questioned aWol*s management and leadership effectiveness by not pursuing it. I think the chimp* is sticking to the "I just found out about it, it is not my fault" excuse. Here is what he said at the press conference today with the King of Jordan....

Q Mr. President, if this problem at the prisons was first noticed late last year, why has it taken this long for actions to be taken? And what did you tell Secretary Rumsfeld yesterday?

PRESIDENT BUSH: I tell him I should have known about the pictures and the report. And as I understand it, the -- General Kimmitt declared to the press corps, in Iraq I believe it was, that there was an ongoing investigation. In other words, he made it clear. The Army said, we've discovered something, we've discovered an issue, and, therefore, we're now going to investigate it. It was a declaration to -- to the world that there was an issue, and then there is a process.

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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:23 PM
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1. And this totally un-inquisitive pile of dung didn't think that abuse of
prisoners was worth following up on? He must have been to busy vacationing or attending fundraisers.

If he was a good leader, he would have been on top of this. End of story.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:19 PM
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10. Brought to us by the same people who didn't see 9/11 coming.
"We would have moved heaven and earth if we'd known that terrorists would fly airplanes into buildings."

"Oops. We were told that terrorists might attack, but no buildings."

"Oops. We heard about the buildings but not the planes."

"Oops. We didn't know it would be American buildings."

"Oops. We didn't know bin Laden's name."

"Oops. Ok, we're tired of playing games! We knew all about it but it was our business, not yours! So sit down and shut up and support our troops, you damn traitors!"
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:26 PM
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2. I saw that too; Brownstein said the article was in today's LA Times.
I can't find any reference on their website that Bush indeed knew of the Abu Ghraib "problems" as early as January.

Can anyone else find it?
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:30 PM
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4. This was also in the e-mail I received yesterday from Movon.org's
Daily Misleader.

Shrub knew! He says he does not read, but he certainly can look at pictures.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:34 PM
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5. This link should take you to it. It is the May 5th Misleader.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:41 PM
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7. Thank you, murielm99!!
http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df05...

In this link, they discuss that Rumsfeld and Myers knew, but don't really point to Bush knowing for certain. I wonder what Brownstein was referring to? Even Lou Dobbs had to ask him twice to make sure he heard correctly... that the President knew in January...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:17 PM
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9. Thank you for the link murielm99!
I am sure Mr. Brownstein is not done with this big story. He seemed truly pissed.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:27 PM
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3. When does the smoke come out


of the gun?! How much of this b--- sh-- has to go on before America gets off the sleeping pills?
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:35 PM
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6. It is on a CBS snippet: Pace (second in command army) says Bush and
Rumsfeld knew from the beginning. It is on tape, folks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:23 PM
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11. Here you go..
REMEMBER, BUSH KNEW ABOUT TORTURE IN JANUARY!

COVERUP*COVERUP*COVERUP*COVERUP*COVERUP*COVERUP*COVERUP*COVERUP*

General Peter Pace, 2nd in Command in Iraq said Prez KNEW ABOUT ABUSE
Someone should get this video captured before it disappears...
"Congress Questions Pentagon" at
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml

He only said one word... YES.... when asked if the president knew about this... !!!!!!!
Smirky said he found out about it on TV.
I think congress should impeach them all
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtm...

Kudos to General Pace for letting us know that W. knew.

Btw. General Peter Pace isn't the 2nd in Command in Iraq, he is the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, i.e. the Nation's 2nd highest ranking military officer.

http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/pace_bio.html

http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040505-1427.htm...


PACE: Well, two different parts need to be understood. One is the reporting up the chain of command, which was done immediately. On the 13th of January, the allegations by the soldier inside the unit were reported to his Army chain of command. On the 14th of January, the Criminal Investigative Division team was sent to do the investigation. The phone calls were made up the chain of command. I know I knew about it within hours of the 14th of January. And everyone was kept apprised orally of the ongoing investigation.
The major general completed the investigation. And what happens with the paperwork itself is that each commander in the chain looks at the work, reads it in detail, does his analysis of what he or she should be doing with it, makes their decisions, and then sends it up the chain.
So the fact that the paperwork did not get to Washington DC did not mean that the information did not. In fact, it did.
STORM: So youre saying that General Richard Myers was well aware of the situation and that the president was well aware of the situation as well?
PACE: Yes.


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From today's photo op with the King of Jordan...

Q Mr. President, if this problem at the prisons was first noticed late last year, why has it taken this long for actions to be taken? And what did you tell Secretary Rumsfeld yesterday?

PRESIDENT BUSH: I tell him I should have known about the pictures and the report. And as I understand it, the -- General Kimmitt declared to the press corps, in Iraq I believe it was, that there was an ongoing investigation. In other words, he made it clear. The Army said, we've discovered something, we've discovered an issue, and, therefore, we're now going to investigate it. It was a declaration to -- to the world that there was an issue, and then there is a process.
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Yes, Virginia, they knew about it and did nothing. Congress knew. Bush knew. The DoD knew. Everyone knew. But they LIED about it and said it wasn't true. They LIED.

Wolfowitz was there to make sure it wasn't being leaked. He finally failed. Rumsfeld was there to make sure it wasn't being leaked. He finally failed. They LIED and COVERED UP.
Iraqis detained by U.S. troops accused their captors of torture and degrading treatment, rights group Amnesty International reported on July 23, 2003, calling on the occupying forces to bring human rights violators to justice. Detainees also said troops had shot some captives, the London-based rights watchdog reported, in a study based on interviews with former prisoners of U.S. forces across Iraq. U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz (C) tours Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison on the outskirts of Baghdad July 20. The prison had held Saddam's political prisoners, and now is run by U.S. forces to hold detainees. Photo by Chris Helgren/Reuters

Published on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 by Reuters
Amnesty: Iraqis Complain of Torture by U.S. Forces

BAGHDAD - Iraqis detained by U.S. troops have complained of torture and degrading treatment, Amnesty International said Wednesday.

There were also reports of troops shooting detainees, the London-based human rights watchdog said in a report based on interviews with former prisoners of the Americans across Iraq.

Amnesty staff heard complaints that included prolonged sleep deprivation and detainees being forced to stay in painful positions or wear hoods over their heads for long periods.

"Such treatment would amount to 'torture and inhumane treatment' prohibited by the Fourth Geneva Convention and by international human rights law," Amnesty said.

U.S. military officials were not immediately available to comment on the report.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:47 PM
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8. Maybe it didn't register if he didn't see the pictures.
Saw the report doesn't mean he read it. What are the odds that * read a 53 page report? Try zero, zip, zilch, nada.

How about Rummy saying at the briefing that they didn't have copies of the pictures? I could swear I saw Pace roll his eyes.
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