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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:49 PM
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Negroponte Approved 95-3
Voting Against: Dayton, Durbin, Harkin

Not Voting: Kerry, Thomas

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:50 PM
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1. Oh, that is just wonderful!
LOL
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:52 PM
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2. hmmm
there are some conspicuous absences from:

"Voting Against: Dayton, Durbin, Harkin"
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:52 PM
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3. Boy, those Dems are really giving the junta "what for"
aren't they?

/sarcasm

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:54 PM
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4. Well, tutus back in place, music playing. NT
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:10 PM
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23. Yep... Here We Go Again !!!


:argh:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:12 PM
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24. Yep. Time to bring back that pic
unfortunately.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:02 PM
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21. Jesus! How can we Restore the Old Republic with THIS as our
Leadership. You don't challenge a fucking murderous monster being put back to do the same thing to the Iraqis he did to the Hondurans?

I am REALLY disgusted with the Pink-Tutu Dems over this. THEY should have to live in the Bootlicking Totalitarianism that's coming, not us.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:54 PM
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5. Remind me, what is Negroponte?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:56 PM
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11. He turned a blind eye to the death squads in
Central America... Honduras to be specific.... ah the stories
of what he did or allowed to happen.

God this man will not only turn a blind eye, but ENCOURAGE the
death squads
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:57 PM
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12. This'll help
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010727Negroponte.html

I Remember Negroponte
by William Rivers Pitt

"The principle office of history I take to be this: to prevent virtuous actions from being forgotten, and that evil words and deeds should fear an infamous reputation with posterity."
-- Tacitus

July 27, 2001 (APJP) -- A wise friend recently offered the reminder that the best weapon anyone can bring to bear upon that which they oppose is a long memory.

I was fifteen years old in 1987, working behind the snack bar of a public golf course. A battered old television was propped up in the corner, and it was on all the time during the Iran-Contra hearings. I pulled sodas and served coffee and shot the breeze with the regulars, and I watched every damned minute of those hearings.

It is then, I think, that the first true stirrings of my current political ideology rose up and peered with furrowed eyebrows at Lt. Colonel Oliver North. I was young, and not able to understand fully the scope and magnitude of what was happening. Despite that, it was clear to me, and from what I could tell it was likewise clear to the nation, that something had gone fundamentally wrong in the White House.

And then, of course, the wheels came off. The hearings degenerated into long, lazy afternoons filled with softball questions tossed up to North and his lawyers. Hunter Thompson best described the scene in 'Generation of Swine':

"By the end of the Thursday session, North had been fed so many home run balls that he and his lawyer were laughing out loud and slapping each other on the back every time Nields asked a question - and then North would give another 20 minute speech about how much he loved his wife and his children and his uniform and, above all, his commander-in-chief, The President."

North was a hero, the hearings went seemingly nowhere, Reagan served out his term, and later on a number of the leading lights within the scandal were given Presidential pardons by George Herbert Walker Bush. I finished out the summer at the course and proceeded to grow up, a bit wiser for having watched it all unfold.

That boy has grown into a man who happens to have become a teacher of history. It is my job to recall with alacrity the details and individuals that have coursed through our national events. Simply put, I get paid to have that long memory. I remember Iran-Contra.

I remember the Walsh Report, and have read it many times. It can be found here:

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh /

The Walsh Report describes the whole sordid deal rather succinctly in its Executive Summary, which reads in part below:

"The Iran/contra affair concerned two secret Reagan Administration policies whose operations were coordinated by National Security Council staff. The Iran operation involved efforts in 1985 and 1986 to obtain the release of Americans held hostage in the Middle East through the sale of U.S. weapons to Iran, despite an embargo on such sales. The contra operations from 1984 through most of 1986 involved the secret governmental support of contra military and paramilitary activities in Nicaragua, despite congressional prohibition of this support.

"The Iran and contra operations were merged when funds generated from the sale of weapons to Iran were diverted to support the contra effort in Nicaragua. Although this 'diversion' may be the most dramatic aspect of Iran/contra, it is important to emphasize that both the Iran and contra operations, separately, violated United States policy and law. The ignorance of the 'diversion' asserted by President Reagan and his Cabinet officers on the National Security Council in no way absolves them of responsibility for the underlying Iran and contra operations."

So much good reading here for an historian! So much to remember. What the Walsh Report does not speak to, what it glosses over, are the wretched facts of our involvement in Central America during this time. This omission is pressing today, because the ghosts of Iran-Contra have come back to haunt us.

John Dimitri Negroponte stands today as the nominee to represent the United States at the U.N. Negroponte is currently the Executive Vice President for Global Markets at McGraw Hill Companies, Inc., and served for 37 years with the United States Department of State as a career diplomat.

One of his diplomatic postings was as the American Ambassador to Honduras. He served there from 1981 to 1985, at the height of the Iran-Contra actions taking place in Central America. If nominated, Negroponte will join Elliot Abrams in the governmental service. Abrams was convicted of lying to Congress for his role in covering up the operation for the President and Vice President.

