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democraticgator Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:49 PM
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Is this enough proof that LIHOP isnt a conspiracy theory.........
but is in fact the most likely explanation.

From the NYT: At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/national/06CND-TAPE.h...

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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:51 PM
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1. Hi Democraticgator, I'm moving your post to General discussion
If you'd like to post this in Late Breaking News, please make sure that your subject line matches the title of the article you're linking to.

Welcome to DU.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:56 PM
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2. Just another coincidence related to the eventts of 9-11
Just because there's like, 689 of them all strung in a row now , well, that's just how coincidence works, isn't it? Add another to the list.

Now move along. Nothing to see here.
:nuke:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:47 PM
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10. Just because you can count 689 in a few short minutes only means one thing
That you probably will stop counting because it has become so nauseating.

How about a MIHOP they said was a LIHOP that was said to be a mistake that needed to covered up so the U.S. don't look so vulnerable.

You can bet we some testimony from other soldiers in some up coming trials that could become privy when congress gets to :wtf: on the secret torture cover ups. They will have no choice either, the whole world seems to be getting to the :wtf: on this.

It's not the coincidence we need to define, it's a machine under our fingers that made this such an intrigue. Descriptions of how it works is not always the same if it worked or why it worked, the paradox of even why the paradox of how we understand the nuances of language can be understood at some level. But as to ascertain the reasons for them is myriad as understanding the consequences of every brain cell in our head.

http://www.yesgoyes.com/how.htm
The Troublesome Paradox

A New Paradigm

The next generation information community

by

Per Lundgren
Translated and edited by Tim Dinan\

How it works - The core of Gamma theorem oriented information processing
(snip)
(snip)
If we are to advance both the development of society's ability to solve serious system-errors (chapter 22) as well as the development of science's capacity to access information by utilizing a more developed research approach already contained in advanced theoretical logic, then it is high time that the representatives of science who lack knowledge of this approach make every effort to immediately update their logical competence sufficient to grasp this vital information. The author's concern that this be done now is quite serious. Science, as a whole, must climb above its infant level of information processing towards what is known as advanced information processing. Employing this method requires a relatively high level of logical competence, much higher than that demonstrated by the scientific establishment over the past nine hundred years. More specifically, this is an advanced method of dealing with information, grounded on a highly developed logical tool that forces us to abdicate personal pre-convictions and a "normal" trust in common sense when seeking to ascertain the "truth" of something. As such, it is not a method that will be universally welcomed throughout science, especially not by those whose scientific work and pronouncements seem wholly guided by just these everyday, "normal" determinates of "truth". In contrast, the final evaluation and judgment of an advanced information process is keyed on the demonstrated practical or theoretical value of a given system's theorem level "truths". In other words, where certain logically arrived at theorem level assertions fulfill the aim or purpose of a system under study - let us say for example, a socio-economic system whose purpose is to make feasible a nation where balance, harmony, and joy of life are shared by all segments of its population - it is the evidence of theorem level import and success upon which the evaluation of the overall system is conditioned. In short, this is a method of research and evaluation that is vastly different from an approach that first-off, precisely as in the early days of science, sets its focus on analyzing, ad infinitum, the fundamental content underlying theorem level "truths" before venturing to seriously consider the practical merit of theorem level assertions. In summary: In the future, the evaluation of a given system's usefulness, combined with an analysis determining the validity and soundness its logical structure, will come to be accepted as more important than a complete grasp of said system's conceptual content or evident accord with current common sense information and/or perceptions.In fact, with regard to the first consequence of a Step 2 content analysis, the author will further assert the following: In the future, a cornerstone of the method utilized by science to process information will be based on the logically compelled deduction that common sense is not always applicable or appropriate to each and every scientific research and evaluation project. A significant expenditure of time will thus be spared in the scientific processing of information. Moreover, vital, epoch making discoveries will not fall victim to common sense traps all too often plied by those sitting behind the long benches of academia, nor be subject to even further injustice, resulting from "the game of science" as has happened in the past. Instead, these discoveries will be considered under the direction of expert competence within the parameters advanced logic. In this way, a process that in that past might have encompassed decades, and even centuries, will be completed within a timeframe reckoned in just months, or even weeks.
(snip)

Not that we could allways describe exactly what is being said, but grasping the crux of the basic idea is important
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:56 PM
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3. I agree completely!
LIHOP or MIHOP - those are the only plausible explanations to me!
Sick fucking BFEE/PNAC Mob bastards!!

:puke:
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:59 PM
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4. No such thing as LIHOP...only possibility is MIHOP
"Letting" means NON-action on the part of the Government. Therefore, LIHOP isn't possible.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:05 PM
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6. Not at all-compartmentation is what made LIHOP work imo.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:09 PM
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12. Yes, but MIHOP would require a certain degree of...
...competency...and...well....you know. :)
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:04 PM
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5. Another thing to make you go

"Hmmm."

ATCs have a 'bible' for hijack situations, and it was thrown out that
day. I'd love to see a gaggle of ATCs at the White House saying this
out loud.
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:06 PM
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7. I look for pattern of multiple corruptions of evidence
Single events of evidence corruption can happen. It's when there is an obvious pattern of multiple corruptions/destruction of key evidence that makes the most damning evidence.

By the way, there is that in the case of 9/11. It's layed out in detail on other threads.

You asked, so I thought I'd let you know what I felt. The best way to publicize this is to add the most recent incident to the list of other similar incidents.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:07 PM
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8. Get a load of this!
The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, but it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. quality-assurance manager, who crushed the cassette in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department.

...

The quality-assurance manager told investigators that he had destroyed the tape because he thought making it was contrary to F.A.A. policy, which calls for written statements, and because he felt that the controllers "were not in the correct frame of mind to have properly consented to the taping" because of the stress of the day.

:grr:

These air traffic controllers - they wouldn't happen to be the same ones who were intimidated into silence and not called before the 9/11 commission, would they?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:26 PM
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14. Dang, them folks really did seem desperate
Thanks for the extra upmpeth.... as this ungodly cabal keeps on looking sleazier and sleazier, it seems more and more of this kind of stuff seems come to the forefront. :kick:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:37 PM
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9. kicking it n/t
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:05 PM
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11. Whoever that guy was that destroyed the tapes...he's in on it.
The Official who was reporting to John McCain, and the Federal Commerce Commission, should have come forward with this information IMMEDIATELY after 9/11!

Whoever the guy was that destroyed the tapes, he was SERIOUSLY destroying the tapes....not just taking them away from folks! He tore them up, cut them up, and smashed them. Any freakin' IDIOT know that you don't destroy that kind of testimony... unless you're trying to hid something.

I wish we had the name of the guy that destroyed the tapes: I'll bet DUers could tie him back to the bush administration/CIA.

This smells like a dead fish on hot Georgia asphalt.
:kick:
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:23 PM
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13. Convinces me. n/t
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:45 PM
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15. Did the 9/11 Commission interview this guy?
If not, WHY NOT? If so, I expect to see it in their report.

But they have disappointed me before.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:49 PM
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17. MIHOP.
MIHOP.
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:49 PM
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16. kicking
and kicking really really really fucking hard
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