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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:28 PM
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How many soldiers have died today? I'm confused by all those reports
:-( Let's use this thread to get a better count for today.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:30 PM
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1. Seven or eight?
I think there were five in a rocket attack, then a few bombings, they come so fast now I lose track.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:32 PM
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2. one poster said 17----is that true?
:shrug:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:38 PM
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3. kick
OMG. I've been busy and just now got online. Please, someone bring me up to speed.

:cry:
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DoktorGreg Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:38 PM
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4. Some days the reports seem designed to confuse rather than inform
I suspect the casulty rate is much higher than is reported. Two to three times. Add confusing reports with the media changing the meter from time to time, and it gets really mixed up.

Given the R's willingness to besmirch Kerry and McCains service record, I wouldnt put it past this administration to deny service awards to deserving vetrans.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:48 PM
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6. They lied about Viet Nam deaths
Isn't it pretty much accepted now that they lied about how many troops were dying in Viet Nam every day? Given the fact that the bunch in charge now are shameless liars about everything, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out they're lying about the number of dead now. That would be one reason for them wanting to hide pictures of coffins.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 03:45 PM
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5. 5 soldiers, then 2 more soldiers and
now 2 sailors in the latest incident - can't provide links.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:06 PM
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7. seven today?
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:08 PM
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8. Nine today - that's the latest
I've seen - 7 soldiers, 2 sailors
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:25 PM
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9. 7 dead - 5 soldiers (Taji), 2 workers? (Basra) Links Included
Edited on Sat Apr-24-04 04:34 PM by VolcanoJen
The count seems to be seven.

Lunaville still only reports the five soldiers killed in Taji:

lunaville - April casualties

The Basra story is a little more fuzzy; it would seem that the two dead are sailors, but it's still unclear. Here's the link to the Reuters story about the boat attack in Basra; two have been killed, but there is no word on their nationality yet. The two dead coalition members were referred to as "the coalition boarding team" in the article below.

Suicide Boat Raids Target Iraq Oil, Two Killed

ON EDIT: MSNBC just reported that the two who were killed in Basra were Americans. However, nobody is calling them "sailors," so it would appear to me that the "coalition boarding team" were American contractors.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:27 PM
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10. Too many died the very first day!
When you think about the reason we are sending them to Iraq!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:41 PM
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:42 PM
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12. You can choose
to stay home, they can't choose to come home.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:43 PM
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13. and these vehicles are being attacked by 'insurgents'
in a soverign nation illegally occupied by an illegal government on the basis of lies for the personal profit of warmongering pigs?

just checking...
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:48 PM
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14. Are you fucking serious?
That's a legitimate field of comparison for you?

(This is without, of course, asking why comparison is needed at all...I suppose the imbeciles who make such stupid comparisons would claim that it lends "perspective." But all we have to do is actually speak out the comparison to show up its utter lack of perspective: "Around two hundred people generally die on US highways over labor day weekend, while only about 10 US service people were killed in Iraq this weekend." Aaaaah. Doesn't that just lend all the perspective in the world? And these despicable compare-idiots claim to support the troops? Their entiure world-view would be laughable if it weren't so putrid and dangerous. Ugh.)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:52 PM
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:54 PM
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20. Attack you personally?
Where did I do that? I was talking in general about fools that makew stupid comparisons. Have you done that?

As for "dead is dead," that's a fine non sequitor - startling in its incoherence with your previous comments. I wonder whether you even know what you think.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:30 PM
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40. Death Rate For Human Beings Is 100%!
Everybody dies! Some even in car accidents, so what's the problem with using most of our resources to rain death and destruction unnecesarily for bogus reasons? I think that is the freeper logic and the key to their "who cares" attitude about the increasing deaths in Iraq. I think that's what our Labor Day friend thinks, these people never met a war they didn't like.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:50 PM
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15. it's about percentages, duh (hugely insensitive of you)
there more of a chance getting killed in Iraq than there is driving on any day here in the US...

wake up, grow up, and learn to show sensitivity to those who are in danger over there
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:50 PM
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16. So we should abolish unions, right?
Another single-digit poster fighting to uphold the system that's designed to keep him/her under its thumb...

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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:52 PM
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18. LOL. Yes, Q.E.D.!
;-)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:53 PM
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:55 PM
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21. you spit in the faces of those in Iraq
by making such a comparison...

you should be fucking ashamed!
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 05:07 PM
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29. I wonder where this poster gets the notion that to be progressive means
to be tolerant of every bullshit idea that crosses your path. A bizarre misconception.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 05:18 PM
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31. I suppose it's possible that our new poster has been watching
the CSPAN coverage of the LA Times Festival of Books and the panel discussion led by Barry Glassner ("The Culture of Fear").

