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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:44 PM
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Kerry: "NO DRAFT".
http://www.alligator.org/edit/news/issues/stories/04041...

Kerry pitches policy
Senator, college students confer
By JUSTIN HEMLEPP
Alligator Staff Writer

April 14, 2004

Calling his presidential candidacy a pretty stark choice from that of the current administration, Sen. John Kerry promised to help college students cope with rising tuition costs, if he is elected.

In an effort to engage younger voters, Kerry kicked off a tour of college campuses Tuesday and an afternoon teleconference with more than 130 student journalists from across the country.


-snip-

Kerry has indicated he plans to bolster the number of men and women in the American military with existing Pentagon funds by creating two divisions.

Asked if his plan to add the divisions to Americas fighting forces would require conscription, Kerry quickly replied, No. No draft.


BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:46 PM
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1. If this is true, it is one more reason for me and my draft-age son
to vote for him.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:49 PM
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2. kERRY has a NO-DRAFT PLAN while Bush is spending $28 mil to activate it!
Edited on Sat Apr-24-04 01:53 PM by Dems Will Win
The choice between the two on this issue is now clear.

This summer Bush is reducing DRAFT ACTIVATION time by having the SSS conduct NATIONWIDE EXERCISES to test the whole system, even to the point of filling all DRAFT BOARD vacancies and gearing up the Alternative Service for COs for the first time in three decades. The SSS this summer is finalizing the 2 documents needed for the AS to start up, the SOP identifying ASW employers and the MOUs those employers will have to sign to get those cheap, unassigned workers. THis is the last essential piece that had to be activated before the March 31 report. (On March 31, 2005, the SSS must report it is ready to conscript within 75 days of authorization rather than the current 193 days!!!)
http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

Kerry's NO-DRAFT plan to raise 40,000 additional troops and avoid reinstatement of the draft is added up this way (my synthesis of what Kerry talks about when asked):

1. Move some paper-pushers to combat (lots of potential there)
2. Increase enlistment with real scholarships and pay, benefit raises
3. Let troops know Special Ops will hunt al-Queda, no more invasions needed, so re-up rate goes up. "Primarily a law enforcement effort, not a full military effort", say JK on MTP 4/18/04.
4. Start a "Civilian Stability Corps" that would help in reconstructing Afghanistan and Iraq and relieve military pressure.
5. GET FOREIGN TROOPS TO COME INTO INSTEAD OF LEAVE IRAQ!!

The 40,000 new troops DO NOT go to Iraq but relieve the divisions in Korea and elsewhere and THEY GO.

http://www.candidatemap.com

"...I propose that we enlist thousands of them in a Civilian Stability Corps, a reserve organization of volunteers ready to help win the peace in troubled places. Like military reservists, they will have peacetime jobs; but in times of national need, they will be called into service to restore roads, renovate schools, open hospitals, repair power systems, draft a constitution, or build a police force. A Civilian Stability Corps can bring the best of America to the worst of the worldand reduce pressure on the military."
< Source: Kerry, John. "Protecting Our Military Families in Times of War: A Military Family Bill of Rights." March 17, 2004. http://johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0317.h... >

With this NO-DRAFT PLAN, Kerry will not have to resort to conscription, even after Bush screwed the whole thing up.

Also don't forget how Kerry won the Silver Star. He got fed up being shot at from the same place on the river so he ordered something not really allowed by the brass--a full frontal attack by 3 swift boats with guns roaring on the Vietcong emplacement--which left one VC soldier running off with an RPG. Kerry then beaches his boat and jumps OVERBOARD with an M-16 onto the land and chases him down. Shots are heard and Kerry returns with the RPG.

To me that bodes well for a President Kerry addressing the War on Terror. He will go right for the Saudi network that funds it all. Don't forget he put Bin Mahfouz, OBL's brother-in-law, under house arrest for BCCI and had him fined $225 million. And he will go renewable energy and for energy independence and has said over and over no more soldiers will die for oil!

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05
KERRY '04 = PNAC OUT THE DOOR!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:51 PM
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4. Thank You! John Kerry will oust ALL PNACers, a.k.a.....
ENEMIES OF AMERICA, IN 2005!!!


