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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:48 AM
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Kerry's campaign is starting to remind me of Gore 2000
Is Donna Brazil part of Kerry's team?
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:51 AM
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1. Did Gore demand Bush prove his guard service?
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 12:52 AM by jpgray
They seem to be different campaigns, thus far.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:58 AM
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10. no, but Kerry in 2000 attacked bush/cheney for saying gore was AWOL
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:52 AM
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2. Kerry has lots of weapons and will only use them when best
needed.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:52 AM
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3. In what way? Specifics please
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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:08 AM
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13. Allowing * to define him and put him on the defense. The defensive posture
instead of an offensive one.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:38 AM
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16. Oh, allow me...
By not vehemently refuting charges and hammering them until they're not just nullified, but turned upon the accusers, the Kerry camp is being quite like Gore's campaign. The "inventing the internet" distortion should have been aggressively fought, just as the dog issue should have.

When the enemy accuses you of something that's untrue or extremely misrepresented, it has to be repeatedly countered, until the point's reached that it can never be used again, then it has to be taken as an offensive issue to show how deceitful they are.

The $87B vote is a huge issue, and Kerry has to say that he was voting against Bush's greedy and unaccountable giveaway, not against the troops. Bush's plans are not the only solution, and voting against incompetent or greedy plans is what legislators are supposed to do.

The SUV issue is a good one: although minor in the long run, the accumulation of small things happens quickly. Kerry should say that this vehicle belongs to his wife and/or her grown children from a previous marriage; not only is it an false accusation, it's yet another example of this administration not being able to get simple facts straight and being desperate. (See that? It was easily turned against them, and used to further hammer home an important talking point: the amateurish incompetence of this mob.)

The medals issue is serious: he NEVER said that he'd thrown away ALL of his medals and ribbons, and since he displayed them on his office wall, he didn't run from this either. He should demand them to show where he said that he'd thrown them all away. He can then go onto the attack against one-note Junior: maybe he never changes his mind, but some of us do, and we take responsibility for our actions.

The commercial claiming that he'd raise taxes by $900B in his first 100 days is sheer fancy, and it should be jammed down their throats.

The fact that he's voted to raise taxes should be expressed as this: he voted to raise HIS OWN TAXES and those of other rich people, because he recognizes his responsibility to his countrymen, whereas Junior maneuvers to REDUCE HIS OWN TAXES, and then pleads poverty as an excuse to take services away from the poor.

It's not enough to just refute charges--which he isn't really doing--but it has to be done vigorously, and when the tide's turned on a specific issue, it needs to be brought up over and over as an example of their incompetence and lack of principles.

Yes, this smacks of the Gore campaign. Gore was spooked by the right's hatred of Clinton and purposely put the most vocal anti-Clinton Democrat (Quisling Joe) on the ticket with him. Ya might as well put on a hair shirt and apologize for having consorted with the Devil. Hell, THAT would have been better; it would have at least addressed the situation. In precisely the same way, John Kerry should not run from the term "Liberal"; he should say "call me that if you want, it's a good thing" Liberals gave you the FDA, SEC, Social Security, Medicare, Civil Rights, labor laws and basically everything that lifted us out of the savagery of the gilded age. He also has to have a straight answer for his Gulf War I vote. These things aren't going to go away.

Yes. Very much like Gore.

I have high hopes for the guy, though, and I think he may have some personality traits that are endearing to people: he comes across as shy and awkward, whereas Gore was aloof, and he comes across as someone who's given back to the society that gave him so much. There's a sadness to him, but he shows up for duty and manages a smile; somewhere in the hearts of many, that brings reassurance.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:53 AM
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4. Thankfully, no
Donna only spends time working for CNN
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:54 AM
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5. There is one thng they have in common
the Right Wing press. They do not pay attention to Kerry and repeat
the talkng points of the RNC, so write to the local papers and the national media.

They need to see that WE are unto them

After that, the campaigns are different and yes, Kerry is really giving the kid who served in a champagne and caviar squadron
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:55 AM
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6. The media is trying to paint him like they did Gore
but Kerry will not let them. When the time is right the outrage will be expressed
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:57 AM
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7. Interesting. Gore won. Bush stole.
I believe we're aware here that Bush will try and steal this one, too.

Now, what else were you saying?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:57 AM
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8. Good! We'll win again!
And, c'mon, what are the odds of the SCOTUS getting involved again? If Kerry is matching Gore, I like those odds...
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:58 AM
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9. I have to disagree
I was thinking today how much more effective Kerry is with counter-spin than Gore. Bush brings up the "medals issue" and Kerry is back on the offensive challenging Bush to prove he is not AWOL.

Powell asks Kerry to name to name the foreign leaders supporting him and Kerry's Press Secretary issues a statement to foreign leaders asking they withhold public endorsements. Stopped the issue cold.

Bush's people bring up the possibility of prosecuting Richard Clarke for perjury and Kerry invites them to keep the issue alive by saying "if he's guilty then put him trial and prosecute". The perjury talk died overnight.

I could go on but my impression is that Kerry and his team are adept at political strategy where Gore seemed hopeless.

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cam75219 Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:06 AM
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11. Hate to say it,
The campaign is kind of reminding me of Dole in 96. Both established Senators that are Veterans, both emerged from a crowded primary, both are running against incumbents that did not serve that are hated by the opposition.
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DNA Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:06 AM
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12. Kerry's a pathetic candidate
That's for sure. I used to say there was no way Kerry could lose. A ham sandwich should, theoretically, be able to beat Bush at this point. As Democratic Underground says on its home page, he's the Worst President Ever. I'm beginning to think, though, that Kerry'd better hope the country is really, really ticked off come November, or he can forget packing his bags. Kerry's falling for the same B.S. that has made the Democrats lose time and time again over the past two decades. He hasn't distinguished himself from Bush on the issues that matter most, and he's made really idiotic comments regarding foreign policy. The only votes Kerry is going to get, if he keeps this up, are anti-Bush votes, not pro-Kerry votes. And if the base of the party is turned off by his remarks, Bush might actually win an election. I don't understand the stupidity of the Democrats. How many elections do they have to lose before they learn? Democrats never win by moving to the right, as Truman warned long ago. It's an insane strategy and it's been proven wrong already in many elections. All I know is, not only is there no joy in having to vote for Kerry, but he's going out of his way to make it painful and insulting as well.
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voice of reason Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:10 AM
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14. yup . . .
He needs to settle down and play is own game, not the opposition's. He needs to stop responding and instead force them into responses.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:13 AM
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15. So true...
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notbush Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:52 AM
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17. Yesssss......
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