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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:42 PM
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Bush claims there will be no history of the iraqi war . . .
"Because we will all be Dead!" This is what Bob Woodward stated at the end of his 60-minute interview. He stated he asked Bush what history would say of his Iraqi war.

This scares the living hell out of me. God help us all.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:44 PM
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1. bush is more frightening than I could have imagined.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:44 PM
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2. He sounds crazy enough to drop a nuke
Since we'll all "be dead" anyhow.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:45 PM
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3. Said "History...We will all be dead."
Or in other words...Who gives a shit.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:50 PM
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5. Do you realize what a hold the religious right has . . .
on this man. He was told by Billy Graham that he was the "prodical son." He feels this is a mission he is on at the end of times. He really believes this is what God wants him to do; however, he has never came out so plain as he did with this quote.

Somebody better be screaming about this on the news tomorrow. This is outrageous and irresponsible for a President of this Country to stand there and say that the war he started is going to end up with "all of us dead."

Somethings gotta be done, but what???????
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feloneous cat Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:02 PM
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18. Nope, you got it wrong way...
... Bush has got a hold on the religious right.

Bush uses people - for example look at Vincente Fox, President of Mexico. Bush used him in his bid for the Presidency then did zippo afterwards - until this election and then it is again all smiles and "my guys will talk with your guys and the check is in the mail".

Religion is again something that he uses. He doesn't clearly understand squat about it, nor care that much about it. I would be stunned if he could name more than three of the ten commandments.

I know a little about religion as Dad is an Episcopal priest (retired). We chatted about this subject just recently and he doesn't think Bush is particularly religious either. He shows none of the fervor (other than near an election - notice what got signed recently? Think that was by chance?).

Bush understands the power of the religious zealots, but not because he is one. He merely sees them as another tool. Remember, his goal is power, not money or heavenly rewards. When you look at it from that perspective, it starts to become clear.

feloneous
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:45 PM
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44. Deep breath...
...read #23.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:51 PM
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11. remember sec of interior j watt?
he was asked about raping the environment and how he felt about leaving that legacy for his grandkids. he said it didn't matter, we were living in the end times...
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:03 PM
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33. Rick Santorum too
When questioned about the need for enforcement of environmental laws to protect the future of the planet, he responded that there was no guarantee that the world was going to still exist in 100 years.

People who poo-poo this sort of apocalyptic thinking need to have a look at all the "End Times" books topping the best selling lists. It certainly has captured the imagination of at least a segment of the population.

Still, dreaming of "wars and rumors of wars" and having your kid getting his leg blown off in Iraq as his part in the long anticipated End Times might shake a few more people back to their senses.

Bush's remarks to Woodward on how he would rather listen to God than his Dad -- who was MERELY a former President and Vice President -- ain't gonna play well, as Karen Hughes might have planned, to "expand the base" of voters of people possessing profound religious faith. Only wacky people have a "Bring it On" attitude towards Armageddon -- not all folks of profound faith have abandoned their faculties of rational judgement.

I don't know HOW it happened, but I think Mr Rove and Ms Hughes have blundered badly in pushing the Divine Mission issue onto the undecided American voter.

Prediction: watch the polls drop this week -- unless, of course, they are the ones that freepers and wackos can manipulate.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:54 PM
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46. I have always accused the repukes of being extremely
short sighted. Now it all makes sense. The question is: Do they just think it's GOING to happen or are they going to MAKE it happen?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:47 PM
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4. Or
He will see to it that textbooks and other scholarly accounts of the war are appropriatley "cleansed" for "national security".
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:13 PM
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24. That's exactly why he wants to replace the U.S. Archivist!!
LBN thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

GD threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

They have so much to hide, how better than by sacking the current one who doesn't see things their way, and putting in someone on the family retainer?

They really just need a shredder-feeder; what's ol' Ollie North doin'?

The "winner" writes the history books, indeed. :mad:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:50 PM
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6. Link?
Would like to read all of hwat was said by Woodward.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:01 PM
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15. I would go to the 60-minutes News web site on CBS...
I'm sure it will be on there. I just watched the interview of Bob Woodward. Post it if there is one. I'm gonna check too.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:09 PM
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22. It's out there - check out this part, he's a nutcase!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/mai...

Having given the order, the president walked alone around the circle behind the White House. Months later, he told Woodward: As I walked around the circle, I prayed that our troops be safe, be protected by the almighty. Going into this period, I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will. I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I be as good a messenger of his will as possible. And then, of course, I pray for
forgiveness."

Did Mr. Bush ask his father for any advice? I asked the president about this. And President Bush said, Well no, and then he got defensive about it, says Woodward. And then he said something that really struck me. He said of his father, He is the wrong father to appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms of strength. And then he said, There's a higher father that I appeal to."

Beyond not asking his father about going to war, Woodward was startled to learn that the president did not ask key cabinet members either.


snip>

After the second interview with him on Dec. 11, we got up and walked over to one of the doors. There are all of these doors in the Oval Office that lead outside. And he had his hands in his pocket, and I just asked, Well, how is history likely to judge your Iraq war, says Woodward.

And he said, History, and then he took his hands out of his pocket and kind of shrugged and extended his hands as if this is a way off. And then he said, History, we dont know. Well all be dead.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:48 PM
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36. Here's your picture
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Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:02 PM
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17. It was just on 60 minutes
Threads about the segment are all over the board.
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:05 PM
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20. Here's a link
Toward the bottom of the article....

How does the president think history will judge him for going to war in Iraq?

After the second interview with him on Dec. 11, we got up and walked over to one of the doors. There are all of these doors in the Oval Office that lead outside. And he had his hands in his pocket, and I just asked, Well, how is history likely to judge your Iraq war, says Woodward.

