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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:37 PM
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The look on Mike Wallace's face when Woodward told him ...
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:52 PM by TruthIsAll
that Bush believes he is sent here to do God's work said it all. It was a look of wonder, disbelief, disgust and even a touch of fear.

Imagine, a President planning on going to war, telling the Saudis before his own staff. Secretly funding the Iraq build up for a war which he was determined to start - with funds previously allocated by Congress for Afghanistan and Bin Laden.

This is impeachable. Woodward implied it without saying so.

Yes, Mike, this is your Resident. Tonight was your turn to hear the words of a powerful establishment figure who knows all about the Bush horror. From the inside. Right from the Chimp's own mouth.

Woodward brought down Nixon 30 years ago. He is a lot more than a journalist. He is obviously a very powerful man. Someone who is very well connected and who is doing what his superiors are telling him to do.

It's another Watergate. Only a lot worse.

First O'Neil. Then Clarke. Now Woodward. And waiting in the Wings: Joe Wilson.

Can Bev Harris and Greg Palast be far behind?

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:39 PM
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1. but but but, Kerry will take away your guns and raise your taxes!!!!
Never underestimate the power of advertising and the gullibility of people who watch U.S. "news" TV.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:44 PM
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7. Where in the WORLD do you get the idea the Kerry is going to
take away your guns??????

For goodness sake, he's a hunter himself!

I wish I knew WHERE this stuff gets started!
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:46 PM
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10. Didn't you hear the word from Cheney?
The headline on all the internet news pages was "Cheney warns NRA that Kerry will take away their guns."
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:21 PM
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26. Sorry lolly, I thought you were serious. I have seen some
posters...even on DU, that think the Dems are going to do stuff like that. If it was only Cheny, well............
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:10 PM
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36. "Cheney takes aim at Kerry in speech to NRA" ... very very scary
Richard Mellon Scaife must have suggested the title himself ... perhaps collaborating with Rove

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04109/302620.stm
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 08:12 AM
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49. Mellon Scaife owns the rival to the Post Gazette
the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. So I'd be amazed if the Post Gazette is now taking orders from Scaife. The Post Gazette is (relatively) liberal.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:43 AM
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53. Role Reversal???
Cheney takes aim at Kerry in speech to NRA" ... very very scary

Interesting... don't the candidates for President usually take aim at the other candidates?

Is Cheney not the Vice-President? What is he doing campaigning against the Democratic candidate? Fine that he supports his pResident... that's to be expected. But can't the pResident speak for himself when some spurious attack on Senator Kerry is "the plan"?

Is Cheney going to do all Bush's campaigning for him? Including the debates? What's going on here?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:48 PM
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12. GOP ad plus Cheney speech to NRA are source of Kerry wants your guns
The gun adds were part of the Rove 10 million a week ad push in the 18 swing states.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:04 PM
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21. Isn't Kerry a hunter himself
:shrug:

*slaps forehead*

WTF am I thinking.

these people never let logic get in the way of anything.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:13 PM
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24. Jacobin was being sarcastic.
He's been here a while.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:22 PM
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27. I'd like to see what they'd all say if bush/cheney started worrying that
liberals had lots of guns, too. I wonder how fast they'd start trying to dismantle the Second Amendment?
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:22 AM
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51. and let homosexual teachers turn your kids gay, and
encourage your daughter to have premarital sex and several abortions.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:41 PM
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2. I hope so. If only the Democrats had a majority in
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:41 PM by Eric J in MN
I hope so. If only the Democrats had a majority in EITHER the House or the Senate, they could launch a full-scale investigation soon.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:41 PM
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3. Liberal Media
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:41 PM by prodigal_green
It doesn't matter that it came out of the chimps mouth itself. They'll just scream "CBS is just trying to promote another book," or "liberal media bias!!" or some crap like that. Those lines are like Wonder Woman's bracelets, they can ward off anything.

