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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:07 PM
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"A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee"
U.S. Army Report on Iraqi Prisoner Abuse

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001



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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:08 PM
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1. sounds like rape
doubt it was consensual.... :(
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:09 PM
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3. That was DUer "jean"'s reply when I posted this in another thread --
Thought it deserved it's own thread.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:14 PM
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6. And there's more supposed to be coming out......
My God...I hate to think what's next:scared:. And to think bu$h said he was going to bring "honor and integrity" back to the White House. What a freakin joke! All these scandals coming out on this administration and everyone connected to them has been worse than ANY thing they had on Clinton. You would think ONE of them would bring them down,but no need to hold our breath. :argh:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:09 PM
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2. RAPE you idiots!!! It's called RAPE!!!!!!!!!
YOU CAN'T F'ING TELL ME THE 'SEX' WAS CONSENSUAL!!!!!!!!
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AussieInCA Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:10 PM
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4. torture! no it's abuse! no it's rape! To rummy it is all fungible
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:17 PM
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21. i am amazed with this one too
i am with you. i am sitting here wondering if we have totally digressed as a people with the white male testostrone driven bullshit. gonna be skinning the knuckles on the pavement here. rape.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 03:04 AM
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27. How exactly do you know the race of the perp in question?
NT
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:13 PM
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5. I can tell just from reading the first part of this report some high
level people fucked up.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:14 PM
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7. Any time....
... a captor has sex with a detainee, it is BY DEFINITION rape IMHO.

It certainly is treated as such in civilian law enforcement.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:15 PM
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8. self delete
Edited on Tue May-04-04 09:15 PM by AZDemDist6
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:16 PM
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9. During his press conference today Rumsfeld...
...was asked if he felt he needed to make an apology to the Iraqi people for what has been done to the prisoners and his answer was, "Not right now." I guess when he is found guilty as a war criminal he might reconsider.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:16 PM
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10. These are war crimes.
Maybe we are getting ready to invade the Netherlands.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:17 PM
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11. Now when they take revenge I shall feel nothing for the imperialists <nt>
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Direckshun Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:18 PM
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12. Now, that's not very Christ-like...
...though it could be considered quite socialist. ;)
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:01 AM
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25. how can be compared to Economics? <nt>
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:19 PM
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13. Saddam had Rape Rooms and Bush has Rape Rooms
So tell me again what has changed for Iraq, besides more dead civilians than under Saddam?
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:22 PM
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14. Bush says torture is
Edited on Tue May-04-04 09:23 PM by raysr
un-american. The guards in the the prisons right here the good ol' USA do worse than that, so do the cops. It's as american as apple pie!
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:30 PM
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15. Saddam's rape rooms were huge talking points for the bushies
Remember how we were constantly told about the rape rooms and videotapes - Iraqi interrogation victims were supposedly shown videos of their female family members being raped.

This was on the same level as the lies told by a young woman (who turned out to be the daughter of a US friendly Kuwaiti big wig) saying Saddam's men were throwing incubator babies out during the invasion of Kuwait.

Wat goes around comes around for bush.

(insert Al Franken's voice here please) "Liiiieeees!"

Now bush is going to fix the problem by giving an "interview" to Arab news outlets? Please, tell me Karen Hughes is NOT going to write the talking points. Sometimes I believe these morans are intending to incinerate the world before November. Everything they say and do turns to instant dung.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:57 PM
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19. Exactly what do the frig do they have left????????
No WMD, no ties to Al-Queda, just "freeing the people from torture"

Now it's some of us doing the torturing and raping.

All WE had left was the fact that we were at least supposed to be better than Saddam.

One is one too many. The balance was too fragile, and they let it happen if not out right encouraged it.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:58 PM
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20. Someone in another thread made a great observation
We still have Sadaam's rape rooms, they've just been privatized.

RL
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:41 PM
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16. Gak
Now we know why Shrub always had that nasty little smirk and glitter everytime he mentioned "rape rooms". Because the truth is we got rid of *Saddam's* rape rooms - only to replace them with our own.

I'm starting to believe the administration knew about what was going on in Iraq prisons for a long time now.....

And this administration is making me deeply ashamed to be an American. Why does Shrub hate America so much??
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:51 PM
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17. Bush talked about the Rape & Torture rooms today!!!!
I heard the sound clip on MSNBC-it made me want to throw up! Just how stupid is he to even mention this when all this stuff is coming out about the rape and torture of Iraqis at the hands of Americans? Wait--don't answer that question--I know--it's the Idiot in Chief!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:52 PM
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18. Double GAK, lol
Shrub hates America cause this Presidency thing is getting tired for him. He wants a simplier life but is trapped with the Duties and functions the office calls for. Is he screwing up the Nation intentionaliy? I don think so, might be a latent thing and he don even realize the damage he is causing. To be unaware means he is delusional, off into his own realm talking to his "Voice" that... gasp...answers. He sees this Oval Office thing as a means to rescue America from the evils of Liberalism. He on the White Steed in full Flight Gear, oops, he don ride them Steeds, gonna deliver us to the Promised Land.

Supposedly he goona address the Arabs of the World. I hope he does the Apology thing in a real sincere way. He has a small chance to avert OUR TROOPS from being Raped/etc if captured.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:20 PM
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22. they knew they knew they knew
they hired the contractors to do this so they wouldnt be tainted. they knew. that is why they hired them the whole purpose for them
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:21 PM
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23. These rapes may also lead to murder
Many fundamentalist Islamic families in some parts of the world believe that a rape infringes on the family honor so they kill the woman. This rape may have condemned a woman to death.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:07 AM
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26. U R right, also heard that men too can be killed for the same...
reason. Truth known--we are as humiliated as they are. If Bush is put back in, our goose is cooked.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:22 PM
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24. RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Tue May-04-04 10:22 PM by corporatewhore
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