Joe Wilson not waiting for investigation, will out the traitor himself

[59millionmorons]

"The Bush administration is bracing itself for the latest memoir by a former insider," The Independent reports. "Joe Wilson, a former ambassador, will this week reveal the name of the government official who 'outed' his wife -- revealing her identity as a CIA operative in apparent revenge for his role in proving the White House made false claims about Iraq's efforts to develop nuclear weapons."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=516301

[newsguyatl]

1. are we sure he will out one specific person?

i was reading a write up on it a couple days ago and wilson said he will all BUT out someone... :shrug:

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. If he can't prove it for sure, he can't say it, can he?

Don't want him to get in trouble.

[cmayer]

33. My guess is that he wants to be sued.

If he nails the perps, and they actually did it, a trial would lead to discovery and depositions under oath. If he names the wrong suspect and is sued the whole thing would get about the same degree of coverage as Martha Stewart. It's lose-lose for Buschco.

[lancdem]

7. That might be the case

If he did name the person, couldn't that possibly affect the investigation?

[HootieMcBoob]

45. That's what I was worried about

But I'm sure he's had lawyers go over his stuff. I just wouldn't want it to jeopardize anything that's ongoing.

[GiovanniC]

67. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HEE HEE *SNORT*

That was a funny joke, but next time make sure you use "air-quotes" around "investigation".

[nosmokes]

58. great, very informative thread

thanks for the education, y'all

[Th1onein]

59. The libel and slander laws are different for public personalities than

they are for everyday people. You have to have malicious intent, in these cases. Hard to prove.....but no one will sue.

[Beaker]

71. instead of naming the traitor-

he could name all the people on the white house payroll who weren't The Treasonous Bastard.

[freetobegay]

2. I can't wait for tomorrow!

This is going to be good.

[VolcanoJen]

14. We probably won't have to wait that long.

After 10:00 pm EDT, the major daily newspapers go live with their morning headlines.

Believe you me, I'm gonna be hittin' my NYTimes and Washington Post links like a madwoman, starting around 9:59 tomorrow night...

[Renew Deal]

30. It will leak.

It has to. Someone somewhere must know someone somewhere at a book store.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. Unlike Bob "Whorewoodward's" half-baked "book" that could easily...

spun to make * look good, this book will be damning. I wonder what Rove and Novak are thinking right now??? :scared:

:nopity:

[Hokie]

4. Bob Woodward

Has he released his mouth from Bush's unmentionable parts yet?

[SeveneightyWhoa]

53. Nope!

Not really, he hasn't.

[Generator]

5. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

I need to buy a subscription to that Independent. They have all the real stories. They are the ones covering Sibel Edmonds.

[FreakinDJ]

8. Proves Bush could care less about weapons of mass destruction

This proves they could care less about stopping weapons of mass destruction. CIA information is our first line defense against terrorist developing these weapons.

Here out of spite the administration destroys our intelligence gathering mechanisms in the region.

Like they always did know there are no weapons. The only threat in the region is the one they are creating by killing and attacking these countries

[berner59]

10. Big day...

Bush & Cheney being grilled by 9/11 commish.... Poll numbers down...going to be 75 in NY... What if it's Cheney?? What a day it will be!!

[Generator]

13. Hey, as Kerry said, "They did it because they could"

Which should send a shiver into any thinking being, American or not.

Also, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855109/

Iraq congress members under investigation
Allegations include abduction, robbery, assault, car theft

All this comes in the wake of findings that key intelligence on weapons of mass destruction provided by Chalabi’s group was false, perhaps even fabricated.

In fact, the former head of the weapons hunt, David Kay, questions why a group that provided “fabricated information” is still on the U.S. payroll. “You know, once taken, excused," says Kay. "Twice taken you’re an idiot. And I think we’re now at the point of we’re really an idiot.”


Were still paying these criminals for "intelligence". What a farce this government is.

