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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:32 PM
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CSPAN1 ALERT Rangel up
Edited on Thu May-06-04 01:33 PM by BlueEyedSon
Not sure hwat he's saying, I was just channel surfing
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:35 PM
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1. Oops, he said the "I" word (impeachment)
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:36 PM
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2. NO WAY!!!
Go Charlie! :headbang:

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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:40 PM
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7. Rumsfeld cannot be impeached...
...because as a cabinet officer, once nominated and confirmed, he serves at the pleasure of the President.

Only the President, the vice president (maybe) and federal justices can be impeached.

Rumsfeld can be tried for crimes, and sued for (some) torts.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:43 PM
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8. Based on what laws?
I'm not challenging, I'm asking.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:44 PM
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10. he's referring to bush
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:47 PM
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14. Wrong, apparently it's been done
http://www.factmonster.com/spot/impeach.html

The right to impeach public officials is secured by the U.S. Constitution in Article I, Sections 2 and 3, which discuss the procedure, and in Article II, Section 4, which indicates the grounds for impeachment: "the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

snip

Since 1797 the House of Representatives has impeached sixteen federal officials. These include two presidents, a cabinet member, a senator, a justice of the Supreme Court, and eleven federal judges. Of those, the Senate has convicted and removed seven, all of them judges. Not included in this list are the office holders who have resigned rather than face impeachment, most notably, President Richard M. Nixon.

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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:56 PM
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18.  William Worth Belknap : Secretary of War
Returning to civilian life, he became Collector of Internal Revenue in Iowa and allied himself with the Republican Party, and in 1869 became Ulysses S. Grant's Secretary of War. In March 1876, he was accused of malfeasance in office for accepting over $24,000 in bribes from a post trader seeking immunity from removal.

It is not clear whether he was aware of the arrangement or whether his wife had made the bargain and accepted the payoffs. Nevertheless, he was impeached by a unamious vote of the United States Senate, though at his formal trial the Senate fell short of the number of votes required to convict. By then he had resigned, which doubtless accounted for his acquittal.



http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/wwbelkna.htm
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:37 PM
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3. Please...Please...keep us office rats informed. What is going on???
Thanks.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:39 PM
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5. He said he's drawing up articles of impeachment
since this misadministration of the war and peace certainly rise to the standard of high crimes and misdemeanors. The administration has intentionally withheld information and knowledge they had of these crimes.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:37 PM
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4. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I got to hear it.

Articles of Impeachment for Rummy are being drawn up!

Rangel Rocks!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:39 PM
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6. DId he mean Rumsfeld or was he more vague?
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:43 PM
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9. Rummy specifically.
Had a obligation to notify congress. He didn't.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:44 PM
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11. Articlec of Impeachment
for "members of this administration" - but his speech did start with Rumsfeld
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:46 PM
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13. Okay, I could have misunderstood.
Can't wait for a transcript!

I just remembered! I have TIVO!

I'll be right back.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:04 PM
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21. Here's my transcription
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thought it should have it's own thread.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:45 PM
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12. I'm glad
Edited on Thu May-06-04 01:57 PM by rocknation
I realize that there's too many Repubs in da House to expect impeachment. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be saying that Georgie QUALIFIES for impeachment. And if enough of those Repub House members are up for re-election this year, maybe we can convince them to impeach Bush out or get voted out themselves.

:headbang:
rocknation
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:49 PM
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15. House members only serve two-year terms.
They run for election every two years.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:52 PM
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16. More of a chance than that, but not of Bush
If he tries to impeach Rumsfield, the Republicans might go along. If Rumsfield can be made the goat instead of Bush or the whole party, they would jump at the chance. It could even help Bush, who could fire Rumsfield to prevent him from testifying, then place all the blame on Rumsfield for the prison "abuses," thus NOT indicting Bush's own actions, or the invasion itself.

It could even help in Iraq, if Bush can show the Iraqis that he fired a top official over this.

This has the potential to be the end of Rumsfield, and the same potential to help Bush and not us. Bush is good at blaming others for his mistakes, and he wouldn't even need Cheney or Rove to figure it out.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:57 PM
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19. Bush might try to blam it all on Rummy, but remember he said
YESTERDAY that he has total confidence in Rummy. How in the world would he crawl out frrom under that one?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:01 PM
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20. Bush has publicly stated that he has total confidence in Rummy?
That settles it--Rummy is as gone as pet rocks, mood rings and the macarena!

:headbang:
rocknation
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:17 PM
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22. That is the kiss of death in baseball, and Bush was a baseball owner! nt
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:19 PM
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23. That's easy.
"I trusted him, but I no longer do." or "He let me down." Something like that.

Can you imagine how Rumsfield would enjoy being lectured by this little half-wit? OMG.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:42 PM
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24. I'd agree with you if Shrub had said this a year ago or six months
ago, but he said it YESTERDAY! He said it AFTER he suposedly called him to the WH to chew him out for not telling him what was going on and poor Shrubby had to see it on TV. I don't think he can get away with the He let me down excuse now.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 02:55 PM
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25. He can dump Rumsfield in a heartbeat, he can ask him to resign
in private, he can slip out the back, jack... there must be fifty ways to leave your.... um, sorry, thoughts wandered.

Bush has reaffirmed today that he would keep Rumsfield, but he can claim new evidence was discovered at any point. Or, he can privately ask Rumsfield to resign and publicly claim he wants Rumsfield to stay, all the while leaking to Drudge (through "insiders") that he allowed Rumsfield to resign out of respect for his service to the country.

You can do anything when you are president and your friends own the media.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 01:53 PM
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17. Look up there...are those vultures circling?
Edited on Thu May-06-04 01:59 PM by rocknation
First Trent Lott (of ALL people) complains that they had to pull the Iraqi prisoner torture photos off an NPR or PBS web site (I forget which, but talk about humiliation). Then Rummy is summoned to Congress to testify before the Armed Services committee, like, yesterday. Then a couple of stories turn up in the press about Georgie taking Rummy to task about the Iraq prisoner torture pictures in the oval office. And now Charlie Rangel uses the "I" word?

Trent Lott finally "took a bullet" to save Georgie and was rewarded with a demotion. Are we seeing an encore?

:headbang:
rocknation

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