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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:03 AM
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Too Funny...Old Falwell Quote On Science Fiction
"The decline in American pride, patriotism, and piety can be directly attributed to the extensive reading of so-called 'science fiction' by our young people. This poisonous rot about creatures not of God's making, societies of 'aliens' without a good Christian among them, and raw sex between unhuman beings with three heads and God alone knows what sort of reproductive apparatus keeps our young people from realizing the true will of God."

--Jerry Falwell, "Can Our Young People Find God in the Pages of Trashy Magazines? No, Of Course Not!" Reader's Digest, Aug. 1985: p142-157
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:05 AM
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1. "raw sex between unhuman beings"
thanks for this insight into the warped mind of Rev. Falwell - yeesh whatta creep!
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:55 AM
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20. Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker????
:-)
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:38 AM
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21. Reptilian brainstems replicating through mascara transfusions!
I've read a lot of sci-fi, but I rarely remember any with slathering alien sex scenes. Maybe that was Sigourney Weaver's thing, but I don't remember the classic sci-fi writers being all that into alien slime sex. Falwell's mother conceived him in an outhouse, according to Larry Flynt, and Falwell lost the libel suit against Flynt, so maybe he shouldn't get so uppity.

Besides, a lot of us would choose the godless bug-eyed alien over the drooling man of god.

Besides, I hate to break it to him. If god is more than a fictional entity, he would have to be an alien life form.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:06 AM
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2. huh?
"...and raw sex between unhuman beings with three heads."

Who told him about my prom night?

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:06 AM
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3. Sounds like Jerry was at the Crawford Ranch ...
Detailing a BFEE orgy rather than an 'alien reproductive encounter'...


:eyes:



:hi Keph !
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:09 AM
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5. Hi Sis!
Well, I guess we know why I'm a liberal now, huh? Falwell's right--science fiction turned me into an anti-American sex-maniac!

:evilgrin:
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:08 AM
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4. Sometimes this guy is so far out
you just have to wonder if he isn't on our side afterall! I mean can someone take a word this man says seriously?

After all, I thought it was the Teletubbies that were the bane of Christian society, now it's Science Fiction. Who knew?

I'm gonna pull a Dixie Chick and say that I'm ashamed this man comes from the state of Virginia.

But after all, what do you expect in a state where it's legal for first cousins to marry.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:10 AM
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6. It's an old quote from 1985
But I thought it was worth posting because of the chuckles that it induces.

;-)
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:11 AM
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7. What he doesn't realize is
that someplace out there in this incomprehensibly gargantuan universe are billions of planets. And on these planets, the odds are that there are some "unhuman" organisms having "raw" sex all the time.

And, there's not one stinking Christian out there! Looks like Fallwell's missionaries will have thier work cut out for them for eons.

B
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:21 AM
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15. The Marklar for example
Did you see the Marklar with the Marklar where the Marklar tried to convert the Marklar to their Marklar and needed millions of Marklar to Marklar their Marklar?

That was Markler Markler!

Man I love Marklar!

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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:12 AM
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8. I'm not sure if this is really one of his
I think it's a joke. I've been Google'ing for it, and I've found one site that mentions it being a joke.

http://www.valleyskeptic.com/stupid~1.htm#falwell
This quote is from an essay by James Gifford, an essay that was not meant to be taken seriously, but apparently was. I have erred by attributing this quote to Jerry Falwell, but left it in because I feel it is something that he will eventually say

TlalocW
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:24 AM
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16. Well, who you gonna believe?
Google or AMERICA's magazine, The Reader's Digest?

Careful how you answer boy, Ashcroft's watchin'.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:49 PM
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25. Jim Gifford? That explains a lot
He's a self-proclaimed Heinlein expert with a tendency to be careless about his arguments. I'm not at all surprised to find that he's the source.

I guess we can at least absolve Jerry Falwell of obsessing about three-headed alien sex.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:12 AM
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9. Definition of 'Puritanism'
"The nagging fear that somebody, somewhere is having a good time..."

