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Barbara Ann Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:08 PM
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I wish Pat Buchanan was a Democrat.
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 05:22 PM by Barbara Ann
He often says something I can agree with, and it scares me when I agree with Pat Buchanan.

Because, as soon as I agree with him, he says somthing so waaaayyyy out that I can't even believe the same person said it.

At least he doesn't follow the right wing message points. He speaks his own mind.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:09 PM
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1. Thanks for sharing
:crazy:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:10 PM
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2. He is a true Conservative.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:12 PM
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3. Are you referring to "Even if his wounds were superficial..."
"...they were a lot more than many of these republicans who are criticizing Kerry got."
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:12 PM
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4. Yeah, he has that effect on me, too
But as you say, he goes off the deepend in the next breath.

Welcome to DU :hi: :toast:
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:12 PM
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5. He is a Nixon man through and through
Always been a part of the "get even with the Democrats" bunch. The only thing good about him is his opposition to the Bush*s. And a lot of people subscribe to his close the borders philosophy.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:16 PM
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6. Bush*s--?
I usually know what my fellow Dems are saying when we find new ways to describe this awful administration-
- but I am not sure what "Bush*s" stands for.

Could you tell me the meaning behind it so I may use it too?
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:19 PM
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9. Yeah. . . sometimes I agree with him too
and it scares the hell out of me when that happens. Luckily, he'll then follow-up with some idea so off the wall that the moment passes quickly. I finally decided that Pat's likable and sometimes that I agree with him because he has been around the block quite a few times, knows where the bodies are buried, and still manages to retain a sense of humor about it all--which is more than I can say for some of the other Repug mouthpieces. I may not always agree with what Pat's saying, but I respect his opinion & his right to speak it!
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Barbara Ann Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:35 PM
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20. Is that a quote? If so,
Don't ask me.

I don't collect the stupidity that falls out of the mouths of this administration. But nothing surprises me.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:17 PM
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7. Though his culture war is a turn off,
I wonder why he doesn't join us since he sides with our party on foreign policy and economic issues.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:18 PM
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8. He's a "true" conservative....and a true patriot.
He cares more about his country than the politicians that run it.
He calls a spade a spade.
He is our ally believe it or not.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:21 PM
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10. A "true patriot"??? Really?
So what has he ever sacrificed for his country?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:23 PM
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11. ya better read his last piece...
...it will scare the pants off ya. He's right on target.

"The Old Right curmudgeons who warned us against giving these (neocon) vagabonds food, shelter and a warm place by the fire were right. We should have put them back out on the street.

President Bush should have listened to his father who kept the neocons at some remove, and he had best beware, because they have a major card yet to play. That card is escalation.

With the situation in Iraq deteriorating, the neocon agenda is to widen the war into Syria, Iran and perhaps Saudi Arabia, and convert it into "World War IV," the war of their dreams, a war of civilizations, an Armageddon, with America and Israel on one side and Islam on the other.

Exiting Iraq with honor and avoiding the wider war for which the neocons are even now scheming is the first duty of patriots."

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:30 PM
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18. No...
He is not. If you find yourself agreeing with something Pat has said, you will find that his reasons for saying it are totally different from yours.

For instance... close the borders? Sure, because he wants an all-white America.

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tomorrowsashes Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:57 PM
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57. he's not my ally
There is no way that I would ever refer to that man as my ally. I don't care how much he loves the country; I would rather shoot him than shake his hand.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:24 PM
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12. What I like about Pat Buchanan
I think that he's less of a liar than most conservatives. He's not afraid to voice his disagreement with the policies of the administration (ie. Hannity, Boortz, Limbaugh, etc etc etc). He "sticks by his guns", meaning that he's not afraid to take an unpopular stance.

Of course, I still think he's wrong in most cases about what is good for the country, but I have to hand it to him; He's not your typical Republican apologist/obfuscator. Paddy calls 'em like he sees 'em. He just "sees 'em" wrong.