Now, if we could just get a hold of her golden lariat of truth.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:42 PM
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4. I appreciate your optimism
Everytime you post that Bush is toast, I get a little more optimistic. 60 minutes hasn't aired here yet.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:49 PM
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13. Forget 60 Minutes. The story is Woodward. He has his marching orders.
Regime change. Right here.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:43 PM
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5. Does this me we have a new deciple?
Is an other chapter to the bible going to be {The book according to Bush?}
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:43 PM
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6. Classic look of disbelief
It's the "I believe I'm hearing something I can't comprehend" look.
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:45 PM
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8. It deserves a MasterCard "priceless" spot...
I couldn't believe it. I don't know if I was more shocked by the confirmation of the messianic complex or the fact that a reporter actually questioned it so starkly.

Well, tomorrow should be interesting in Washington. If it's not, then our government is useless.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:45 PM
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9. no one gives a shit
but us and a few millions of people. nothing will happen to bush,his party won`t do anything about any of this. they`ll hold their noses while they take the checks. much to do about nothing...
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lupita Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:12 AM
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42. And you have the polls to prove it! N/T
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:46 PM
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11. When asked about getting advice from his father, GHWB...
Woodward said that Bu$h said something like he (GHWB) is not the father to get this kind of advice from .. I got my advice from my other Father.

Tonight, hoping Woodward has overstated the Bu$h mental state, but believing that he has not, DemoTex is truly afraid.
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terisel Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:02 PM
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18. did he mean Rverend Moon? n/t
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:03 PM
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20. Dudley is equally afraid
Here is something else to scare your socks off:

Members of the usually media-wary Bush family seem surprisingly unguarded in talking to the authors, and some of their remarks could well disconcert a White House in campaign mode or ratify opponents' worst fears. For instance the Schweizers quote one unnamed relative as saying that George W. Bush sees the war on terrorism ''as a religious war'': ''He doesn't have a p.c. view of this war. His view of this is that they are trying to kill the Christians. And we the Christians will strike back with more force and more ferocity than they will ever know.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE7DE...
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:14 PM
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38. Besides, he knows what his biological father's answer would be:
"Are you f@&%ing crazy? We went over this before, twelve years ago. Nothing has changed. The place will still fall apart in civil war."

I can only hope the whispers will start getting a little louder from the independents and old-time Republicans: "Bush is crazy. He hears voices. He's looking to start Armageddon-type wars."
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:35 AM
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52. Yep, Junior has blown a gasket for sure n/t
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DANDI Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:49 PM
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14. Sounds like a reasonable reaction.
Now if he would just get that same look of wonder, disbelief, disgust and fear when an Islamic radical makes the same statement, we'd be on our way to a constructive discourse.

ABB
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:02 PM
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19. Really? He wasn't fair and balanced enough for your taste?
Oh well, better luck with that "constructive discourse" next time.
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DANDI Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:12 PM
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23. Yes, fairness and balance are my tastes.
Are they mutually exclusive with truth?
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:18 PM
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25. Depends on what you expect the truth to be, eh?
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 08:19 PM by 0rganism
Apparently, you think Mr. Wallace should be just as shocked that militant extremists from theocratic nations in the middle east would have a religious agenda as he was that the leader of a secular superpower would.

There's balance, and then there's naivete.

One of these groups of religious fanatics has its finger on the button of an immense nuclear arsenal capable of rendering the biosphere uninhabitable for thousands of years. The other group hijacks airplanes and blows up discotechs. Which one merits the greater share of incredulity?

Or is it all the same to you?
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DANDI Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:31 PM
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29. Yes, it is the same.
Because one can incite the other. BTW, the nuclear weapons have not been used, so that's only theoretical. Whereas on the other hand, the other group has already demonstrated it's willingness to blow up discos and hijack airplanes. Ask the 9-11 families or any Israeli.

ABB
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:26 AM
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44. Nuclear weapons have not been used?
You've got a big chunk of history to explain, then.



Ask the "downwinders" and the "atomic veterans" about the effects of the "harmless" doses of radiation to which they were exposed.



And which country produces and uses depleted uranium in its armor piercing weapons? There's DU all over the Iraqi and Yugoslavian countryside now, doing wonders for the groundwater.

