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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:26 PM
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Did Bush have a stroke?
Heres and interesting article that seems to indicate that at some time in the past, Bush had a "seizure" of some kind. This is meant to be the explanation of his more recent verbal inabilities.

<snip>
"At some time in the past, according to both and the President suffered what one of his aides called "a very minor seizure" and as a result of this, the President has a very difficult time following any unscripted conversations. For this reason, his staff carefully and aggressively protect the President from "unexpected" questions that he is not capable of answering."

"The President takes oral medication at least twice a day according to because of an unspecified "indisposition' and this subject is strictly off limits for any casual staff conversation."

"At one point during a staff conference, the President stood up and began to speak in an unknown language. Mr. Rove was able to stop the President and get him to resume his seat. It was reported by that for a period of time (about fifteen minutes) after this incident, the President appeared to be 'somewhat confused and very inarticulate.'"

"White House staff members report that they rarely see the President during work hours and that when they do, he is generally accompanied by Mr. Rove and almost never either looks at or speaks to members of the staff. He does not appear to recognize many of the staff members and almost all contact with these individuals are carried out by his close aides, especially by Mr. Rove."

</snip>



check it out.

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042504bushseizure.htm
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:28 PM
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1. acute alcoholism
in other words.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:29 PM
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2. Can this be backed up from any other sources?
It's a real smoking gun, but we need verification.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:33 PM
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8. TBR News is one sketchy source, if you ask me.
This information is completely uncorroborated and unsourced, and as much as I dislike the Chimp, this story is as believable as the Kerry Intern story. :eyes:
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:34 PM
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12. Yeah. I really want it to be true.
But not without verification from a more disciplined source.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:29 PM
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3. MAYBE IT WAS THE PRETZEL
:evilgrin:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:31 PM
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6. GMTA you beat me to it :) n/t
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:36 PM
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14. LOL --
Maybe Woodward will now write "The Saga of the Killer Pretzel."
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:30 PM
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4. cocaine and booze
imho
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:30 PM
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5. Is anyone else reporting on this? prisonplanet doesn't sound like
the most credible source.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:33 PM
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10. It's originally from TBR News.
Sketchy website, uncorroborated information and story.

Take with grain of salt. :D
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:42 PM
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20. Take with a box of salt
Better yet, eat the salt, throw away the site's "memos."
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:31 PM
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7. Nah, hes just an idiot
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:33 PM
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9. Perhaps it a buildup of sedatives they use on him to keep him pliant and
obedient?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:33 PM
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11. I thought you had to have a brain for that to happen!
I had a stroke and I'm not that stupid!
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:36 PM
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13. sounds like temporal lobe epilepsy ????
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:48 PM
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24. which may explain the "pretzel incident"
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 02:56 PM by Iceburg
and whyhe has never released his medical records and why he quit flying ... was his license revoked? It would also explain why he quit drinking and lastly his hyper-religiosity.

Sudden religious conversions in temporal lobe epilepsy
http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:ZHxiqjzTXMEJ:www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~schulter/se04_religiosity.pdf+temporal+lobe+epilepsy+religiosity&hl=en
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:37 PM
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15. posted this earlier
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:39 PM
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16. It is just too damn tempting, I can't resist.
""At one point during a staff conference, the President stood up and began to speak in an unknown language."



That would be english.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:42 PM
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19. MAYBE HE'S SPEAKING IN TONGUES
Since he thinks that God annointed him president and all.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 03:57 PM
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36. Yet another sign that George Dubya Bush is the anti-Christ.
Or The pResident From Another Planet!
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:55 PM
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30. "That would be english" HILARIOUS , thanks liberalnproud
n/t
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:40 PM
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17. has dick had a stroke ?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:42 PM
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18. "an unknown language"?? He's speaking in tongues!!!
Please don't tell Ashcroft, the fundies will be having geek-gasms over a tidbit like this, true or not!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:43 PM
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21. Arguably, that's when the pretzel got him
But I believe that they hide his brilliance from everyone.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:44 PM
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22. Sick Caesar: Remove Bush from office
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2003/321
Sick Caesar: Remove Bush from office
March 15, 2003

It’s time for U.S. citizens to demand that President George W. Bush’s cabinet invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment and remove him from office. By a majority vote of the cabinet and the Vice President, transmitted in writing to both the Speaker of the House and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, the President may be declared “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” Increasingly, journalists are willing to admit that the cognitively-impaired President may indeed be mentally ill.

What would drive a President who lost an election by over half a million votes to attack the arch-enemy of Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, rather than to pursue the 9-11 terrorists in the Al Qaeda network? What would cause a President to ignore his generals, his own intelligence agencies, the major religious leaders of the world and the vast majority of the world’s people in pursuing an unnecessary and destabilizing war that is likely to plunge the world into chaos for the next hundred years?

Perhaps the “Madness of King George” is best summed up in Will Thomas’ February 12 article “Is Bush Nuts?” While there’s an emerging concern among some mental health care providers that the President is mentally disturbed, there’s no consensus as to his actual illness.

Carol Wolman M.D. asked the question, “Is the ‘President’ Nuts?” even earlier in the October 2, 2002 counterpunch.org. In an attempt to analyze Bush’s bizarre behavior, putting “the world on a suicidal path,” Wolman suggests the President may be suffering from antisocial personality disorder, as described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illnesses, 4th edition. As the manual points out, “There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others: 1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest; 2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying . . . 5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others.”

Professor Katherine Van Wormer, the co-author of the authoritative Addiction Treatment, worries about Bush’s brain chemistry following some 20 years of alcohol addiction and alleged illicit drug use. Van Wormer notes that “George W. Bush manifests all the classic patterns of what alcoholics in recovery call ‘the dry drunk.’ His behavior is consistent with being brought on by years of heavy drinking and possible cocaine use.”

Alan Bisbort echoes Van Wormer’s thought in the American Politics Journal, in an article entitled “Dry Drunk – Is Bush Making a Cry for Help?” The list goes on and on. Some suggest paranoia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, religious delusions and depression.

Former National Security Agency employee-turned-investigative-journalist Wayne Madsen noted that the President was slurring his speech during the State of the Union address. Perhaps more shocking is the title of Maureen Dowd’s March 9 New York Times column, “Xanax Cowboy.” Dowd’s lead read: “As he rolls up to America’s first pre-emptive invasion, bouncing from motive to motive, Mr. Bush is trying to sound rational, not rash. Determined not to be petulant, he seemed tranquilized.”

Of course many Americans will reject the notion that the with an estimated 91 I.Q. who could not name crucial Middle East leaders during his campaign, could be mentally unstable. Few realize that this has been a common problem with past presidents. Jim Cannon, an aide to incoming Reagan administration Chief of Staff Howard Baker suggested that President Reagan was incapable of performing his duties in March 1987. A March 1987 memo analyzing Reagan’s behavior found “He was lazy; he wasn’t interested in the job. They say he won’t read the papers they gave him – even short position papers and documents. They say he won’t come over to work – all he wanted to do was watch movies and television at the residence.” Cannon recommend we consider invoking the 25th Amendment to remove Reagan.

In retrospect, we know that Reagan was in the early stages of Alzheimer’s; it was apparent to many political scientists and journalists at the time, who frequently commented on Reagan’s mistaking fictional movies for real historical events.

The images of Richard Nixon wandering around the White House drunk, asking a portrait of Abe Lincoln for advice, are forever immortalized in Woodward and Bernstein’s The Final Days. Luckily in Nixon’s case, National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger and Chief of Staff General Alexander Haig took control to make sure the President would not launch a pre-emptive war or nuclear attack, or order a military coup to stop the impeachment.

Since the United States, if it indulges the apparent madness of Bush, will embark on a course similar to imperial Rome, historical analogies may be found in Michael Grant’s book, Sick Caesars, Madness and Malady in Imperial Rome. Searching through the text, the obvious comparison between imperial Roman inbred out-of-touch elite families and the Bush dynasty is an easy one.

What’s harder to determine is which sick Caesar Bush most emulates. Comparing him to Caligula prior to an attack on Iraq would be unfair, although historian A.A. Barrett noted that an eyewitness described Caligula as “. . . a fidgety neurotic.” Barrett writes, “Though his behavior perhaps fell short of madness, it is impossible to determine the degree of rationality he retained.” Caligula has been labeled as “epileptic, schizoid, schizophrenic or just chronically alcoholic.” There’s no evidence that President Bush has ever had epilepsy, other than that, the Caligula analogy does fit.

A case can be made for comparing Claudius to “I, Dubya.” As Grant explains, Claudius’ ailments included, “meningitis, poliomyelitis, pre-natal encephalitis, multiple sclerosis, alcoholism and congenital cerebral paralysis.” Except for the last two diagnoses, again, there’s no exact fit. However, as one Roman recorded, “. . . Claudius was, or was looked upon, as the idiot which he was sometimes made out to be. . . . he was far from normal . . . .”

Some may suggest a comparison to Commodus. As Grant writes, “. . . Physically, at least he was well proportioned. his expression was vacant as is usual with drunkards, and his speech disordered.” Bush is a recovering alcoholic with a speech disorder, in need of therapy, not a current alcohol abuser. Thus, the search continues.

Finally, after much investigation, Bush is nearly a perfect match for the lesser known Caracalla. As Grant describes it, “Caracalla was always pushed forward by his father, who although he realised his defects possessed, like most emperors, strong dynastic ideas. His younger brother Geta , was also pushed forward, although more slowly . . . .”

My favorite quote is: “For he was sick not only in body, partly from visible and partly from secret ailments, but in mind as well, suffering from certain distressing visions, and often he thought he was being pursued by his father, and by his brother, armed with swords.”

But, another quote suggests that Bush may actually be the reincarnation of Caracalla: “Though it is at least certain that he was not only intemperate but had appalling nerves and nervous hallucinations, which made him very restless (not inactive) and all the more emphatic in his distaste for everyone except his soldiers. This meant that he could be judged as a criminal rather than a lunatic.”

One historian’s assessment of Caracalla is so strikingly similar, it sends chills: “His mind became unbalanced. His habitual mood of sullen and suspicious moroseness would sharpen into a craving for bloodshed which the slaughter of the arena could not appease, and which would drive him into a homicidal fury in which revengefulness appears to have been confusedly combined with religious and moral motives.”

Thankfully, Grant tells us that Caracalla’s “short reign was a joke. A bad joke at that.” By invoking Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, we can make Emperor Bush’s reign equally short. The problem, of course, is that we would be left with Vice President Dick Cheney, who may be even more disturbed than the President. Et tu, Cheney?

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:46 PM
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23. that would explain the Meet The Press interview, but
it sounds like bullshit to me.

I mean, I believe he's probably on medication, and I believe he's not let out of his cage unless Cheney and/or Rove are holding his hand, but it's a little too over-the-top to be taken seriously.

Almost sounds like something from "The Onion"
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:49 PM
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25. cocaine
siezures not uncommon with heavy cocaine use. Know someone who died from head injury during coke related siezure.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:50 PM
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26. trying to hard to be like Reagan
Speaking in tongues? Covering up his drugged up stupor? trying to pre-empt questions regarding his "condition" and present drug intake?

Too bad the major networks or major anything keep this on the fringe. A dysfunctional sock puppet with holes where the fingers now show through.

One thing you CAN do. Keep the confusticated pressure on!!! if not this sleepwalking doofus is going to keep killing and making outrageously indefensible policy safe in his comfort zone.

Check out the symptoms too of damage done by long usage of alcohol or drugs. Heart regularity problems. Mental problems. Glycemic conditions. Mood swings. panic, rage, self-destructive behavior moved to other fields of endeavor than self-intoxication.

Bush- always has been and always will be- unfit to serve. It was a lucky thing for the Air Force he did NOT show up in a combat zone.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:50 PM
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27. How the hell would we be able to tell ...

Lets see:

Before: He is a babbling idiot
After: He is babbling idiot

Cheers
Drifter

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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:53 PM
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28. Did you see the "fool-me" episode?
Whatever happened there, it was definitely some sort of "break."
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:53 PM
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29. Sounds like George needs a little more vacation time...
......the stress of the job seems to be getting to him. Poor George.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 03:04 PM
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31. "'somewhat confused and very inarticulate" -- how could they tell?
Sorry -- couldn't resist.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 04:28 PM
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39. Really! He like dat all the damn time.
Lolo is what we voted for and dats whot we got... A lolo prez who cannot answer simple questions embarrassing the shit outta us Americans.

This guy is a loser who should not be Head Coach period. So far, the season looks lost. all 3 seasons were losing ones. Time for new Coach and staff.
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dpibel Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 03:43 PM
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32. As the late Cub Koda put it
"Boss man says ya got to pee in the cup
Pee in the cup, pee in the cup.
Boss man says ya got to pee in the cup
See if you're doin' drugs."

Am I the only person who finds it amazing that a front-line grunt can be forced to have random drug testing, a secretary in most any major corporation can be cashiered for toking up, and the Fierce Warrior Chieftain himself declares war on steriods, but the Most Powerful Front in the World could be taking anything, and we have no right to know?

C'mon, Mr. Governor. Lead the way toward a drug free Amurca.

Pee in the cup.
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 03:45 PM
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33. the puppet doesn't speak well PERIOD... n/t
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 03:48 PM
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34. Too bad there's no "Dave" who looks like Bush
I love that movie.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 04:00 PM
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37. well, there's this guy
(he played Bush on Leno's show, and on Whoopi's sitcom)

http://www.ppi.cc/ppi_players/kevin_haney2.htm


Unfortunately, it seems he's got a similar outlook in terms of politics and religion, so it might not be much of an improvement. Unless we could get the same makeup guy to do up Tim Robbins, say.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 03:56 PM
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35. If this is true then he shouldn't be President..
Read the Twenty fifth ammendment, Article four, which provides for either the VP, the Cabinet or Congress to remove a President who is no longer able to discharge his duties. I think Bush fits the profile.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 04:16 PM
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38. Prison planet Ed. note says, "If this is true and not just the product
of an unhappy person . . ." Which tells me THEY don't even think this story is valid. I could find no other source for this information other than TBR.

For those of you who don't know, one of their "News SOURCES" listed on their web site is "The Onion" which is a satirical online news magazine.
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