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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:57 PM
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Apparently we've found Saddam's WMDs
Of course this is from some website called insightmag.com, so I don't buy it...but what if this info were being suppressed for use at a later date? Of course that would require cooperation of too many people...

Investigative Report
Saddam's WMD Have Been Found
Post April 26, 2004
By Kenneth R. Timmerman

New evidence out of Iraq suggests that the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) is having better success than is being reported. Key assertions by the intelligence community that were widely judged in the media and by critics of President George W. Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all. But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

In virtually every case - chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles - the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:00 PM
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1. this "article" was posted a week ago
If they actually found WMD don't you think the Repubs would be shouting it from the rooftops?

just a freeper fantasy
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:37 PM
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11. Here is David Brock's take on it and more about the author
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Nalgenelover Snort Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:01 PM
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2. I don't buy it
Edited on Mon May-03-04 06:02 PM by Nalgenelover Snort
Hmm, "story not found." I wouldn't trust that website. It looks extremely biased. Just look at the poll on the right-hand side of the page.

Seriously, if we found WMD in Iraq, it would be all over the news. I can just imagine all the crowing and I-told-you-so's we'd have to put up with... t'would be quite sickening.

Edit: Heh... AZ beat me to it. ;)
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:01 PM
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3. Here are the headlines from their Politics section

Nuff said.




Politics
When Politicians and Celebrities Mingle
Posted May 3, 2004
A look inside the White House Correspondents' Dinner with the famous and the "famous for D.C."

Stuck With Kerry
Posted May 3, 2004
A growing number of liberals wish the Democratic Party would pull the plug on John Kerry's campaign.

Commentary: Tutwiler's Mission Impossible
Posted May 3, 2004
U.S. "image" czarina can't compete with al-Jazeera's and al-Arabyia's coverage of the occupation of Iraq.


The Insider Reports New TV Smear
Posted April 28, 2004
CBS show will feature tabloid-style expose of U.S. military detention centers holding Muslim terrorists.

GAO Questions U.S. Nuclear Security
Posted April 28, 2004
The threat of organized suicide attackers has turned nuclear security on its ear.

Mudslingers Send Political Message
Posted April 30, 2004
Behind the speeches, photo ops and pointed personal attacks are cagey chieftains of communication working to shape the image of George W. Bush and John Kerry.

Unconventional Approach: MTV-GOP Project Brings Youth Voice to Republican Nomination Gathering
Posted April 28, 2004
The music video network and the Republican Party are giving young voters the chance to speak out at the GOP convention.

Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric
Posted April 28, 2004
Bin Laden, al-Sadr and Kim Jong-il are using John Kerry's defeatist anti-Bush campaign both to stir up anti-Americanism worldwide and to divide Americans.

Not All Veterans Are Kerry's 'Brothers'
Posted April 28, 2004
Many veterans and veterans groups say they wouldn't want John Kerry as their commander in chief.

Opinion: Mrs. Heinz Kerry's Millions Buy Votes
Posted April 30, 2004
She refuses to release tax returns despite rescuing her husband's political career with a well-timed loan eight years ago.

When SuperCuts Just Won't Do
Posted April 27, 2004
John Kerry flies hairdresser to Pittsburgh for expensive touch-up before TV appearance.

Making News in the Middle East
Posted April 30, 2004
Among claims on Middle East media stations are that the United States "invented" Osama bin Laden.


Mario Cuomo's Anti-Jewish Tirade
Posted April 30, 2004
The liberal politico powerhouse sells out his Jewish constituency.

Opinion: Can We Trust This Man?
Posted April 30, 2004
There is a name for John Kerry's credibility problem: Bill Clinton.

The Smear Campaigns
Posted April 26, 2004
The Far Left has poured money into Bush-hating "527" groups, which straddle a fine line in an all-out effort to defeat the president.

Washington Diary
Skinny-dipping With Alligators
Posted April 26, 2004
The Washington press corps set traps for President Bush at his White House press conference, but his popularity in the polls shot up as a result of what the people saw.

Analysis: Cheney Peril in High Court Case
Posted April 26, 2004
Justice Department wants Cheney's energy advisory board records to be kept from the public.

Concerns Were Raised About Possible Implications of Gorelick Memo
Posted April 29, 2004
Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick rejected changes sought by prominent federal prosecutor.

WMD Hunters Ambushed in Baghdad
Posted April 26, 2004
At least three U.S. personnel were killed in the explosion of an alleged bomb-making factory.

Political Notebook
Fed Wizard's Policies Not Economic Magic
Posted April 26, 2004
Banks holding massive positions in derivatives are an unseen threat to the U.S. economy.

When His Mettle Is Tested, Kerry Turns Purple
Posted April 29, 2004
On a national TV news show the Democratic doublespeaker flares his temper over his medals controversy.

Sound of New Leftist Radio Network May Be Silenced
Posted April 29, 2004
Defying the network founders' expectations, Americans are ignoring this liberal listening alternative.

The Last Word
Posted April 26, 2004
Does U.S. China Policy Kowtow to the Reds?

Setting the Record Straight?
Posted April 27, 2004
Kerry campaign has hard time keeping up with its candidate's version of tossing his war medals.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:26 PM
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9. Consider the site's current poll question and allowed responses
Obviously a Freepish site. Just check out the current poll question and the allowed responses...

    What will be the long-term effect of the photos showing abuse of Iraqi prisoners of war?
    1. Virtually none because the incident was an anomaly.
    2. It will undermine all the good will Americans had built up in Iraq.
    3. It will prove disastrous to the war on terror.