Bush = Draft
Kerry = End of the Bush Junta

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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:50 PM
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3. 10 bucks says someone will claim that this isn't enough.
I'd even be willing to bet someone will try and claim that Kerry, by saying "no" twice was actually saying "no" to "no draft."
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:52 PM
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5. That's why I posted Reply #2 and more info
Get this out to all the colleges !!
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:53 PM
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6. I know
I was being sarcastic... just letting off some steam.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:56 PM
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8. Who do you know who might be DRAFTED?
Besides 20 year-old men having their 20th birthday from 2005 on-- there will be a MEDICAL DRAFT, men and women age 20-44 for all medical personnel, as well as SPECIAL SKILLS DRAFTS for various occupations, the first ones declared in shortage being computer programmers, linguists and engineers--men and women, age 20 to 44?
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:59 PM
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10. Me, possibly
I've got 1337 computer programming skills. Then again, I'm probably going to end up working for the government as it is, so I'm not too worried about the special skills draft.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:13 PM
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12. I will probably be drafted too
I'm 20 and almost have a bachelor's in IT. As if I didn't have enough reasons to vote for John Kerry.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 01:33 AM
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22. Great....Just my luck...
I'm 24 and have an AAS degree in IT (Also a BA in Political Science). I can also speak semi-fluent Arabic.

I'm doomed. lol

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:52 AM
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23. Hi Scooter24!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:55 PM
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7. That's it. I'm on board.
I'm not even going to worry about Skull and Bones any more. And my husband and I are going to make a difference in this campaign.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 01:58 PM
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9. Thank you Barbara Ann!
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:29 PM
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19. You're welcome.
My husband is now getting a quarterly paycheck (yuk) so I have to wait until July but I will be contributing.
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nonkultur Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:06 PM
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11. Isn't this the same paper
That said kerry wanted to drill for oil off the gulf coast of Florida?
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:28 PM
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13. The problem I have...
is with this statement from John Kerry:

"...I propose that we enlist thousands of them in a Civilian Stability Corps, a reserve organization of volunteers ready to help win the peace in troubled places. Like military reservists, they will have peacetime jobs; but in times of national need, they will be called into service to restore roads, renovate schools, open hospitals, repair power systems, draft a constitution, or build a police force. A Civilian Stability Corps can bring the best of America to the worst of the world and reduce pressure on the military."

First of all, we have a "Civilian Stability Corps" called the National Guard, of which, after the current rotation, will make up 40% of the total United States fighting and logistical support in Iraq. Secondly, I have a real problem with this language:

"...A Civilian Stability Corps can bring the best of America to the worst of the world and reduce pressure on the military."

I was under the impression that John Kerry is suggesting that this "Civilian Stability Corps" would be for American infrastructure and social services needs. Now all of a sudden there are words such as "...bringing the best of America to the worst of the world" -sounds an awful lot like deployment in the military sense, when the sentence previous to this suggests that the "Civilian Stability Corps" could help in drafting Constitutions or building police forces. Again, is a member of the Civlian Stability Corps supposed to accomplish this by working in Des Moines, Iowa? or Olympia, Washington?

If someone could dispell these notions that I am having about the Civilian Stability Corps, or convince me that Kerry just chose a poor meathod of portraying this "New Deal" program, otherwise, this language walks a fairly thin line in my opinion...
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:32 PM
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14. You're getting the Civilian Stability Corps mixed up with his National
Service Corps. Understandable. The National Service stays here and does the nation-building here.

The Civilian Stability Corps are the "Rangers" and "SEALS" of civilian reconstruction work. They volunteer for the much tougher and hazardous job of post-war reconstruction. They will replace actual military people there now and reduce the need for a DRAFT.

Good question, thanks for asking!
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:34 PM
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15. Who don't you ask Kerry that?
Soldiers are trained to kill, not to build up infrastructure.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:40 PM
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16. What have we here?
Another toe the line Democrat who gets all bent out of shape when I ask policy questions?
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:45 PM
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17. Interesting response
since I'm no Democrat! And I'm not bent out of shape. :crazy:

peace
Indy
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 02:48 PM
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18. Appologies, friend
I've been ganged up on more than a dozen occasions when I question John Kerry policy, so as a learned response, I figured that this was exactly what was happening again. Good day to you!

:)
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 05:18 PM
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21. Will the Civilian Stability Corps go in before or after
the shooting starts? If it's before, then this sound like a souped-up Peace Corps. If it goes in while there is still shooting going on, then we'll have to have plenty of soldiers shooting back while the snipers and RPG operators are trying to take out the CSC people.

Or am I just getting this wrong?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-04 04:59 PM
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20. Good news!
I'm so glad to hear this.

Now....there is also the problems with high-pressure sales tactics recruiters are using at our high schools to address.

How about if recruiters do not give away free computer games, or call private homes of students like telemarketers, without first getting permission from the parents?
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