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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:35 PM
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Rangle just called for Articles of Impeachment
Edited on Thu May-06-04 12:35 PM by nadinbrzezinski
on the floor of the House....

while discussing HR 627
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:35 PM
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1. No Way!
This I have to hear for myself...

RL
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:37 PM
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8. Yes way
if Bush should not fire Rummy, then the House should draw Articles of Impeachment since this has risen to high crimes and misdemeanors
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:39 PM
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11. I heard it too, Rangle has big cajones, then it was promptly ignored
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:42 PM
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15. This is the second call in 24 hours
CALL your congress critters NOW... feed them often, even the pubs may turn once they realize the turd we have in the WH
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:35 PM
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2. dupe
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:36 PM
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3. shut. up.
what's going on?
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:37 PM
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9. they're talking about a resolution
condemning prisoner "abuse"

Rangle called for congress to do it's duty and impeach shrub for witholding information from congress.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:36 PM
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4. Wow! I heard that !
What does it mean?? Will he be able to do such a thing? Wouldn't he need the support of Repubs in order to do that??
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:38 PM
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10. Yes and from hearing the floor
we may even get the rational pubs on our side.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:54 PM
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32. Here's a way to mobilize the left
i.e., if we can effectively try Bush in public - a defacto impeachment - I can see the country mobilized to the extent that in November, the result will be assured.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:37 PM
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5. Woo hoo! Go Rangel!!
It is high time for impeachment.
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AgentLadyBug Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:03 PM
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42. NO - vote him out.....
Edited on Thu May-06-04 01:08 PM by AgentLadyBug
the biggest thing america needs is for its *people* (the 4th branch of government) to do something right - voting jackass out would be perfect...

let the impeacment discussion happen, then die off, leaving bush a sitting duck for november......

additionally, not impeaching will give voters strong incentive to vote the repub house bums out too.....

<edit: oh - lol - we're impeaching rummy, not bush... nevermind...>
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:37 PM
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6. Lets hope that is the beginning
It needs to be made an issue and put into the public consciousness, it doesn't matter that DeLay is in charge. Make the dumbasses defend themselves against it. Watch the polls as folks from all over demand impeachment. Good for Charlie
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:37 PM
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7. Rangel accusing Rummy, * & Co. of "high crimes and misdemeanors,"
Edited on Thu May-06-04 12:40 PM by LandOLincoln
and talking impeachment.

WAY TO GO CHARLIE!!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:41 PM
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12. OMG, the time has COME
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:41 PM
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13. They are war criminals and profiteers.
Impeach the lot of them!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:43 PM
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19. Order the leg-irons.
nt
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:41 PM
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14. Not calling for Bush impeachment
Just Rummy.

Rummy must be fired, resign or face impeachment.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:43 PM
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17. Actually Rummy serves at the pleasure
of the President, Rangel is aiming for Shruby
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:46 PM
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25. Not true. The Consitution says "all civil officers"
Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:48 PM
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29. Whether a cabinet secretary is a civil officer or not is an open question.
Civil officers, at the time of the Founders, were people like Collectors of Ports, and such.

The Constitution is silent on the very existence of a cabinet.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:51 PM
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31. Correct, that is why they are confirmed
This would have to go to the Court... the Supreme Court.

We may be entering new territory
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:54 PM
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33. Dingel
is now going over hte sacrificial lamb, aka the sergeants... and leave the officers in charge and CIA and contractors, off the hook
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:55 PM
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36. House Judiciary committee staff report....
...may be found here. Who is impeachable, and who is a civil officer, and who is covered by Art ii.2.2 of the Constitution is not a completely settled question.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:42 PM
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16. Rumsfeld cannot be impeached...
..only the President, perhaps the vice president, and federal judges can be impeached.

Rumsfeld, once confirmed, serves at the pleasure of the President.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:43 PM
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18. Why is it only the African-Americans in Congress seem to have courage?
My representative make me ill!
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AgentLadyBug Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:07 PM
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47. Because they have no power.....
it's a standard dynamic..... those without power are liberal, innovative, challenging..... those with power are conservative, closed, and so forth....

there are more-or-less sound reasons for this dynamic, and it's VERY wide ranging... For a more abstract discussion of this, see Thomas Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:43 PM
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20. I love it!
Charlie Rangle would make a GREAT VP! I respect him more than almost anyone in Washington! Charlie Rangle is a true Patriot and his service to his country speaks for it's self! God Bless Charlie!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:44 PM
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21. I hope someone posts a link to this at LBN or here...
I want to send this to a friend of mine in Canada who says we should begin impeachment hearings against *.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:45 PM
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23. Will start scanning the wires for you
Edited on Thu May-06-04 12:47 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Start here

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&e=1...