Maybe he should run as an independant again. That would kick ass! (for us)
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:26 PM
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14. What I like about Bush*
I think that he's less of a killer than most insane dictators. He's not afraid to voice his disagreement with the policies of the Clinton administration. He "sticks by his guns", meaning that he's not afraid to take an unpopular stance.

Of course, I still think he's wrong in most cases about what is good for the country, but I have to hand it to him; He's not your typical Republican apologist/obfuscator. Bush* calls 'em like he sees 'em. He just "sees 'em" wrong.

Maybe he should run as an independant. That would kick ass! (for us)
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:34 PM
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19. Your point?
I was only saying that I can respect a differing point of view if it's somewhat honest. I find most of Paddy's opinions to be at odds with my own, and I would NEVER vote for someone like him, nor would I trust him at the helm of the government. Bush is a liar, a puppet, and an idiot. No comparison between the two.

What exactly are you (poorly) trying to say about me?

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:39 PM
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24. My point is Buchanon is a liar
and being slightly less of a liar is not a reason to like someone. You can respect his lies all you want -you have thsat right-- but it doesn't mean that Buchanon is anything but a mean, viscious, psychopathic liar who would like to see people like you and me dead.

And you like that.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:04 PM
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33. Listen, friend...
I'm no fan of Paddy's. Not by a long-shot. I think he's got some serious brain damage when it comes to the health of the nation. I also think that he's probably a not-so-closeted racist. However, I find him a step (albeit, a small step) above the rest of the Repuke talking heads, because he's willing to put his misinformed views out there for us to mock.

He's wrong about almost everything, but he at least has the cajones to be wrong in front of the entire nation. I loathe the things that he stands for, but I appreciate his willingness to speak his mind, in spite of his leanings. That's all I was trying to say. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. If more "conservatives were like him, we'd win every goddamn election on every level. He's an ass, but he stands by his misinformed "assedness". And, yeah, I wish he would run for pres again; Just like I wish Roy Moore would run. They're both idiots that would siphon the "idiot vote" away from the GOP.

Clear?
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:50 PM
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49. OK buddy, I've the heard your side
But no matter how you slice it, Pat is evil slime that has given aid and comfort to the enemy for years, with hateful diatribes directed at all sorts of groups. His "straight talk" is nothing but an act meant to exploit fear and hatred of those who are entertained by his red meat rants. And the "guts" he's fooled you into thinking he has has been paid for by the GOP. After all, that "brave" man has never sacrificed anything for anybody but himself. How brave of him to get rich exploiting the worst in people.

For your next act, why don't you tell us about how Hitler babied his pet Corgi?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:48 PM
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41. Yes he is a mean viscous liar...
But I agree with the mean viscous liar on US foregin policy...
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rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:25 PM
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13. Didn't he recently write about the decline of 'white' America? lol
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:28 PM
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15. He was against the Iraq war. He is a populist but then can go
off toward xenophobia. It is scary when he seems like a reasonable (on some issues) conservative but that just shows how wacko this administration is
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:29 PM
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17. He preferred to wage war against Americans
or have you forgotten his Culture War?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:29 PM
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16. Yes, I really respect Pat Buchanan
Like someone else said, I think he truly wants what's best for this country, eventhough some of his ideas are pretty out there. But I think he's at least very truthful and not a phony.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:38 PM
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22. So is Chimpy...
He tells the truth about what he thinks, and he does what he says he is going to do. That certainly does NOT mean that he is right about what he thinks.

People who say they hear voices when there's no one around really do hear those voices. They are telling the absolute truth about what they hear. That certainly does NOT mean that there are really voices speaking to them.

Gawd!!! It's kind of scary that someone can't separate those things out. Are you guys for real?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:46 PM
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26. I have to disagree with you
Bush almost never does what he says he's going to do, and it's just my opinion, but I don't believe he has our best interests at heart.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:12 PM
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35. Well...
Bush almost never does what he says he's going to do, and it's just my opinion, but I don't believe he has our best interests at heart.