[FreakinDJ]

16. Were paying these criminals not to talk

Hush money plain and simple

I am sure it goes much farther then just plain accepting information from an unreliable source. Its more like they were coached in what would be needed to invoke American Congress into War.

Remember this information was not just feed to the American People. They had a special closed door session for the law makers. One filled with even more lies and detailed information.

Like who gathered the information and WHO APPROVED IT

We need some of the Dems to take a stand and start naming names. This lets blame the intelligence community story doesn't wash and we know here by this story it is not going to wash.

Time for the DEMOCRATS to start naming names

[Generator]

17. Wake up Dems, the ovewhelming evidence you was played is there

I agree, obviously it was what they wanted to hear, so it was valuable intel. What didn't match their agenda was tossed out.

[lovedems]

18. Ah, but do you notice how good our intelligence has gotten in the last

couple months with the war in Iraq and the hunt for terrorists?

Suddenly our CIA seems to be raking in all the good tips.

I think it should be obvious that there wasn't anything wrong with the intelligence, it was the intelligence of those in power who had something wrong with them, like a hell bent notion that they wanted to invade Iraq.

[FreakinDJ]

20. EXACTLY

If the intel wasn't what they wanted to hear then out the window it went..................

Mr President Sir....Er ...Er... there are middle eastern men paying cash for 767 flight simulator lessons. They don't want to learn how to take off and land. just turn and crash into tall buildings.

No thank you!...You mindless twit...I am much too busy golfing with my buddy Kenny Boy...

[Old and In the Way]

19. You are correct.

Personal security comes before national security with these pricks.

How does outing a CIA operative who is involved with tracking WMD purchases by terrorists help our security? It doesn't. This administration put revenge for Wilson being honest about the facts of the Niger yellowcake story ahead of our national security interests in maintaining his wife's cover.

Whatever happened with the WH "investigation" of the leakers...didn't Bush say that he wanted to get to the bottom of that leak? Don't tell me he lied to us....again?

[leesa]

44. That's also why they don't worry about terrorists. They KNOW it's

all hype...they created it. Strapping a bomb around yourself and setting it off is a desparation act by powerless people.

[madmax]

9. AAAaaarggghh

I've ordered it through Amazon along with 3 other books and they aren't shipping till June 16th. With delivery expected between June 22-24.

Anyone going out tomorrow to buy the book? Please post who outed his wife Val. We'll pay you :evilgrin:

[Renew Deal]

29. Break up your order

Or cancel part of it. That should speed it up.

[madmax]

42. I could do that or buy it this week and

give the one I get with the Amazon shipment to my sister-in-law. She hates bush, too. And she loves to read.

She gave me 'A Problem From Hell - America and the Age of Genocide' by Samantha Power. I haven't started it yet, too many bush books to read. I'm almost done with House of Bush....

If this book helps bring bush down and Kerry picks Clark for his VP.
I'll, I'll, shit I don't know what I do but it will be mind blowing.
:evilgrin:

[CalebHayes]

11. I bet its Rove

[powergirl]

12. I THOUGHT BUSH WAS THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATING THE LEAK

and heads were supposed to roll. Oh, I am so surprised that he has not been able to crack this mystery. (sarcasm here)


Can you imagine what the press/RNC would do if this happened in the Clinton Administration????

[Pepperbelly]

15. Only if the culprit is hiding in the bottom of a hi-ball glass. nt

[Tatiana]

21. So if Joe Wilson can find out who the traitor is....

Why can't the Justice Department?

Sickening. I will be puchasing the book tomorrow morning. I'm sure it will be #1 on all the Bestseller's lists.

[FreakinDJ]

22. It might be hearsay

good enough for a book but not an indictment

[Tatiana]

23. But wouldn't Ambassdor Wilson be opening himself up to slander charges?

I find it very hard to believe he would put the traitor(s)' name(s) in print if he didn't have evidence. Of course, if he had evidence, then DOJ would almost be compelled to seriously investigate and/or ask a grand jury to indict.