This is going to finally sink this administration
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:55 PM
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35. Thank you. My friend will be pleased.
As much as I am.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:58 PM
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37. Here is the reuters filing
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:45 PM
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22. How Much Longer Does The U.N. Sit By?
Aren't these war crimes being committed? Certainly there's plenty of cause for an International investigation to begin. Is that the U.N. or the World Court? You can't tell me the BFEE has those people paid off, too.
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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:45 PM
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24. Kennedy live on C-Span2 now
Calling for full investigation . . .



Im sorry . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .that we got caught!
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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:46 PM
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26. Kennedy is ripping bush to shreads!
Go!!
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:48 PM
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27. Kennedy! "The buck stops at the White house"
And the president should apologize to the Iraqi people.... a fall from grace for this country...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:49 PM
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30. Remember Kennedy cannot call for impeachment
oh and Rosa DeLauro just called for bicameral hearings... LORD this is getting huge
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:54 PM
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34. Who's Rosa DeLauro?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:01 PM
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39. Democrat from California
God, another Congressman is quoting the Consittution and asking for an investigation, INDEPENDENT investigation, John Spratt, D-South Carolina

Calls for Articles of Impeachment and calls for investigation...

This is just starting folks, I hate to say it but we may be seeing the turning point ...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:08 PM
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49. Why do you hate to say it?
It sounds like perfectly wonderful news to me! Am I missing something?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:36 PM
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53. That it TOOK THIS for the worm to finally turn
Mr. and MRS average American
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:04 PM
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43. House Rep
One tough lady.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:12 PM
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51. DeLauro is from New Haven, CT
Wow, at least one Democrat in CT has some cajones - and it's a woman!
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:59 PM
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38. Why can't Kennedy call for impeachment?
curious
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:02 PM
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40. proceedings can only be initiated by the majority party (Republicans) n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:02 PM
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41. The house introduces the articles
the Senate convicts, it is purely procedural
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:04 PM
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44. Impeachment has to start in the House, not the Senate....
Kennedy's a Senator.

I believe I'm correct on this.....other DUers?? Is this right?

:kick:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:09 PM
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50. Yes that's correct
Once the impeachment is decided on, the hearing is held in the Senate.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:48 PM
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28. Keep us informed cannot watch both
or I could, C-SPAN also runs on the web
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:04 PM
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45. Quick transcript here
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:05 PM
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46. Tom Harkin now - accusing Negroponte (Honduras0
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:07 PM
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48. This is going to sink hte GOP
you notice the panic? I have...
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:14 PM
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52. Nice....dump Rummy!
Did anyone hear about Charlie Rangle drawing up articles of Impeachment on C-Span? (Vanity)
Me | 5/6/04


Posted on 05/06/2004 11:03:13 AM PDT by areafiftyone


Sorry for the Vanity I am reading this on the liberal boards and DU? I only trust Freepers. Did anyone else watch Charlie (I know its hard to listen to him)?



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1 posted on 05/06/2004 11:03:14 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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They tried to impeach Reagan 3 times. If it's true, it won't go anywhere.

2 posted on 05/06/2004 11:04:03 AM PDT by Pete
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This makes me sooo mad!

3 posted on 05/06/2004 11:04:23 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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For Rumsfeld.

They are going after Negraponte now.

4 posted on 05/06/2004 11:05:49 AM PDT by Howlin
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Here is a rough estimate from one of the boards:
Looks like its for Rumsfeld not Bush.

"...an atmosphere where all of the people in iraq have been demonized, where it appears to american people and certainly to our military that the people in iraq are responsible for 911 and causing us pain, that the secretary of defense did have info months ago about these atrocities and that he kept it from the president, he kept it from the Congress, and he kept it from the American people.

I think that this rises to the point that it's a high crime and a misdemeanor, if he disappointed the president, kept information from the congress and kept this information from the american people, I think America and the world wants us to show the outrage, not by rhetoric, but by taking action!

And if the president doesn't fire the secretary, if he doesn't resign, I think it's the responsibility of this Congress to file articles of impeachment and force him to leave office.

Then the whole world would know, not just our military, not just Americans, but the whole world what we stand for.

f people can say mission completed when it looks like there's victory, and we see atrocities like this and it happens on someone's watch. If they don't have the dignity to say, "I'm sorry," and move on, the we have the responsibility under our Constitution to remove these people from office. He kept the info away from this congress. We have the responsibility of oversight. I'm preparing articles of impeachment today.


5 posted on 05/06/2004 11:06:56 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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Dam I wish this prison thing had never happened. The liberals were looking for an opening to get Rummy.

6 posted on 05/06/2004 11:08:04 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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It's time we start stringing up a few of these worthless democrats

7 posted on 05/06/2004 11:09:49 AM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Was a Blue Ribbon Finalist in the 1st. Annual V.V.A.W. Medals Toss in Wash. D.C. 1971)
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