I'll give you that he might not seem to do what he says he's going to do because he has no idea what he's going to do, as he so brilliantly demonstrated with his last press conference.

I won't agree on the second part, though. He doesn't have our best interests at heart, but I think he thinks he does.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:20 PM
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54. His only interests
are those that benefit his crime family and their friends...Oh and cheeseburgers and baseball.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:18 PM
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53. Chimpy tells the truth
as Cheney tells it to him.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:36 PM
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21. hmmmm....Maybe those Palm Beach voters
did vote for Buchanan in 2000 (3,407). :evilgrin:
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:39 PM
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23. I wish Pat was running on a third party ticket.
He'd split enough votes off the right to bury Junior, and if by some fluke he actually got elected, he would still be far preferrable to the neocon shitbags.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:24 PM
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37. If he really hates the neo-cons...
He should run. He couldn't possibly win and it would Nationally expose the real rift within the GOP between the crazy neo-con/fundies and true conservatives and moderates.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:43 PM
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25. What I've been saying lately
is that I wish we could get rid of the neo-cons so we could get back to fighting with real conservatives. Trust me, Buchanan is the "enemy of my enemy" but once things straighten out a bit, you'll see that you disagree with him on a lot of issues.

The debate has gotten so perversely skewed, that the rational people are all meeting out back in the parking lot.

Somebody at work suggested that Giuliani might take some position in the Cabinet, but, as much as I hate the guy, I don't think he'd fit. He's WRONG on just about every issue, but he isn't a pathological liar and that would be a problem for the malAdministration.
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Freeforever Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:49 PM
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27. I Wish Our Country Was White Again.
"In 1960, America was a nation of 160 million, 90 percent white and 10 percent black, with a few million Hispanics and Asians sprinkled among us.

We were one nation, one people. We worshipped the same God, spoke the same English language, studied American history and English literature, honored the same heroes, read the same books, watched the same TV shows, went to the same movies." 3/24/04

This is the guy you like?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:51 PM
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28. why is it that some people just can seem to fathom . . .
that others can be right on some issues and completely wrong on others, and that it's okay to support them when they say something sensible? . . . Buchanan is far right, but he's not a neo-con, and every so often he really does say something intelligent and worth supporting . . . it's okay to do that, folks . . . we won't revoke your card . . .
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Freeforever Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:57 PM
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30. his opinions border nazism
He's so paranoid that America is being taken over by the non-whites. Some of what this guy says is scary. I don't give him any credit.
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:04 PM
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32. Whew! At least you see through it. I was getting scared by what the rest
of the posters here were saying! :scared:
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:54 PM
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50. And Hitler was very nice to Eva Braun
Why is it that some people just can't seem to fathom that when Pat says something nice, it's because Pat knows the difference between nice and mean, and he's shameless enough to exploit BOTH.

But yes, sometimes Pat tells some very pleasant sounding lies. We must give him credit for that.
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 05:57 PM
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29. If Buchanan joins the Democrats, I will go back to the Green Party
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 06:06 PM by Rationality
Pat Buchanan is one of the most socially right-wing politicians I can imagine. He may have opposed this war due to his isolationist philosophies, but his attitudes on everything from abortion to immigration, with his rabid anti-multicultural attitude, makes this guy even worse than Bush and Zell.
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:02 PM
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31. This is frightening that so many of you are actually supporting this guy
Everyone, wake up! Buchanan is not our friend. He may take a few stances that seem like ours on the surface, but Buchanan is actually a big-time Christofascist nationalist and yes, I dare say he'd be even worse than Bush even if he didn't lead us to war.
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rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:09 PM
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34. "...but Buchanan is actually a big-time Christofascist nationalist.."
Amen.

No doubt that there are many elements in the Right(especially the far-right) who oppose neo-conservatism.

However, never forget where these idiots are coming from.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:18 PM
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36. Thank you!!!
Everyone, wake up! Buchanan is not our friend. He may take a few stances that seem like ours on the surface, but Buchanan is actually a big-time Christofascist nationalist and yes, I dare say he'd be even worse than Bush even if he didn't lead us to war.

