C-Span is Nothing More Than an Info-mercial for the Neo-cons, Right-wing

[The Lone Liberal]

Gaffney is a lackey for Perele and the Military-industrial complex. C-span is a showcase for neo-con, rightwing marketing poising as policy. Count the times the minions from the Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise, and the other neo-con, rightwing agi-prop concerns show up on their channel.

Quit watching and quit thinking they are telling you the truth. C-span is nothing more than flacks for Bush.

[revcarol]

1. He was so sickening I turned it off after a couple of minutes.

And today isn't even Fascist Friday.

ANOTHER nice-sounding organization comes to the forefront as a Neocon Front.

[hexola]

2. ...quit thinking they are telling you the truth?

Why would you think that CSPAN is a "truth source"...They interview guests and let them put forth their point of view. I like to think my brain can sort out the truth...

Gaffeny sounded like a complete idiot and Bush apologist...the callers let him know it, too. I don't think that performance did them any favors...

[bryant69]

3. They are a tool of whoever's in power

I don't know if that means we ought to eliminate them. Right now Neo-Conservatives are basically running the government, so they are naturally going to show them to a greater extent. When Clinton was in power, Democrats were on a lot more because they were the ones making the important decisions. That's the nature of the beast.

The worst thing about living in a democracy is that sometimes the other guys win.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Skittles]

6. bull

they did not shill for the last REAL elected president.

[bryant69]

13. Yes they did

I don't know what you mean by shill, but they presented administration spokespeople and speakers friendly to the Administration pretty regularly. It's the nature of the game.

I do remember the 90s, as it turns out.

[Skittles]

23. I absolutely disagree

Democrats are always held more accountable for their actions than asshole republicans

[bryant69]

26. That's a pretty sureal response

C-Span isn't in the business of holding anybody accountable, are they?

[Ripley]

27. They claim to be "balanced" and unbiased.

It is not "unbiased" to have on extreme rightwing ideologues more often than anyone, anyone at all from the center or left. It's one thing to have the "majority" party given a larger microphone, but due to the incredible controversy and slim margin of "victory" or "theft" of the election and Gore winning the popular vote...how does that give Brian Lamb the right to decide the country's commercial free public access channel should devote the majority of it's time promoting extremist right wing agendas.

Why are you such an apologist for the radical right? Are you one of them?

[Skittles]

29. I am sickened by their biases more and more

have you noticed how they let right wingers ramble on and on but as soon as someone criticizes the chimp they've got their hand over the button just waiting their chance to cut them off?

[Ripley]

30. YES. And who the hell is that guy today...

The moderator who even looks Nazi-ish? He is the most obvious. He rudely cut off the guy from Louisiana when he brought up Israel and Palestine for being the biggest reason the Arabs dislike our policies...CUT HIM OFF by saying this is a No-Iraq segment!!! WTF is I/P now Iraq?

He must practice Smirk's smirk...looks just like him. :grr:

[Skittles]

34. I used to enjoy CSPAN

but just like most other shows now I find myself getting more and more disgusted at the Pravda-like atmosphere. And I am SICK of the DUers who claim they don't see it. HELLO!!!!!

[bryant69]

31. Yep

You've finally figured me out. I'm actually Karl Rove, taking time out of my busy day to come on Democratic Underground and sow dissent. Ha ha ha! Tremble, puny Democrats at my awesome control over C-Span. You truely have no hope.

Note to moderators, I'm not Karl Rove. I am in fact a centrist Democrat; but I recognize that I'm destined to lose in these more leftist than thou contests. I'm cool with that.

[Ripley]

32. Where to begin?

1. I didn't say you were Karl Rove. But we all know there are a few posters who are "allowed" for some unknown reason to obtain thousands of posts even when their sum postings defend this administration more than criticize it, which in my view would be in violation of the rules stated when you sign up here at DU.

2. I am not a Democrat. Don't have to be one to be here...just a progressive or liberal.

3. When did I say Rove controlled CSPAN? I believe I said Lamb did.

4. I have no hope? You are in denial. Big time.

5. What is leftist about the obvious slant hard right on CSPAN? How do you know I'm not centrist? You cannot give me a list of equality of guests on CSPAN's Washington Journal (or other coverage) between the extreme right wing neocons (AEI, Heritage Foundation etc.) and liberals (I'll let you choose just who a "liberal" is). And Brian Lamb constantly defends himself saying he has an unbiased coverage of views from guests of both sides, or "all persuasions." So someone is lying.