[FreakinDJ]

24. Remember a while back there was a WP artical

Some one in the white house was talking and naming names in this incident.

If Joe quotes that source then verifys it once again "For the record" then I beleive he personaly is released from liability.

[madmax]

25. Truth is an absolute defense against libel.

So if he's right and he can prove it, he can't be prosecuted.

On edit: Or sued.

[Hepburn]

40. No publisher, IMO....

....is gonna take the chance on publishing that book and having someone outted in that scandal unless there is some really hard info that has been corroborated. Might not be enough info for a criminal prosection, but enough that there to fend off a civil suit. Besides: IMO, BushCo would not want to sue in a civil court and be subject to civil discovery processes. Just my opinion and I think they have waaay too much to hide and they know the evidence is there.

[newsguyatl]

26. some of you are mistaken

the book releases FRIDAY not tomorrow.

i believe this article came out tonight, but it's dated tomorrow and thus its references of "tomorrow" actually mean friday, the 30th.

[madmax]

28. I kept looking at my calendar. Amazon and

Borders both say release date April 30. Thought DU'ers had some inside knowledge. ;)

[blondeatlast]

37. Release dates are always tentative--

Baker and Taylor say April 30th for the spoken word editions; May 5 for the print. This is from their subscription distribution database; as accurate as the PUBLISHERS make it, since all the info comes from the publishers.

Books and media are traditionally released on Tuesdays with VERY rare exceptions.

The library for which I work doesn't have it yet, and we order HOT titles pre-pub for release on street date (NEVER before--the boxes are opened on street date).

BTW, a bookstore employee who would leak this would get probably get their ass fired; publishers stop shipping to retailers that let that kind of stuff happen and they don't mess around about it.

[Generator]

35. Let's hope April is cruelest month for Shrub- the last day whoohoo!

That's right it's London time.

[Hotdiggitydog]

41. I want election day in November to be the cruelest day for *

Complete and total repudiation for his disastrous policies. Bush really is a Miserable Failure.

[riverwalker]

27. a refresher for those not following

this is the exact quote from Novak, note he says "two senior administration" officials, not government, indicating directly to oval office:
"Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report."

And this is the article by Wilson that got his wife outed:

"What I Didn't Find In Africa"
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

[newsguyatl]

31. thanks, good info.

i honestly think of all the atrocities this administration has committed, this (if anything) will be the scandal that lights the fire to ruin.

[riverwalker]

34. me too, think this will bring the house down

the law is clear, the trail is there, we just have to follow it. I really believe he is planning something horrid in Iraq to consume the media's attention away from this.

[Tatiana]

36. I don't think Ambassador Wilson pushed up the release date for nothing.n/t

[newsguyatl]

38. i think you're right

how much you wanna bet the all out assault on fallujah happens friday. it'll be massive, another shock and awe... and the nets will be consumed by it...

[Stephanie]

49. I've always thought so too

I've been talking about this since last July and wagging my finger at people and saying "mark my words." I really think this is the scandal that unravels the whole dirty story of this maladministration. Just think about the unravelling that could start from the Plame outting.

They outted Plame because her husband exposed the WMD lies

They lied about WMDs because they had the Iraq war all planned and just needed a justification for it

They had the Iraq war planned because they were committed to the PNAC plan for American hegemony and domination of the ME

They ignored the warnings about impending Al Queda attacks because they wanted an impetus to get their PNAC wars on

Just please take the Plame case to trial and let's get some discovery going.

[riverwalker]

32. and here is the law

U.S. Code as of: 01/02/01
Section 421. Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources

(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had
access to classified information that identifies covert agent
Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified
information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses
any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not
authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the
United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be
fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or
both.
(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of
covert agents as result of having access to classified
information
Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified
information, learns the identify of a covert agent and
intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert
agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified
information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies
such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative
measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship
to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned
not more than five years, or both.
(c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of
activities intended to identify and expose covert agents
Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to
identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that
such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence
activities of the United States, discloses any information that
identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not
authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the
United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such
individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United
States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than
three years, or both.
(d) Imposition of consecutive sentences
A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be
consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment.