I also can't believe what I'm reading! So glad you're here, Rationality. He'd definitely be worse than Bush if he's actually able to fool even supposedly intelligent people.

http://www.fair.org/current/buchanan-bigot.html
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 07:12 PM
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42. Not supporting him but
if he sticks it to the repigs now and then I'll give him a :thumbsup: for that even though I don't trust him. :-(
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:26 PM
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38. It's come down to this ...
True Americans of every stripe vs. the Anti-American neocon traitors and their enablers. The fact that we agree with Buchanan on some fundamental American issues is a huge, flashing warning sign signalling just how unAmerican the neocons are.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:27 PM
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39. Pat can be respected for the fact
that he is what he is. He isn't a poser. He lays it out and doesn't rely on intellectual slight of hand to make his point.

Of course, he's still wrong about 99.4% of the time.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 06:47 PM
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40. Not 99.4%....
I actually agree with Pat as far as foregin policy is concerned. Put that around 80%. Now when it comes to W it might be 99.4%.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 07:38 PM
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43. Luckily,
Pat is NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE!!!! So people can feel safe and secure in either hating or liking him as a commentator. But the election is about Kerry, bush, ..... and Nader. Focus on reality, and don't get distracted by the non-real stuff. Why is this being debated in such nasty terms, folks?
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 07:57 PM
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44. I wish there were more Dems like Pat Buchanan
nt
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:39 PM
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47. If all Dems were like Pat Buchanan and the race was close
Edited on Fri Apr-23-04 08:40 PM by Rationality
That might be one of those unthinkable moments when I would actually vote for Bush.

Yes, Buchanan scares me that much.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:18 PM
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45. I wish people would be less smitten every time someone fron the right
speaks the truth for a change. It should be the norm for everyone , you know?
It's not more commendable from Buchanan than it is say from Kennedy.
And I can asure you, the worst Democrat is better than the best of them - and I am not particularly enthusiastic on the Dems these days.
Just try applying the same yardstick and you'll see.
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Barbara Ann Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 10:47 PM
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51. I hear ya, but
Buchanan is one of the few who doesn't seem to take the talking points. He makes up his own mind, and I admire that.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:08 PM
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52. Most Democrats, liberals make up their own minds. Look at DU
Why is it every time a puke shows any sign of not complete putritude we errect them a statue? Why not apply to Pat the Lieberman yardstick? You'd be shocked by the results.
hey, I got an idea: admire me! I deserve it more than Buchanan, that's for sure!
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Barbara Ann Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:34 PM
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55. LOL!
For sure!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 08:24 PM
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46. Having a sister like Pat has, is enough to condem him for IMO!
Their momma must have been a full time boozer when they were in the chute! 'Bay the Bagger'(Double Bagger)is as disgusting as Mad Bad Bob Novak! Pat is the one used car sales quality repig who tells the truth about the Gawd the GOPers ALL worship, MONEY! The Reich Wankers ALL make my skin crawl! Don't let Pat Bullshit you he LOVED his Tax Cuts!
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 09:09 PM
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48. I agree with you on the money.....
But money is just money comes and goes....Lives are more important!! This idiot president sent 700 troops to their deaths over lies not to mention the thousands that are seriously injured. Don't forget the Iraqi casualties, they are also human. I find this waaaay more disgusting.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 11:42 PM
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56. "I wish Pat Buchanan was on medication"
If he's not currently taking it he should. If he is currently taking it, he needs to stop. ... or get shock therapy ... or something.

Pat, to me, is an enigma. He is like a parody of a right-wing libertarian nut-case. I just can't take him seriously.

One thing I hold against him BIG TIME, is how he demonized Howard Dean. Pat is one of the first people to whip up "the scream", which was a harmless playful show of enthusiasm to his volunteers, into a political shitstorm assassination.

F*ck Pat. He can rot in hell.
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