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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:30 PM
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Calling out Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity!! You want 'treason?' I'll give
you treason! Giving secret war plans to the head of state of the country of 11 of the highjackers of 9/11.

700million dollars of appropriated money spend in secret for purposes other than the appropriated purpose.

Invading a country that had not attacked the US nor had any intention of attacking us unnecessarily causing the deaths of 700 US military and over 13,000 Iraqi citizens.

Lying to the American people and the Congress with impunity.

If a President can be impeached for 'lying' about a penis affair, surely at least one of the above is worthy of impeachment.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:34 PM
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1. Great Interview!!!
I really enjoyed the 60mins interview. Let's form a fancy pants club!! LMAO
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TOhioLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:34 PM
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2. Here, here!
Agree with you 110%...But you know that 'liberal media bias' will be their watchword. I hope that I'm wrong and they all have a change og heart, but somehow I doubt it.

Trekkerlass
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:35 PM
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3. Can a president be impeached after he leaves office?
We know the current whorish repub leadership in the House and Senate would not allow an impeachment.

But, after the elections, say we have a new president, and a Dem leadership in at least the Senate. Could we at that time, even tho the criminal is out of office, impeach anyway?
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:36 PM
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4. All impeachment does is remove him from power
I think the punishment for treason should be the injection The murder of over 700 men and women and the permanent injury to thousands more
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:55 PM
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7. I don't think so. (nt)
nt
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:09 AM
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9. That would seem kind of redundant.
He would be liable to criminal prosecution however, though I don't think it's ever been done before. Maybe, just before leaving office, he'll just issue himself a blanket pardon for any crimes he may have committed. :mad:
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Peregrine Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:17 AM
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10. The repubs were looking into that
They were thinking of trying to impeach and convict Clinton after he left office. Their line of thinking was that since Clinton receives a pension, that he is still subject to impeachment. The rationale was that if convicted he couldn't receive a pension.

Remember the Senate does not impeach, the House does. So under your plan, a Dem Senate would never see any articles of impeachment.
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Big_AJ Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:40 PM
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5. People of all political stripes throw...
around claims of treason. 'Twould be nice if they would try reading Article III, Section 3 - US Constitution. Check before yelling.

AJ
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:07 AM
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8. ESPIONAGE: IT ISNT EXACTLY TREASON, BUT YOU CAN STILL GET THE CHAIR
If your a psycho in the act of doing it is a differant question (please deposit one quarter for more responses :P ).

http://www.haganlaw.com/docs/Traitors.htm

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ESPIONAGE: IT ISNT EXACTLY TREASON, BUT YOU CAN STILL GET THE CHAIR

The Espionage Act was passed by Congress in 1917 in response to the first World War. Espionage is defined by statute as the act of spying or the gathering, transmitting or losing of information respecting the national defense with the intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of a foreign nation.

There are significant legal distinctions between spying and committing treason, although, at times, the offenses can merge. The only evidence that the prosecution needs to convict someone of violation of the Espionage Act is proof that the defendant:

(1) acted in such a way to incite sedition, riot, or revolution in America for the purpose of embarrassing and/or defeating the military plans of the government, or

(2) unlawfully uttered, printed, wrote or published, disloyal, scurrilous, and abusive language about the government of the United States intending to bring the government into contempt, scorn, contumely and disrepute.

Thus, it appears, that at least during war time, that the First Amendment of the United States may be suspended in the name of keeping America safe from espionage and sedition.



Espionage was rampant during the Civil War and employed by both the Union and Confederate Army. However, few were prosecuted for the sake of attempting to heal the wounds of the country. After World War I, America began in earnest to pursue and prosecute those who had disclosed her military plans and secrets to her enemies under the relatively new 1909 treason statute.

Undoubtedly, the most publicized and notorious case of espionage in this countrys history is that of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in 1951. Prosecutors wanted to try the Rosenbergs for treason but understood they could not prevail due to the two-witness requirement. Therefore, the Rosenbergs, who were of Russian Jewish descent, were charged with and tried for espionage. Their offense was the delivery to the Russians of American know-how, methods and secrets concerning the atomic bomb which allowed the Russians to create nuclear weapons at least ten years before they would have otherwise been capable of making them.

The case was explosive and split the country into two camps. Those who believed the Rosenbergs were innocent and being unfairly prosecuted, and those who were afraid of the spread of Communism and nuclear annihilation. The Rosenberg case took place at the height of McCarthyism in this country. The Rosenberg saga started in February 1950, when Alger Hiss, also convicted of spying, informed authorities that he had passed secret information to a Communist agent named Whittaker Chambers. The investigation soon lead to the arrest of a man named Klaus Fuchs, who then confessed to disclosing to the Soviets information about the Manhattan Project. The Fuchs' arrest initiated a chain reaction of investigations whereby American cryptanalysts successfully deciphered intercepted cables (the "Venona Cables") from the Soviet Consulate to the KGB. One cable in particular lead authorities to a man named David Greenglass. Greenglass was a machinist-soldier stationed in Los Alamos, New Mexico, the military based where the United States conducted its top-secret atomic testing. Greenglass was the brother of Ethel Rosenberg.
(snip)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:54 PM
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6. 15 of the 19 hijakcers were from Saudi Arabia, not 11 (nt)
nt
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:26 AM
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11. T-R-E-A-S-O-N!!!
This all may still go nowhere, but it feels really good to have light shining into the darkness of the dirty-secret Bush White House!
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