[meow mix]

39. lets have a frogmarching party

everyone must wear flippers, goggles and waterwings are optional.

[FreakinDJ]

47. When did this term "Frog" start getting so popular

As I remember it It is a term VERY BIGOTED PEOPLE use on any one who is not white.

Actually it was used against me as some dick head tried to run out of a waffle house in Georgia

Now I find it very interesting the Pro Bush Freeper types have begun to use it in the references toward France or any one that does not support the current administration or war

This really supports my argument that the majority of this pro-war group, the religious war is really about bigotry pure and simple.

[Stephanie]

55. I think you are confusing two different terms

"Frog" is a bigoted term used against the French.

"Frog March" describes a method of parading a handcuffed suspect.

[calimary]

56. I think it was Wilson, himself, who was quoted as saying

he looked forward to seeing these people "frog-marched out of the White House" or some such wording. That's where it got started, as far as I can recall.

[Stephanie]

57. That's it - here is the transcript.

This transcript is by me, taken from a video of an event hosted by Inslee of WA. The link is from last July - I haven't tested to see if it's still good. The video was viewable there.

http://www.house.gov/inslee/meetings.htm

Q - Hello, Mr. Wilson, assuming what Robert Novak said about your wife was true and the seriousness of that, can we expect the FBI to give a complete, unhindered investigation into that, and find out wherever it leads to?

W - I’m not sure I know how to answer that, because we’re talking hypotheticals. The way the process works is, if this were to have been true, the CIA will do an internal investigation and determine whether or not in their judgment a law has been broken. They then refer it to the Justice Department, who takes another look at it, and then it’s referred to the FBI for further investigation.

Now, despite the fact that John Ashcroft is in charge of the Justice Department, this violation, if it is in fact a violation, is one that is a violation of a professional, and the investigation and the looking into this will be done essentially by professionals.

Now there is a lot of interest in Congress. Henry Waxman has been keenly interested in this and offered all sorts of support. Chuck Schumer, Mr. Gun Control, came out and made a statement to the effect that, if true, this is like putting a gun to the head of an agent. John Dean, of all people, just wrote the other day that the President should have extended Secret Service protection to me and my family as a consequence of this. He didn’t, by the way, I must say. Although I will tell you, I think that they’re scared to death that I might stub my toe.

But I have confidence that at the professional level that whatever they think is doable will be done. My own sense is that, and I’ve told the FBI this, that should they decide to undertake an investigation that I want to talk with them to see how I can best support the investigation, not do anything to impede it. And I think I do have a vote in this, since Congress has basically said we will do anything we can to support you. And the question is whether or not having Chuck Schumer and Hillary and others go forward and talk about this openly, Dick Durbin, impedes or helps the investigation down the road.

But we’ll see. I mean I don’t think we’re going to let this drop. At the end of the day it’s of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure my words.

[FreakinDJ]

63. Thanks for the clarification everyone

[leesa]

43. Good. If the legal system of this country refuses to do its job

then it has to be done by better folk. Maybe our worthless media will begin to catch on that people are GETTING the truth despite their best efforts to hide it.

[osaMABUSh]

46. What's going on with the investigation?

I thought indictments were imminent?

I'd be happy though if broke over the Summer and filled up the TV screens.

[revcarol]

48. I* still think they will get Cheney for insider trading of Halliburton

stock first, that will make him resign, then go to prison(can't make prison only for female Martha.)Sold Halliburton at $55, knowing full well that Halliburton had just acquired an asbestos liability with the purchase of another company, then the stock went to
$12!!

[Stephanie]

50. I want a husband just like Joe Wilson

He's slaying dragons for her. He's awesome.