Eyewitness accounts have allowed us, with the passage of time, to understand the horrors that occurred in Honduras because of the direct actions of the Reagan administration. Eyewitness accounts tell us what Negroponte and Abrams surely knew at the time.

One such eyewitness is Sister Laetitia Bordes, a nun who worked in Central America during the 1980s and the 1990s. She has written a book entitled 'Our Hearts Were Broken.' Sister Bordes describes Honduras and Ambassador Negroponte in words we all need to hear:

"My mind went back to May 1982 and I saw myself facing Negroponte in his office at the US Embassy in Tegucigalpa. I had gone to Honduras on a fact-finding delegation. We were looking for answers. Thirty-two women had fled the death squads of El Salvador after the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero in 1980 to take refuge in Honduras. One of them had been Romero's secretary.

"Some months after their arrival, these women were forcibly taken from their living quarters in Tegucigalpa, pushed into a van and disappeared. Our delegation was in Honduras to find out what had happened to these women. John Negroponte listened to us as we exposed the facts. There had been eyewitnesses to the capture and we were well read on the documentation that previous delegations had gathered.

"Negroponte denied any knowledge of the whereabouts of these women. He insisted that the US Embassy did not interfere in the affairs of the Honduran government and it would be to our advantage to discuss the matter with the latter.

"Facts, however, reveal quite the contrary. During Negroponte's tenure, US military aid to Honduras grew from $4 million to $77.4 million; the US launched a covert war against Nicaragua and mined its harbors, and the US trained Honduran military to support the Contras.

"John Negroponte worked closely with General Alvarez, Chief of the Armed Forces in Honduras, to enable the training of Honduran soldiers in psychological warfare, sabotage, and many types of human rights violations, including torture and kidnapping. Honduran and Salvadoran military were sent to the School of the Americas to receive training in counter-insurgency directed against people of their own country.

"The CIA created the infamous Honduran Intelligence Battalion 3-16 that was responsible for the murder of many Sandinistas. General Luis Alonso Discua Elvir, a graduate of the School of the Americas, was a founder and commander of Battalion 3-16. In 1982, the US negotiated access to airfields in Honduras and established a regional military training center for Central American forces, principally directed at improving fighting forces of the Salvadoran military.

"In 1994, the Honduran Human Rights Commission outlined the torture and disappearance of at least 184 political opponents. It also specifically accused John Negroponte of a number of human rights violations. Yet, back in his office that day in 1982, John Negroponte assured us that he had no idea what had happened to the women we were looking for.

"I had to wait 13 years to find out. In an interview with the Baltimore Sun in 1996, Jack Binns, Negroponte's predecessor as US ambassador in Honduras, told how a group of Salvadorans, among whom were the women we had been looking for, were captured on April 22, 1981, and savagely tortured by the DNI, the Honduran Secret Police, before being placed in helicopters of the Salvadoran military. After take off from the airport in Tegucigalpa, the victims were thrown out of the helicopters. Four children had been captured with the women.

"They were turned over to the Salvadoran military and their whereabouts are unknown. Binns told the Baltimore Sun that the North American authorities were well aware of what had happened and that it was a grave violation of human rights. But it was seen as part of Ronald Reagan's counterinsurgency policy."

There are still many threads from Iran-Contra waving in the wind. To be sure, a vital area of interest is the sudden and irreversible incapacitation of CIA Head William Casey. Casey knew where the bodies were buried, and who knew what, and when. But Casey was delivered insensate to his Maker without ever having The Questions put to him under oath.

Someday, perhaps, we will know the whole ugly truth. We will finally understand what Reagan meant to America.

In the meantime, we must rise up as one voice and denounce in the strongest terms the nomination of John Negroponte to be our Ambassador to the United Nations. Such a man, with such a bloody history, can not be allowed to represent this nation before a body that stands for the protection of human rights.

Our reputation on the world stage is tarnished enough as it is. We rush pell-mell towards the status of full-fledged pariah. At the very least, the nomination of Negroponte would further sully our flag. At worst, the nomination of Negroponte would wipe away some of the darkest crimes ever committed by any American administration in all of our history.

It cannot happen. Call your Senators, your Congressional representatives. Call the head of the Democratic Party in your state.

Call them, and tell them: I remember John Negroponte.

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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:12 PM
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25. FUCK FUCK FUCK
Does anyone ever FUCKING listen? Does anyone in this country have an attention span longer than 5 minutes? You were 15. I was 16. We FUCKING remember. Why don't these idiots in the Senate?
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:55 PM
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6. What the FUCK!
Negroponte is a fucking war crime FACILITATOR!

How can this happen?

UNLESS, of course, it's all too true...

EVERYONE basically knows what's going on, and if you're going to clean up a mess - you send in the exterminator.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:01 PM
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18. "The Cleaner"


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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:55 PM
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7. WTF Ted Kennedy?
He voted Yes?!! Fuck him...
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:59 PM
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15. Oligarchy
For those that are not familiar with that term, please look it up.