But that's rather immaterial to the larger picture. An Armageddonist president who has reportedly commented on the historical legacy of his leadership by remarking, "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead," is definitely a new and improved kind of threat to global safety. If you think that's literally the same sort of phenomenon as the terrorist attacks that have plagued the middle east for decades, then I pity your lack of perspective.
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:33 PM
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32. please make it clear for me.....
are you calling bush a Christian radical? I mean we recognize when someone from an area of the planet that we aren't familiar with says things like "god (Allah, Jehovah,) is on our side", or "it is the will of god (Allah, Jehovah) that we defeat the infidels", that the person making the statement is not a person interested in peace and discourse with the rest of the world.

So I agree...Shrub speaks on the same radical level that the "evildoers" do.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:11 PM
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37. Does he do many interviews with
Islamic radicals? I don't watch TV much so I don't know how often these interviews occur. What sort of reaction do you normally see when an Islamic radical that he's interviewing makes a similar statement?

And yes, I do find a statement like that coming from the U.S. President to be a bit more shocking than one coming from an Islamic radical, you sort of expect it from them, while it's unexpected coming from an American President. I guess I just have slightly higher standards and expectations for American elected officials than I do for Islamic radicals, although that may be a mistake.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 09:00 AM
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50. We expect religious radicals to make statements
about God's will, and such. What we don't expect is for a US president to be a religious radical.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:50 PM
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15. You Forgot John Dean
and yes, Bush is Toast.

IMO, the white guys with a lot of money realise how fucked up the cabal that has seized power are.

Ultimately, Bush is NOT good for business. Iraq could have been and SHOULD have been done with much more finesse.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:51 PM
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16. I was watching a movie and the Guy was getting messages from Gawd
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:52 PM by xultar
all through the movie they were trying to get that guy's ass locked up in a hurry. In real life, we let one become President.

Something is dreadfully wrong! :grr:
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:00 PM
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17. "Bush acts as if he had the Mandate of Heaven"
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 08:01 PM by 0rganism
I believe it was someone in the Chinese punditry who pointed this out, which is a bit of an odd thing for someone living in a totalitarian imperialist regime to say about a foreign leader.
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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:31 PM
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30. The thing about the Chinese "Mandate of Heaven"
is that it can be withdrawn when a ruler isn't benevolent and wise. Thus the fall of dynasties (at least, this is the way the historians of the next dynasty explain it).

Unfortunately, loss of the "Mandate" was usually accompanied by, if not accomplished by, revolution, war, chaos and sometimes invasion.

Hard to know how far that Chinese pundit meant to take the analogy. But I don't find it odd at all...
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:07 PM
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22. Bush's belief that he is God's vessel is OK with most of the people...
...where I live. Sick, huh?
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:33 PM
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33. It may play well in some pockets or even regions of the US
But I believe that most Americans who possess profound religious faith have not surrendered their powers of rational judgement, and will be disturbed by the idea of a guy who won't go to experienced and knowledgeable men for advice on matters as grave as war, but just listens to God -- who apparently and coincidentally tells George W exactly what he (or Cheney or Wolfowitz) wants him to hear.

This ain't going to play well nationally. Bush is either getting crazier by the day, or else is getting bad advice about reaching out to the undecided.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:15 AM
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58. That's why there will be a holy war here if we impeach
or indict.

coming in 2020: St. Bush's Cathedral.

eech.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:24 PM
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28. ScarletWoman made a post here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

in which she mentions that Woodward was former Navy Intelligence and that he was part of a big group that wanted Nixon out. I'd never heard that before but it makes sense. It makes sense in the way "Deep Throat" sought Woodward & Bernstein out and trusted them.

If this in fact the case, and that "He is a lot more than a journalist. He is obviously a very powerful man. Someone who is very well connected and who is doing what his superiors are telling him to do.", there's a whole other group of folks working to get rid of Bush that are NOT Democrats, liberals or anywhere on this side of the fence. They're looking out for the good of the country and that good means getting rid of Bush.

This adds a whole new light on the topic to me.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:37 PM
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34. Or, alternatively, Woodward put this out to deflect the more damaging
books from Clarke and Dean.

:shrug:

Kanary
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:06 PM
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35. I dunno... I thought the pretty much entire Woodward interview
was pretty damning overall. In fact I think its just as damning as Clarke's interview.