[bryant69]

37. Show me my posts that defend Bush

Except for the fact that I don't buy LIHOP, which is probably enough right there. (It's not enough that I believe President Bush has a lousy economic policy that has enriched the wealthy further and screwed the poor and an evil foreign policy that has made us hated around the world and led to needles Iraqi and American deaths. Nope to be a real liberal I have to believe that President Bush is a mass murderer).

You do understand that I was only pretending to be Karl Rove when I claimed you had no hope? While I personally don't believe you have no hope, I have to believe that's the sort of thing Karl Rove would say to you, given the opportunity.

If Lamb controls C-Span and is using it to promote pro-adminsitration views, don't you suppose he's doing it at the behest of Rove?

I suppose I'll need to go review all the C-Span programs; do a survey of how many liberals vs. how many conservatives appear and present my results. That will, understandably, take some time.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Skittles]

40. thou doth protest too much

WAY too much.

[Skittles]

28. you don't get it

you just don't get it

[John_H]

45. That's 180 degree's back asswards--CSPAN then and now presents

more GOP and wingnut programming than it does ours.

[H2O Man]

9. "they are a tool of...."

Interesting point. I would suggest that anyone who uses a tool has the power you speak of. In an hour, I will be working on a paper about a Revolutionary War-era Indian village near where I live. I have a number of artifacts found on the site in 1968-69. What is interesting to me is that the Indian people traded for "European" goods, then converted them into tools that fit the needs of their culture. Old metal pots were made into arrowheads, for example. It might be possible for our side to make creative use of the other side's tools .... and to use them for our advantage.

[KharmaTrain]

4. To Beat 'Em You Gotta Know 'Em

At least C-Span opens phones and gives viewers an honest shot at these oxygen thieves...that's sure better than what the others do.

I've believed that you hold your loved ones near and your enemies nearer. Also to learn about them since they rarely ever take the time to know you. This way you see their vulnerabilities and you're able to defend yourself and eventually overcome them.

C-Span puts a lot of AEI and Heritage institute hacks on, and their partisanship, arrogance and ignorance is so obvious it's not a bad thing for people to see. C-Span gives us the "warts"...the Grover Norquists, Gringrichs, Crystols and others unfiltered...and if we're ever to expose their hypocrisies, lies and deceptions we need to keep lights shined on them. This is where C-Span can and is very vaulable.

[Skittles]

5. what the f*** was that guy this morning

a guy asked him point blank why Bush allowed a plane to plow into the Pentagon and he ignored it at the urging of the host and talked about Iraq instead. I mean, what is that? Sickening.

[hexola]

7. To be fair...the caller started to ask one question....

And then slid in the WTC question...which was not necessarily related to the topic they were discussing...

[RetroLounge]

42. To be fair, I notice you defend the right quite a bit.

makes ya go hmmmmmmmm....

RL

[0007]

8. Frank Gaffney is one big liar and propagandist -

Why is it we can't shoot him down on his insinuations that Iraq was responsible for 911?

Frank Gaffney (Center for Security Policy) on Washington Journal right is spewing his lies and saying the same old bullshit how junior did the right thing by going into Iraq and that WMD were not the reason for going to war. It's better to fight 'em over there than here. I can't stand this man Frank Gaffney.

The crime cabal does this every morning with a different shill. When are the dems gonna wake up?

[Skittles]

12. exactly

thank you.

[0007]

15. Joe Wilson will be on Thursday - Don't miss it

Then on Friday we get Brain Lamb and his right wing morans. I hate Fridays.

[Skittles]

22. Fascist Fridays

I turn it on just long enough to shout BRIAN YOU'RE A F***ING FASCIST A**HOLE.

[hexola]

14. Why is it we can't shoot him down on his insinuations...

You can...the caller should have started with that line of reasoning...

But the way I heard it...the caller was slightly excited, and was changing the subject...the host was just trying to keep the exchange on point...

[hexola]

10. The Guest from Al-Jazzera would tend to contradict that sentiment...

Hafez Al-Mirazi - Al Jazeera Washington Bureau Chief...taling about having Richard Perle on his show...