(I think that it was either Ambrose Bierce or Robert A Wilson who came up with that one...)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:14 AM
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10. T'was Mencken
:)
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:20 AM
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14. Doh!
I knew it was one of the Great Cynics...


:)
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:16 AM
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11. I guess Conehead mating rings disgust Mr. Falwell
he can just deal with it.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:19 AM
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12. Why do people take this moron seriously?
There are plenty of "conservative" sci-fi authors. According to your post the Rev. Foulwell said this during the administration of that Republican "hero" president, Reagan.

(-snip-)
"...Heinlein himself (increasingly erratic as a writer but still the Grand Old Man of the field, immensely respected by fans and even more by other authors) maintained friendly relationships with conservatives but described himself a libertarian for more than a decade before his death in 1988.

Symbolically, Heinlein was the first among equals in a study commission of SF authors formed by Ronald Reagan to consider the feasibility of an anti-ballistic missile defense. Commission member Gregory Benford later described President Reagan as 'a science fiction fan',..."

(-snip-)
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/sf-history.html

In fact Reagan's "Star Wars" initiative caused a personal split between Robert Heinlein and Arthor C. Clark, according to a television interview with Clark I saw months ago.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:27 AM
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17. Heinlein's fear was of a Theocracy
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 10:40 AM by BigMcLargehuge
Revolt in 2100 is a great exploration of his concern. He also wrote several essays about it, one of which is at the end of Revolt in 2100.

Wish I had an excerpt... But alas, my three-headed, six breasted, alien, multigendered lover asked to borrow it after a night of unnatural sex with our mutually outlandish genetalia.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:47 AM
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22. That nitwit writing all the Rapture books fits the category
or do they consider his stuff non-fiction? <Snicker> They probably do!

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devarsi Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:19 AM
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13. I get this image of Falwell
getting sweatier as he speaks of raw, alien sex, his eyes roling back in his head, his lips trembling....

Hey Jerry, is that a science fiction book in your pocket, or are ya just glad to be here?
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:38 AM
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18. Most fundies fear Fantasy, not Science Fiction.
Remember the flaps about the Harry Potter books? That's just an example of the anti-fantasy bias of so many of them.

I used to make and sell handmade stuffed animals, and I actually had a parent tell his little daughter that she couldn't pick out a unicorn or dragon; she had to choose from those animals that existed in the "real world."

It's very strange, especially since unicorns and dragon do appear in the Bible!

I think the psychology behind it is, they don't want neat images and stories competing with _their_ fantastic ideas about Armageddon, the Rapture, etc.
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redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:52 AM
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19. I understand why he hates science fiction so much...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 10:53 AM by redeye
...it's prone to much more rationalism than other book genres (movies are another story, btw). Do you know how much of a shock I received when I first read Asimov, whose characters actually behaved in a reasonable way?

Now, religion, and even more so religious fanaticism, is the enemy of rationalism - one of them, and probably the fierest, more precisely. Literature that shows that not every rational being is evil is the anathema of religion and its attempts to turn humanity into a society of slaves to something that doesn't even exist. Moreover, science fiction is almost always secular beyond its rationalism, because it shows the triumph of, well, science, as well as the ability of humanity to understand the world without inventing mythical men in the skies.
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ianbruce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:01 PM
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23. "God alone knows what sort of reproductive apparatus"?
They're not of God's making... but He's familier with their reproductive apparatus... OK. What's Falwell accusing God of doing?

I know what he's accusing the rest of us of doing... using our imagination -- a very dangerous thing.
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hotphlash Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:21 PM
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24. sent that quote to Bill Maher.
priceless.

Hopefully it gets read on the air and Ann Coulter has to defend it.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:23 PM
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26. omg that was too funny!
"and God alone knows what sort of reproductive apparatus keeps our young people from realizing the true will of God."

hmmmmmm???? kinky old coot fartwell is
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 03:47 PM
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27. Isaac Asimov was the chairman of the American Humanist Society
in the 80s - all the insane ramblings of these a*holes have a personal, political connotation.
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