Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Franken is making fun of Bob Woodward. He is ripping him to shreds!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:16 PM
Original message
Franken is making fun of Bob Woodward. He is ripping him to shreds!
Edited on Thu May-06-04 12:18 PM by frank frankly
Franken is playing clips where Bobby Woodward said there weren't reports telling President Hitler that the "Post-War Occupation" would be a disaster. Franken quotes several reports and is lambasting Bobby Woodward.

I love Air America!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:17 PM
Response to Original message
1. As it should be. Woodard seem to be defending the administration for not
looking at opposing views.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:18 PM
Response to Original message
2. And his guest, James Fallows, is really
trying not to burn that bridge.

This is good stuff.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. who is James Fallow?
anyone have the link to the 2,500 page State Department report that Fallow reported about?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Writes for Atlantic Monthly.

He wrote the article "Blind into Baghdad" that Al refers
to all the time.

(It's a really great article, if you can find a link.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:25 PM
Original message
Here's link for "Blind into Baghdad" A Must Read! Really!
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2004/01/fallows.htm



Blind Into Baghdad

The U.S. occupation of Iraq is a debacle not because the government did no planning but because a vast amount of expert planning was willfully ignored by the people in charge. The inside story of a historic failure

by James Fallows

.....

n a Friday afternoon last November, I met Douglas Feith in his office at the Pentagon to discuss what has happened in Iraq. Feith's title is undersecretary of defense for policy, which places him, along with several other undersecretaries, just below Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz in the Pentagon's hierarchy. Informally he is seen in Washington as "Wolfowitz's Wolfowitz"that is, as a deputy who has a wide range of responsibilities but is clearly identified with one particular policy. That policy is bringing regime change to Iraqa goal that both Wolfowitz and Feith strongly advocated through the 1990s. To opponents of the war in Iraq, Feith is one of several shadowy, Rasputinlike figures who are shaping U.S. policy. He is seen much the way enemies of the Clinton Administration saw Hillary Clinton. Others associated with the Bush Administration who are seen this way include the consultant Richard Perle; Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney; and the Vice President himself. What these officials have in common is their presumably great private influence andeven in the case of the Vice Presidenttheir limited public visibility and accountability.

In person Douglas Feith is nothing like Rasputin. Between a Reagan-era stint in the Pentagon and his current job he was a Washington lawyer for fifteen years, and he answered my questions with a lawyer's affability in the face of presumed disagreement. I could be biased in Feith's favor, because he was the most senior Administration official who granted my request for an interview about postwar Iraq. Like Donald Rumsfeld, Feith acts and sounds younger than many others of his age (fifty). But distinctly unlike Rumsfeld at a press conference, Feith in this interview did not seem at all arrogant or testy. His replies were relatively candid and unforced, in contrast to the angry or relentlessly on-message responses that have become standard from senior Administration officials. He acknowledged what was "becoming the conventional wisdom" about the Administration's failure to plan adequately for events after the fall of Baghdad, and then explainedwith animation, dramatic pauses, and gestureswhy he thought it was wrong.
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2004/01/fallows.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:30 PM
Response to Original message
11. Thanks.

(If I weren't so lazy today . . . )
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:19 PM
Response to Original message
4. The Franken/Woodward interview was pretty contentious
I Woodward was being pretty dismissive, but he may have been put off at the beginning of the interview when Franken started by saying he had exposed Pottery Barngate, and made Woodward look a little foolish.

But Franken makes a really good point about pre invasion recomendations and how they were ignored, Woodward tried to minimize the administration's failures to heed that advice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. Also, Franken referred several times to the 2,500 page report
about what needed to be done after capitulation of Saddam Hussein and that it would take more troops to handle the occupation than it would to win the war.

Woodward said that you can find a report on anything in Washington somewhere. Dismissed the importance of this and any other reports like it being ignored.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:24 PM
Response to Original message
6. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
NormanConquest Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Woody's book is also on the WH's "must read" list
What's your point?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. See what you want. Those who can read AND comprehend know there
Edited on Thu May-06-04 12:46 PM by blm
is plenty in Woodward's book that reveals aspects to BushInc that are crucial to noting the incompetence and hubris.

Those that think Bush's shit doesn't stink see a "strong leader" with a commitment to his faith.

Woodward played to both sides.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:36 PM
Response to Original message
14. Glad to hear it
if Franken is being at all skeptical of Woodward's portrait of Bush as a "strong leader," then he's the only one that I know of, other than the Daily Howler. All the whores are simply taking Woodward as gospel, despite the dubious reporting style.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mstrsplinter326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
15. It's a good thing franken is going after woodward
We wouldn't want to present a united front against bush.

For any of you who saw the Meet the Press interview with Woodward, you know that he is staunchly against the adminstration's handling of Iraq and the lies they told us. He could prove to have more information on this particular issue than anyone else.

Moreover, if you are interested in journalism's history, you know that Bob Woodward is the single most important journalist in American history, maybe of all time. Sorry, Al, but when I've got to pick between you and Bob, you lose.

I like Franken, but why does he waste air time bashing those who support much of what he has to say?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
16. great show!
a wonderful caller just described BushCo/PNAC in a nutshell!

a really good call!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. What Did The Caller Say???
Curious minds want to know.

-PLA
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct 23rd 2014, 12:36 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC