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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:07 PM
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Hoo-boy, this is not looking good...
Edited on Sat Apr-24-04 11:08 PM by HypnoToad
http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2004/04/23/1

Oklahoma becomes the fifth state to put a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the ballot this year, after the state House voted 92-4 Thursday to approve the measure, which GLBT activists condemned.

If the proposed amendment passes, marriages of same-sex couples conducted in other states would not be recognized in Oklahoma, and knowingly issuing a marriage license to gay couples would be a misdemeanor.

"This is a proud day for the people of Oklahoma," said Senate Republican leader James Williamson, the author of the proposal.

The Oklahoma Senate had already passed the bill last week, also with an overwhelming majority, despite an Oklahoma law on the books that already prohibits lesbians and gays from marrying. It is now the responsibility of the secretary of state to put the initiative on the general election ballot.

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Now, somebody please tell me how the Constitutional amendment that Bushko* wants won't pass?!

Oh, homosexuals aren't persecuted or discriminated against... no, never at all... :eyes: How can people think we're not?! :grr: :mad:
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SoDesuKa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:12 PM
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1. Unsophisticated Okies
When I hear stories about state legislatures voting 92-4 to deny gay equality, it's really difficult not to think of Okies as the same kind of ignorant shit-kickers that live in Texas. I realize that not everybody in Oklahoma or Texas is an asshole, but there's that 92-4 number staring me in the face.

It's less than ninety-nine and forty-four one-hundredths percent, but it's still pretty high.

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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:24 PM
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8. This Okie agrees with you. I love my state, but it's infected with
some real assholes...
:grr:
:grr:
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:46 AM
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17. Thanks

Appreciate that.

I'll be going now.

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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:12 PM
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2. It's EXTREMELY hard to pass a Constitutional amendment.
The states have to vote on it and I don't remember how many states have to vote for it to become law. First enough people have to care in all the states to even put it on the ballot. Then enough people have to care to vote for passage against those who are going to vote against it. These same idiots have been trying for decades to get enough people hot under the collar to get desecrating the flag a crime in the Constitution. A whole lot more people care about that then if gays marry or not.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:20 PM
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6. not exactly
Edited on Sat Apr-24-04 11:20 PM by Dookus
the amendment has to pass 2/3rds of BOTH houses of congress, then be approved by the LEGISLATURES of 3/4th of the states. This particular amendment will never make it out of the Senate.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:13 AM
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13. If U look 'n listen
U will notice squatter no longer preaches on it. I think it is not THE wedge issue they wanted. Saurov thought it would B huge but it just fizzeled out.

Of course Oklahoma legislators voted that way - they're not leaders, they're rethugs!
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 03:10 AM
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19. They don't have to be approved by state legislatures
State "ratifying conventions" also count. I don't remember exactly what that is, though.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:13 PM
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3. "A proud day for the people of Oklahoma."
They don't even have the decency to say well, this is just how we feel at this moment in time, but to revel in their great PRIDE over such a law.
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thexanman Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:13 PM
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4. Federal Amendment is surely a no go
Because it would need a 2/3 majority in the House and Senate and it's questionable whether or not it would pass the House and virtually guaranteed that it would NOT make it through the Senate. And that's just to get it through Congress. If a popular piece of legislation like the flag burning amendment couldn't get the 2/3 required for the past ten YEARS, there's no way this would pass.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:16 PM
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5. Damn it! Damn it!! Damn it!!
Every month when I talk to my friends in Europe I'm so sick and fuckin' tired of having to explain why 60-70 percent of the American Population is either Assholes, Stupid ...or both. Fuck!!
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:20 PM
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7. This makes me extremely unhappy.
This makes it very hard to love Oklahoma as much as I do. I only hope the results of the general election are not so lopsided.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:27 PM
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9. With vote tallies such as 92-4 that clearly means
some DEMOCRATS voted to support discrimination of the GLBTQ community.

So, how exactly are Democrats different from pugs? This is a question I am sure many in the GLBTQ community will ask once they begin looking at how "leaders" vote on this issue.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:33 PM
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10. I can see same sex couples across the nation...
...regretfully crossing Oklahoma of their list...yeah, right.
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2bfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 11:45 PM
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11. Sad.........
Why do people feel proud when they are denying rights to others?
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:07 AM
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12. And the Constitution says ...

Article IV, Section 1 :

"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State."

Article VI :

"This Constitution ... shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

-----

end of story.


MDN

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bigbillhaywood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:59 AM
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16. Except for Bush's Constitutional Amendment. I think it will pass, sadly.
Though with any luck it will go the way of the Flag-Burning Amendment. But be assured, if they want to push it, it will pass Congress and ratification will go through.
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 02:25 AM
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18. Except that the sitting Supreme Court
is no longer upholding the Constitution.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:17 AM
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14. Land of the Free............
As long as you are white, straight and Christian.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:47 PM
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21. You forgot rich. n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:50 PM
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22. Or "Christian" as the powers that be define it...
Remember, the "Christians" in power pretend that the following (and other) Biblical verses don't exist:

Timothy I 6:10 (money is root of all evil)
Matthew 5:44 (love your enemy)
Matthew 7:1 (Judge not...)
Matthew 25:37-40 (caring for the poor)
Luke 6:31 (Do unto others...)

Do as they say, not as they do nor as the Bible says for it is false to them.
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:51 AM
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15. I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America

and to the Republic for which it stands

one Nation, under God

Indivisible

With Liberty and Justice for them
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:40 PM
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20. Ta-da! Oklahoma has just made this straight guy's *never-visit* list.
Fucking knuckle draggers!
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:01 PM
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23. If states begin enacting these bans then I would support a boycott
of that state and its products. IMHO what should be done is an analysis of the states with bans and then one or two states with the most to lose should be targeted behind a massive campaign for the boycott.

Bringing them to their knees economically ought to bring them around.
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