Glassner makes the point that we are encouraged to be afraid of things that are not nearly as likely to happen as other things, which happen more often and which we aren't at all consciously afraid of.

One example Glassner uses is the really irrational fear we have of terrorism in the U.S. perpetrated by Islamist zealots -- which has killed approximately 3000 in the past three years, but we do NOT consciously fear dying in an automobile accident, even though 15,000 or so die in accidents involving drunk drivers every year.

The comparison of highway deaths to combat deaths is apples to asparagus, obviously, and we should endeavor to educate our new DUer to the proper methods of pricking * balloons.

That, of course, assumes the new DUer is interested in pricking * balloons. . . . .



Tansy Gold
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:55 PM
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22. Interesting characterization
Very familiar. Why don't you go ahead and stick to the subject of your post, rather than taking up the martyr mantle right away. Unless you have come to be a martyr rather than to honestly discuss?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 05:02 PM
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26. Members here
Members here respect our troops and mourn for them when they lose their lives. They don't trivialize their deaths.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 05:05 PM
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28. In another thread...
... this poster is scolding us for not paying enough respect to the troops.

:eyes:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:56 PM
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23. Typical right-wing talking point.
It's depressing that some people just can't be bothered to mourn the death of our soldiers.

I'm happy for you, though, in the sense that in order to rest your conscience, you think of highway deaths when you hear about dead American soldiers. I wish I could just turn it off the way you do.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:57 PM
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24. What a ridiculous analogy
There are hundreds of millions in the US. There are about 100K Americans in Iraq, and not a damned one of them ought to be there.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:57 PM
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25. wow that makes it OK
the gop called they want their propaganda back.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 05:03 PM
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27. 200 soldiers die each Labor Day?
you are a despicable, pathetic worm of a human.

go back under your rock.
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DoktorGreg Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:00 PM
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33. But the US is greater than 20 times bigger than Iraq
So even if you measure it in square miles, more are dying in Iraq.
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myccrider Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:18 PM
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39. That's pretty stupid...
Setting aside, for the moment, the ethical, moral, and practical implications of the US waging an illegal, pre-emptive war against a nearly helpless country that is driving us deeper into debt, straining our armed forces unnecessarily, causing the death of thousands of citizens of said country (a large percentage of them women & children), estranging the US from the international community, distracting money & personnel from tracking down the real perpetrators of 911, creating even more terrorists who will blame the US for the world's ills, etc, etc, etc - have you ever even done the MATH WRT your comparison?

Here, I'll do it for you. I'll talk real slowly so you don't miss anything.

200 (killed on Labor Day Weekend, which is considered an alarmingly high 3 day death rate) divided by 293,000,000 (approximate population of the US) = .000068%

11 (US soldiers KIA in last 3 days) divided by 130,000 (approximate number of US troops in Iraq) = .0085%

That is a 2 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE higher death rate!!! And that approximate death rate is happening to the US military EVERY DAY in Iraq, not once a year.

That's only ONE reason that I'd call it a stupid comparison.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:32 PM
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41. Freeps Constantly Trying To Minimize Troops Sacrifice
It's disgusting....Brit Hume used the same twisted logic, let's send THEM over there...after all it's safer than Labor Day!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 05:12 PM
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30. Can we just ignore the successful thread disruptor...
... and get back to getting this body count straight? I mean, sure, it was fun for a minute, but this is serious stuff, and slinkerwink did start this thread with the best intentions.

:-(
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 05:57 PM
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32. thank you!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:41 PM
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43. He's gone, Jen, and I just heard another Sailor died from injuries
Mr. "More people die on Labour Day" has earned his coveted "stone", and I just heard that the toll for the boat attack yesterday is now 3 sailors dead.

4 overnight, 2 more this morning, and now another sailor, I make that 7 in the last 18 hours...
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:18 PM
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34. I think it's nine:
5 soldiers in one attack, 2 more in another, and then 2 sailors in the port.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:20 PM
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35. ABC News said "8 U.S. Servicemen were killed in Iraq today."
They didn't bother to break it down, but they did focus on the boat attack in Basra.

5 were killed in Tagi (sp?), 2 more in the boat attack in Basra. I am not sure where the other number comes from.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:57 PM
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38. eight killed today?
:-(
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:52 PM
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36. Link for Iraq casualties
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 06:54 PM
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37. It's still unclear, even on lunaville.
Hence this thread... although it doesn't seem like we're getting any closer to the bottom of this. :-(
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 12:36 PM
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42. The count so far for this month in Iraq alone is 117!
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