America is NOT a Democracy. It hasn't been one. The Govt and the two parties are not the servants fo the people. They are the servants of and part of the Oligarchy.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:56 PM
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8. Thank you Sen Mark Dayton
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:13 PM
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26. Yay, Mark!
It was my letter that did it, of course. :-)
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:22 PM
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30. Of course it was...
:)
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:56 PM
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9. strategic bait
He'll be dead within three weeks of taking that job.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:00 PM
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16. That's a good point
I hadn't thought of that.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:02 PM
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19. Too true. It's not exactly a prestige position.
"Shit Job" is a more accurate description. I would only wish it on my enemies.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:56 PM
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10.  How could any *thinking* individual
approve Negroponte?

They bring the Baathists back and then wanted Negroponte????...hello? ????? Did this not set warning bells off for anyone?

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:58 PM
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13. It should
I almost expect a repeat of Honduras and El Salvador... the worst of it

Now on the bright side Latin America is having a collective sight of relief
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:59 PM
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14. Maybe they really are trying to bring on Armageddon.
Hey, Lord, if you're up there, please smite them!!
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:00 PM
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17. The Senate Dems are failing us
At least Kerry chose to abstain from this one...
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:02 PM
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20. Kerry = campaigning
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:30 PM
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41. Kerry = once more not taking a stand
You'd think it would hurt his jobbies, sitting on that fence.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:08 PM
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22. Go Durbin!
I love my senator! :toast:
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:25 PM
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32. My senator too!
Durbin ROCKS! And if we get Obama elected, we'll have two truly great Senators from Illinois.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:13 PM
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27. Hey, cool down

The Bushistas have decided that if you're going to do torture and crimes against humanity, you need to send in the experts instead of the amateurs they've got running it now.

There werent any pictures on Negroponte's watch before.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:21 PM
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28. Hellfire!
- When will the rank and file Democrats admit that THEIR party needs an overhaul and a new direction? How in the hell can we BEAT Bush* in November when we keep giving him everything he wants?
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:22 PM
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29. By voting Bush out of office.
Seems obvious to me.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:29 PM
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34. Yeah...like we 'voted him out' last time?
- The people didn't vote for Bush* last time...but he's still sitting in the oval office. Why? Could it be that the democrats didn't fight hard enough for the Constitution and civil rights?

- If it wasn't for ABB...the Dems would be in a shitload of trouble with THIS kind of appeasement of the criminal Bush* government.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:36 PM
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36. My Senator voted properly.
I only live in Illinois, and am doing my best to get Obama in office along with him.

Given Kerry will appoint people like Holbrooke and Reich in his administration instead of Iran-contra thugs, supporting him is a no-brainer.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:23 PM
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31. great.
:grr:
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:28 PM
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33. shameful
i am embarrassed to be a democrat.

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:33 PM
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35. Our Fine Democrats At Work - Shameful, Simply Shameful !
And people wonder why Democrats have a bad name.

Some of us are tired of being criticized for noting the DLC shills that populate the party.

Today's vote is proof of what we have been saying.

I personally will not tolerate being criticized for calling our Senate Democrats DLC shills.

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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:47 PM
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37. SHUT UP YOU WHINERS!
and continue to vote Democrat! Everything will change when a Democrat is on the White House! Blue skies shining on us again!


sarcasm off


Several people berated me the other day for saying the Democrats are a lost cause.

I rest my case.
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dpibel Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:03 PM
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38. Who's got a link to Calimary's big list
I need to detach a very large piece of my mind in the direction of my senators.

We really have gone down the rabbit hole. It was bad enough putting this vile piece of refuse in the U.N., but all he was there was the messenger boy for the same message the US has always delivered to that body ("If we need a rubber stamp, we'll call. Otherwise fuck off. Especially you Arabs. Did we mention fuck off?")

But he can do some real damage presiding over Iraq. We do all realize, don't we, that the ambassador will be the king? How TF can a country the size of Iraq need the biggest embassy in the world? Well, gosh, it takes a least 3,000 people to run a country that size.

95 to fucking 3? I mean, it just gets more surreal by the minute. I mean, if the dems have to hand the Fierce Warrior Chieftain everything his snotty little heart desires, at least make it look good. 51-49 would have been a good number (if you simply have to approve the bastard).

I keep thinking I can keep my head from exploding. But it becomes an ever more difficult project.

Did I say "fuck?" I really don't usually swear in these genteel environs, but, in this case I really meant to say "fuck." So in case I forgot:

Fuck.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:05 PM
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39. I can only guess that this is "choosing you battles".
But I am very disappointed.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:20 PM
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40. Either That, Or They Made Some Sort Of Deal !!!
We won't oppose Negroponte, you won't oppose investigations into Rumsfeld!

Somthing like that... maybe... I hope...

:shrug:
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