I don't know why people are upset with Woodward or think this was a whitewash. I think it was anything but a whitewash.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:27 PM
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40. Woodward's possible CIA connections have often been cited
See, for example:

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr196-woodward.html
http://www.davidcogswell.com/MediaRoulette/WoodwardBush...
http://truedemocracy.net/td2_1/19-MoreCensorship-1.html

There are further Washington Post/CIA connections from the Watergate period as well -- see http://www.namebase.org/davis.html for some particularly hair-raising examples. (Does the name "James Angleton" ring any bells?) The exposure of Watergate was far from being the simple exercise in democracy we've been led to believe it was.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:02 AM
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54. James Jesus Angleton, the scariest CIA spook ever?
After Ted Shackley and Richard Helms, that is....


Woodward is a CIA plant. If HE wants Bush out, that means there is a concerted effort on the part of the Intelligence Community that is offended by the OSP and Bush's PNAC shenanigans to usurp the boyking's cabal. Woodward's their press/propaganda wing commander.

This might get pretty interesting.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:33 PM
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31. There is plenty of doubt. In fact, more than plenty.
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The same kinds of people who can say things like "I thought the president's press conference was great. He seemed strong and confident. He made me feel safe. I DIDNT REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING. You could just tell" are the same people going to vote.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:23 PM
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39. By saying "My other father" I thought he meant...Cheney.
whatever he meant...the boy has lost it.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:11 AM
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41. Palast and Harris Won't be Called
Palast knows too much and can make too many connections to the world powers that be.

Harris has the issue they don't want to investigate- Bush can go down, they must, however, make sure that people don't control the vote.

Clean up the elections and the power equation begins to change.

Voting is the big, "Don't look here," issue.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:57 AM
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46. Yes. This is MUCH BIGGER than Bush.
He can be taken down. But for real change to come, something more is needed.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:16 AM
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43. Bush is insane
This is scarey.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:26 AM
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45. And coming from a man with his* extensive history with drugs...
I'm not so sure I put a lotta weight into Shrubie's conception of God.
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:00 AM
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47. After watching 60 minutes,
I am now totally convinced, without a doubt, that bush* is insane. So is Cheney, Rummy, and Wolfowitz. bush* listens to Condi, Karen, Tenent, Cheney, and God, then starts a war. Unbelievable!!!!
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fencesitter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:14 AM
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57. Isaw this both ways....
My thoughts were same as yours, the guy is nuckin futs. BUT, in the other camp, I will bet people heard what a man of steely resolve and vision he is. God has chosen him to lead the US into spreading democracy and Christianity throughout the world. People here what they want to.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 06:31 AM
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48. The chimp has
quite a history of quotes claiming that God speaks to and through him. If Pravda had done its job all along most of this shit would not be happening. Imagine what they'd have done if Clinton said he heard "voices" and it guided his policies and misadventures.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:03 AM
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55. I met god once. He spoke to me quietly, said he liked me and would
send the sun to shine on me the next morning to prove it. Of, course, 'god' was in Camarillo State Hospital in California where I was doing a tour with my psych class.

Still, he was a rather intriguing chap. Funny, I didn't notice he had any interest in politics. Seemed more involved with his big push broom and catching rays of sunlight with his left hand than in talking to any spoiled rich kid who was, at that point in time, AWOL from TANG.

But 'god' was very concerned with the birds outside his steel mesh reinforced windows. He spoke eloquently about the importance of safeguarding the environment. And he reminded me, before I left, that he liked me. And, damned if the sun didn't shine on me the very next morning, just like he promised.

Wonder if that man is still in that hospital. Maybe someone should consider running him for office?

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:09 AM
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56. the whole atmosphere of that interview was creepy...
both Mike Wallace and Bob Woodward did not look very comfortable at all. It's not only just what they said but HOW they said it that was so disturbing. I feel that they haven't said quite everything yet and that there is a lot more to come.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:16 AM
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59. Wish I'd seen it!
I turned 60 Minutes on late as it was then a storm front went through with tornado warnings, so most of that interview was preempted by the weather guy. :(

Mike Wallace has been around a zillion years and has pretty much heard it all. For him to be shocked by this is telling, to me.
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