[Fleshdancer]

54. You're right. He is slaying dragons for his wife

I think my husband would do the same for me. I know I would for him.

Another good husband is the man married to Natalie Maines (outspoken Dixie Chick). His name is Adrian Pasdar and he's a lawyer on Judging Amy. Anyway, I read this article about him today and when conservative Texans would attempt to approach him about what his wife said at a concert, he would respond: "You can say whatever you want politically. But start up about my wife and you're going to get a boot in your ass. So watch your step". :)

Needless to say, I'm a big fan of this couple.

[Tellurian]

51. Getting back to Ambassador Wilson's leaker(s)..

From all the clues so far..

I think Cheney issued the order to Rove, and Rove like the good little 'frog marcher' he is-- leaked it to the press..

I might be wrong- we'll see!

[Tellurian]

52. For anyone who doesn't know what PNAC is...link here:

link

[loudsue]

60. The last news update I had about the Grand Jury Investigation

was that they already knew who leaked Val Plame's identity, and indictments would be handed down. However, they had also uncovered information that even more laws may have been broken, and more "serious crimes" may have been committed than what they had originally thought.

:tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:

Ok! Here's MY fantasy! Ever since I read that, I've been thinking sort of along the lines of the scenario mentioned earlier in this thread (Stephanie in Post #49):

Preface: Remember! You CANNOT LIE TO A GRAND JURY, and YOU HAVE TO ANSWER ANYTHING THEY ASK YOU OR YOU WILL GO TO JAIL!!!

1. The Grand Jury finds out that they were pushing the phoney Iraq intelligence through on purpose in order to bomb Iraq, which they were already going to do anyway.
2. As an incidental consequence of some questioning of White House Aides, the Grand Jury also finds out things that were going on leading up to the Iraq war....aides end up explaining previous policy on covering things up, and obfuscating the truth.
3. Suddenly the 9/11 issue comes into play.
4. Through further questioning, the Grand Jury finds out that everybody in the White House KNEW 9/11 was going to happen that day.

and.....WA LA! The very carefully prefabricated, sanitized, 9/11 commission is suddenly REDUNDANT!! The TRUTH of 9/11 is in the HANDS OF THE GRAND JURY!!! EXACTLY WHERE IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO BEGIN WITH!!

Ok. That's my fantasy. But the rumor mill in Washington is that they already have Rove doing a perp walk....which is why Karen Hughes has shown up again.

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[anarchy1999]

62. That was one hell of an orgas.... fantasy....... Wow. Made me laugh.

Okay, if enough of us start to dream this we can make it happen, right?

Oh, please let something big happen, sometime soon. I'm in John Dean's camp, and Bill Moyers and Kevin Phillips and ........ WE HAVE NO TIME TO LOSE! I don't think we can wait for November.

Screech.......Fantasy Ended on a Sour Note. Sorry.

[snippy]

66. I think there was a large criminal conspiracy to leak Plame's identity.

That conspiracy is a separate felony from the actual leaking of her identity. I think that conspiracy involves most, if not all, of the members of the White House Iraq Group run by Andy Card. Some of the reasons for this theory are here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=142863#142952



I also believe that the Grand Jury has been investigating the cover up of the identity of the leaker as another felony, probably obstruction of justice. There may have been a criminal conspiracy involved on those charges also.

[loudsue]

61. This sucker needs a kick!

:kick::kick::kick:

[drfemoe]

64. Who is it?

Where's the story?

[Gin]

65. I'm waiting for the name to be released...any ideas when and where?

gin

[drfemoe]

68. nope

I keep searching google news for "Joe Wilson" .. even looked at yahoo news (which I loathe). Maybe I'll check Drudge :( ..

[alfredo]

69. The leaker was...

Clinton's dick.

[Sparkly]

70. I knew it!

n/t

[mountebank]

72. Mini-article on Wilson book from WP.

See this thread from the Editorials discussion board.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x47822

[loudsue]

73. Let's send this sucker back to the top!

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick: