Desperate Boortz talking point

[ima_sinnic]

A caller said Bush lied to the people and should be impeached. Boortz said "LYING is not impeachable. Only HIGH CRIMES & MISDEANORS are impeachable. If he had LIED UNDER OATH, now that would be impeachable, THAT would be a crime." According to Boortz, "all politicians are liars." So I guess we shrug and walk away from the invasion/occupation of a sovereign nation in violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions, wholesale slaughter of more than 7,000 Iraqis, theft of a sovereign nation's resources, dissolution of trust in the highest office in the land, false assurances of "security," call for innocent military personnel to risk their lives in order to enlarge the coffers of a few corporations--all on the basis of fabricated "evidence" of an imminent threat--and he can't be held accountable because he was never under oath when he appealed to the citizenry and their representatives to support him on it?

what is your answer to this? Isn't an "oath" sort of implicit in a State of the Union address? Maybe from now on the President should be required to solemnly swear on a bible, before making ANY statements, that what I am about to tell you is the god's honest truth. Then THAT loophole couldn't be used. What a crock!

[LuminousX]

1. From now on

before the President gives the State of the Union, he needs to say, "I swear to tell the Truth, the whole Trush, and nothing but the Truth."

[southernfried]

2. that would resolve the issue

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[MUAD_DIB]

4. Didn't President Shithead have to

take the oath of office?

I think he is "under oath for as long as he is in the WH.

[dfong63]

3. how about when the lies result in dead american soldiers?

... does that qualify as a "high crime/misdemeanor"?

[drdigi420]

5. the bush cartel

wants all 'high' crimes to be a felony, not a misdemeanor

lying to justify murder is criminal

Bush should be more than impeached, he should be tried for war crimes and executed.

[mumon]

6. The oath of office :

Always wondered why not impeach the bastard for not upholding the constitution?

[sandnsea]

7. SOTU Constitutionally required

Somebody else posted that little fact earlier. Since it's constitutionally required and a statement to Congress, I would think that it is the most truthful thing a President has to say is a given.

If not, invading a foreign country unless your own country is in immediate danger is a war crime. So the bastard is still guilty.

[proud patriot]

17. Here's that link ... STOU is a Constitutional requirement

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=15920&mesg_id=15920&page=

[Monte Carlo]

8. Decieving a nation to go to war is also a crime, Mr. Boortz...

... he who can explain away much when necessary.

[Cocoa]

9. what's impeachable is whatever the House says is impeachable

anyway, the point isn't whether any one thing is impeachable.

The point is to raise enough questions to force further investigations, which will no doubt lead to worse and worse revelations.

And even if Bush and the republicans resist the investigations, their resisting will look really bad. It already looks terrible.

[southernfried]

11. not really

there are rules and, so far as has been demonstrated, he's not broken one.

Come on, nobody likes him but this insistance that he be made to be drug down the paths Clinton was dragged is counter-produtive. Get the press interested enough to get some facts and then let things take their course.

[Eloriel]

10. My answer is

it's a pretty goddamned high crime to lie the nation into war, accounting for hundreds of American deaths (with no end in sight), THOUSANDS of Iraqi deaths, the destruction of a sovereign nation, and billions of tax dollars spent.

If that ain't a high crime, I really don't know what is.

Boortz is an idiot. But then, that's not news, is it?

Eloriel

[Paranoid_Portlander]

12. Boortz is a LINO.

Libertarian In Name Only.

[umcwb]

13. LINO?

I don't agree with everything Boortz has to say, but his stance on taxation and limited government is very libertarian.

Case in point: his program notes on Lawrence v. Texas.

"BUT HERE BOORTZ IS IN THE MINORITY

I get the rather strong impression that I’m in a minority here. I agree with the Supreme Court decision yesterday regarding the sodomy law in Texas. All I heard yesterday was people gnashing their teeth over the “gay agenda.” Just what is this gay agenda? Are people concerned that homosexuals might want you to accept their “lifestyle” as normal? Well, guess what? It IS normal … for homosexuals! If I were to eat squid my friends would consider that to be abnormal behavior. They know I don’t eat squid, no matter what fancy Italian name you may give it. You may lover calamari. If that’s the case, eating squid would be a perfectly normal act for you. Go for it. I just don’t want to watch.

My view on this Supreme Court decision is strictly libertarian. No action taken by a human being should be considered a crime by the state unless that action deprives another human being of their life, liberty or property through either force or fraud. Two consenting adults participating in the sexual act of their choice in a private setting deprives no other person of their right to life, liberty or property. Nobody is harmed, nobody is defrauded. I do not want the government in my bedroom. If I don’t want the government in my bedroom then what is the justification for asking the government to go regulate someone else’s sexual conduct? "

His stance on immigration:

"SO, YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IMMIGRATION?

So, you don’t like all those illegal aliens in your community? Hey, I sympathize. But I do want you to consider one question. Would you, if you could, push a button that would turn the INS loose in your community? Would you push that button if every single illegal immigrant in your community would be rounded up and shipped out in 24 hours? Go ahead! Do it and watch residential construction grind to an immediate halt. Watch people lose their deposits on new homes as builders go bankrupt. Watch the price of those homes that are completed increase by as much as 20 percent or more. Get a clue. Those illegal immigrants are there because there is a demand for them. You have heard of the law of supply and demand, haven’t you? And don’t give me that nonsense about taking jobs away from U.S. citizens. Those U.S. citizens you’re talking about just flat don’t want to do those jobs. Too much like work. When some Americans start to re-discover a little thing known as “work ethic” you might see a bit of a drop in illegal immigrants."

His stance on abortion and the Confederate Battle Flag:

"Clip this. Write this down. Put this on your ‘fridge. Carve it into stone. Your Talkmaster is about to present to you two things that are NEVER going to change. You can protest, yell, scream, vote, pray, urge, beg, implore, deplore, and hold your breath until you cover every part of the visible spectrum … but these two things are NEVER going to change.

1. The Confederate battle emblem will never return to prominence in the Georgia State Flag.

2. First trimester abortions will never again be illegal in the United States.

So .. for you Flaggots out there, and for the anti-choice crowd, you would be well advised to accept reality and start to put your political efforts into areas where you actually might have a chance of making a difference.

This, by the way, applies to George Bush too. You might be able to nominate a Supreme Court Justice who realizes that our government is based on the rule of law, and who actually believes that our Constitution is worthy of respect; and you might have a chance of getting that nominee confirmed. Those chances diminish, however, if you appoint some vocal anti-abortion zealot to the court. Democrats will fight it, and the Democrats will have enough support from the people to carry the day. "

He is Libertarian. If you will note in the original post, he never said that Bush did not lie, never said that there should not be consequences, he merely laid out the criteria for impeachment set forth in the Constitution. I disagree with him that Bush's lie was not a "high crime and misdemeanor", for what is a higher misdemeanor than a lie that results in troops dying under false pretenses? However, unless the House decides that he is in fact guilty of the crimes necessary to be impeached, then he cannot be impeached.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

14. lying during the STATE OF THE UNION

should be impeachable

[IggleDoer]

18. At minimum, it is comptempt of Congress!

n/t

[Melinda]

15. Someone needs send Boortz Nuremburg Trial Articles

ARTICLE 6

The Tribunal established by the Agreement referred to in Article 1 hereof for the trial and punishment of the major war criminals of the European Axis countries shall have the power to try and punish persons who, acting in the interests of the European Axis countries, whether as individuals or as members of organizations, committed any of the following crimes.

The following acts, or any of them, are crimes coming within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal for which there shall be individual responsibility:

(a) Crimes against Peace: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a Common Plan or Conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;

(b) War Crimes: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war. Such violations shall include, but not be limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity;

(c) Crimes against Humanity: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war,14 or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of domestic law of the country where perpetrated.

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Guess how many of the above "crimes" the * cabal has committed so far? Has the bar fallen so low that lying about a personal affair constitutes grounds for impeachment, but that lying, obfuscating, distorting or otherwise intentionally misrepresenting intelligence about any nuclear threat, in the Constitutionally mandated a SOTU address, soley for the purpose of manipulating public opinion is a high crime?

And if * really didn't know? Then he is incompetent, and needs to be removed. * and Boortz are both idiots.

Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War and Crimes Against Peace

Get a rope.

[Mechatanketra]

16. Just plain wrong

Someone needs to inform Boortz that "conspiracy to defraud the United States" is a felony, and withholding information from Congress is a misdemeanor (cf. Iran/Contra). Both are effectively thus impeachable offenses.