[0007]

11. Yes, and Frank Gaffney said Al Jazeera is a propagandist

....and where can one find Frank Gaffney everyday? I'll tell you where, look at the big whore networks CNN MSNBC or the biggest whore of all the propagandist FAUX News

FAUX News would put Tokyo Rose to shame.

[KharmaTrain]

16. They've Both Spinmeisters...The Joy Of C-Span

The Al-Jezeerah dude is playing as mellow as I expect...I've got to give him and C-Span guts for coming on. For Freepers, this guy is Baghdad Bob without a mustache.

Somewhere between Gaffney and this guy is where the truth lies. I tend to side more toward the Al Jezeerah dude, but that's because it's his people who are getting killed.

[rman]

17. it's not like cspan only has neocon guests, do they?

i think c-span comes rather close to giving equal time to opposing views, which is exactly what the media should do. even though they don't have to since Reagan did away with the fairness doctrine.

[revcarol]

18. AEI, the Heritage Foundation, even the Cato institute

take up a DISPORPORTUNATE amount of time on C-Span. Right now they are having a two-hour AEI propaganda fest on Iraq. Did you know that we invaded Iraq to bring democracy to the Greater Middle East, so that's why "mission not accomplished."

AAAARRRGGHHH:argh: :argh:

They are almost dominating the airways of C-Span like they do commercial media.

Wish someone would keep track. MANY more neo-cons and conservative fundies and economic spokespeople that approve of Republican and Bush policies than liberals or progressives or Greens or environmentalists or critics of the offense budget...!!!!

[hexola]

20. Yeah well - wait till the Bill Clinton "Booknotes"...

and listen to the Freepers say "CSPAN is the mouth piece of Bill Clinton and the Democratic Party..."

[Ripley]

21. I wish someone would do that too.

There has got to be a FAIR report about the number of times extreme right wing orgs are on CSPAN and how many truly liberal orgs or people are on. I can't even remember the last time I saw someone like Jim Hightower or Katrina vandeheuvel on. They occasionally have a "journalist" from NYT or Post on and I suppose they would claim "there's your liberal media" to balance out the neocon whack jobs that are ALWAYS ON. I used to enjoy CSPAN for the "balance." Can't watch the whole journal anymore...

[tinanator]

39. no way

unless you call 3AM programming for non rightist stuff equal time. Their guests are far and away predominantly Heritage Foundation types. How many times has David Brock been on since he went straight?

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Not really. It seems that way and I know it's painful to hear the right

wingers spew their crap but it seems like when there is an obvious right wing shill on and cspan counters with someone from the left, the left guest appears more moderate than the right wing. Imo, that is what's happening. The right wing shills are so fricking extreme that the left wingers appear moderate.

[Q]

24. I no longer watch CSPAN...

...and now watch DEMOCRACY NOW instead.

- I tolerated it as long as I could...but it seemed like CSPAN was having more RWing than moderate or LWing guests. And more than often the LWing guests were appeasers and apologists who were afraid to tell the whole truth about the state of the union.

- CSPAN has gone the way of network and cable television...staying away from issues that would expose the lies and corruption of the Bush* Banana Republic.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

25. CSPAN is good for their coverage of the Senate, House, etc.

I could care less what spinmeisters they air when they aren't showing real-life video.

[Stephanie]

33. You made me look. Now I am getting my first close-up of Doug Feith

Low-life scum. Shouldn't he be in a jail somewhere for falsifying evidence? What a disgusting double-speaker.

[Snellius]

35. ''stupidest guy on the face of the earth''

According to Woodword's book that's what General Tommy Franks called Feith.

[The Blue Knight]

36. ...is "stupidest" even a word?

[tinanator]

38. better yet call in and call them on it

that is better than just letting them get away with it. Anybody with a clue that gets through can offset 50 know nothing fluff calls real quick!

[Lindsey]

41. I also have been so disappointed in CSPAN as of late...

It's astounding how often they have people on from The Heritage Foundation and other right wingers. Fridays with Brian Lamb have been especially upsetting lately. I guess the neocons have taken over CSPAN too. :-(

[tinanator]

44. It was always thus

they simply didnt have the Bush backdrop for 8 years. Lamb is a POS. Call them up and dish out the facts, they will stick out like a sore thumb among the bonehead calls.

[Borgnine]

43. Just watch it in the evenings like I do.

Their live feeds can't be beat, and it's almost the only place you can go to hear an entire Kerry speech uninterupted.