Yes, those are the only 3 possibilities. Please.

A very quick review of the available options:

(1) the incident was an anomaly It was *not* an anomaly; the Feb review completed by Major General Antonio M. Taguba concluded "the institutional failures of the Army prison system were devastating." Besides, an anomaly -- or rumor or propaganda -- can be just as damaging as a rumor or a systemic problem. The only thing that will affect the long-term perception is what is done once the issue is identified/exposed.

(2) it will undermine all good will we've built up HUHWAH? What war are you watching? Please tune to any channel other than Faux News. Any goodwill present after the overthrow is now outweighed by ill feelings over the occupation and aggressive methods employed.

(3) It will prove disastrous to the war on terror. Yes, but only marginally moreso than the invasion and occupation of Iraq, itself, and the prejudicial siding with Sharon on his recent "peace" maneuvers. Exposure of the abuse issues can easily be used to extinguish any increased dissent, by openly addressing the charges and holding to account ALL of those responsible -- from the foot soldiers, to the interrogators, to the officers in charge of the prison system. Exposure of the abuse issues will only become "disastrous" if the investigation is handled poorly, if suspicions and questions are left unaddressed.

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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 06:48 AM
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21. i don't get what you mean by nuff said
Edited on Tue May-04-04 06:51 AM by bearfartinthewoods
i have seen more than half of these items in major news media.

if you are going to debunk a source, you ought to do better than nuff said.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:01 PM
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4. This is an embelished version of the Kay
Edited on Mon May-03-04 06:03 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Report.

It has all the revelant info on patterns and labs. I read the
whole darn thing when Kay released it (the unclass section) and
listened to his testimony to Congress
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:05 PM
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5. Aah! That's a scary site!
Did you see the poll on the front page? I wouldn't even know how to DU it because none of the answers are quite right.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:07 PM
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6. CNS, Insight, GOPUsa, NewsMax, FreeRepublic. What's the difference
They say it, it is propaganda. We laugh. We know. We don't take the bait.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:39 PM
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17. True. BUT...
At the same time, we have to remember that there are lots of people who do take these things seriously. We have to be prepared to debunk these things in more public forums.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:21 PM
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7. Work of Fiction
This article was posted a week or so ago. It is not believable in any respect.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:21 PM
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8. Cheney still considers the "Trailers"
as the smoking gun for WMD. If you believe him, you need not another once of proof. I think many Americans are beginning see that this war is not worth it (unfortunately it took the worst month so far to open some eyes).

Cheers
Drifter


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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:34 PM
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10. I don't have faith in the public
I don't have faith that the public views this war as the wrong thing to do at its core. I believe, as you say, that the public is evolving to the opinion that it isn't worth the cost.

That's my dilemma... The public is still viewing this war on a sliding cost/benefit scale, rather than seeing it as misguided in its basic premise.

Wouldn't a necessary and just war be "worth it" regardless of the cost? If we're even asking whether the relative "benefits" of the war are worth the cost, doesn't that indicate that this was a war of choice and not necessity?

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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:39 PM
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12. gone now...nt
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:46 PM
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13. Bunk
Here's a copy of the e-mail I just sent to the author of the article.

Re: Saddam's WMD Have Been Found

Nice try, but your contentions fall flat on their face with a bare minimum of knowledge and reason.

1) What Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld PROMISED and told us they KNEW we would find, have not been found. There has not been discovered one single WMD WEAPON.

2) The controversial longer range missiles were being destroyed under UN supervision. Proving that the UN inspections program was working.

3) For an unprovoked attack, invasion, and occupation of another sovereign nation, calling agricultural chemicals weapons precursors is just not good enough. Morally, starting a war requires a higher threshold of evidence.

4) For a country like the US that believes in the rule of law, it is ethically and morally hypocritical to participate in the UN Security Council process, then when it is not getting exactly what it wants, go outside the rules and do whatever it wants ... Then retrospectively claim it was just enforcing UN mandates. That is a recipe for global chaos. The Security Council did not approve a second resolution, it did not approve an attack on Iraq. Consequently, Bush has made himself and the US an international outlaw nation. The Bush disdain for the Constitutions requirement that we abide by ratified treaties (like the UN treaty) is something a REAL conservative would find reprehensible.

Jeez ... just face it. Bush lied to you. The UN inspectors were on the ground searching with CIA assistance, so the best available information at the time Bush ordered the attack showed no threatening weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Bush conned you. Deal with it.

Dave C.
Denver, CO
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:46 PM
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14. supposedly they planted
and i could see they hold this information. and from comments they have made in recent past to pump this. i see them bringing the weapons story out right before convention or right after and gain the momentum, real loud and drown out the voice of plants. and give them the pump and then attack kerry and democrats for questioning bush
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:31 PM
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15. When Cornered, Punt with a LIE
These Pubs, if it were true, you just know it would be headlines clear across the Planet. Even the Tuvian Star would carry the story on Pg 1.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:33 PM
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16. I posted this article last week.
Insight is emphatically not a credible source. Believe me, if there was the slightest evidence of WMDs, we'd never hear the end of it in the mainstream press.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:41 PM
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18. At this point, it may not matter.
We're probably already on our way out.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 01:07 AM
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19. Tomorrow
Tomorrow I'm going to email Glen Rangwala, Joe Conason and the other lefty writers I like and respect and ask them to address this issue. Whenever similarly ridiculous reports surfaced earlier in the war, they were quick to address it; this one hardly seems to have gotten noticed (but IMHO it needs to be).
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 06:25 AM
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20. Moonie rag
nt
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