And he said, History, and then he took his hands out of his pocket and kind of shrugged and extended his hands as if this is a way off. And then he said, History, we dont know. Well all be dead.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/mai...
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:14 PM
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40. Links to Washington Post Excerpt Series - Parts 1 and 2
As of Monday, April 19, the Washington Post has published two of five excerpts from Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack."

About Plan of Attack

Bush Began to Plan War Three Months After 9/11 - Part 1/5

With CIA Push, Movement to War Accelerated - Part 2/5
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feloneous cat Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:50 PM
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7. And it had the words "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters...
I believe when Bush was talking he meant 'we' as in his little cabal, not the world at large.

Bush is not a man who speaks clearly, nor is he one who is subtle. Rewind to his latest news interview for a refresher course in "Bush on the spot".

So stop panicking, come out of the bomb shelter and rejoin humanity.

feloneous
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:57 PM
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12. Sorry, not buying it!
I think that man is crazy enough to leave NO witnesses on Earth.
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feloneous cat Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:35 PM
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27. Don't think he is insane...
Just stupid. Last I checked they don't equal the same thing.

Stupid: Kill the people you want to be your friends.
Insane: Nuke the people you want to be your friends.

Stupid: Not capable of coming up with an answer to a simple question.
Insane: Coming up with a fictious answer to a simple question.

Stupid: Having the PDB read to you.
Insane: NOT reading the PDB or having it read to you.

Stupid: Saying you will get bin Laden then not.
Insane: Getting ANYONE who is tall and skinny, whether they are bin Laden or not.

Stupid: Insisting there are WMD's without any proof.
Insane: PLANTING WMD's to provide the proof.

feloneous

Everyone on DU has to take a drink when the word STUPID is written about Dubya
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:58 PM
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47. In the case of W, he is both Insane AND Stupid!
The others are insane and cunning.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:48 PM
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32. bs
when *ush says "we", he means US, not him and his cabal.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:08 PM
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39. We KNOW we will all be dead. That is NOT the answer to the question.
He was asked how will history judge the war.

He could have said: I am sure that historians will say it was the right thing to do, although it wasn't popular at the time.

But Mr. Sockpuppet apparently does not have the strong belief that he is doing the right thing. Or maybe we are at the end of history.
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Palacsinta Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:50 PM
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8. What a chilling interview!
with Bob Woodward. Bush said it was his God-given mission as God's messenger to set people free? Does he think he's Moses or Jesus? He may be delusional. I am terrified. No other words
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:04 PM
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31. He makes that type of statement all the time.
Freedom is not America's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty God's gift to every man and women in this world.
. . .

We're a nation with a mission, and that mission comes from our most basic beliefs. We believe that freedom is the right of every single person in the world. By the unselfish dedication of Americans in uniform, people in our own country and in lands far away, people can live in freedom and know the peace that freedom brings.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/2004021...
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:00 PM
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48. Yes, to set people free of their civil rights, their
livlihoods, their savings, their lives...that's what he means by setting people free.

What a psycho! :grr:
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:51 PM
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9. Typical answer
of an "I do not give a shit." Smart mouth bully.

180
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:51 PM
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10. OMG. Can we get 5 others to confirm that they heard this?
I didn't watch it. Did he REALLY say that?

(No offense, Frankly, but it's rather shocking news..)
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Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:01 PM
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14. Absolutely said it
The exact words were "History? There'll be no history. We'll all be dead." End of segment.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:03 PM
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19. Okay, now I'm scared.
If there is no history, then he must mean everyone will be dead.

This is a great topic, but it will probably get locked since there's no link. Does 60 minutes post transcripts?
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:15 PM
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25. Yes it did . . .
here is the link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/mai...

Does anyone know why this got moved to "General Discussion?" It was latest breaking news. The man had just said it when I posted it???

Wonder why the move?
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feloneous cat Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:45 PM
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28. CT...
There is always a CT...

feloneous

"The Hokey Pokey was NEVER what it was all about" David Kay

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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:51 PM
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37. Yes, he said it
:scared:
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:57 PM
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13. Didn't Junior say this yesterday on CNN? There was a DU thread about it.
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 06:59 PM by PartyPooper
Junior was asked, "What will history have to say...?" Junior responded (paraphrased), "Gee, I don't know...we'll all be dead."

:silly:
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:02 PM
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16. I missed it too but
my husband watched it and he didn't mean it in the end of the world sense. It was in the sense of "I'm too stupid to give a real answer so I'll just say we won't know because all of us will be dead."

Since he didn't give a real answer, let me tell him how he will be remembered in history: WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!! FUCKING LUNATIC!!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:07 PM
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21. If Woodward is correct (I saw 60-Minutes), and I think he is ...
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:07 PM by DemoTex
Bu$h needs to be sedated, restrained, and put into a room in a mental institution where he can't hurt himself (or others). Bu$h is 10X crazy as Nixon ever was. Truly.

On edit: Bu$h is way too sick to impeach.

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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:11 PM
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23. Ya'll are giving him too much credit for the we'll all be dead comment
He just wasn't smart enough or willing enough or reflective enough to be able to answer Woodward's question about how history will remember the Iraq war. He means we'll all be gone someday, so who cares?

And it's true that everyone alive today will someday all be gone. That's all he meant. He's just stupid and doesn't CARE. He couldn't give a good answer to that question because he cannot think deeply enough.

He's a true idjit. I am embarrassed that he is the resident. I really really am.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:36 PM
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41. Bingo!
I don't think we have anything to worry about with that answer Bush* gave to Woodward. He just wasn't articulate enough to give an intellectual answer. That's all.

You guys know that this man can't speak and THINK worth a shit.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:44 PM
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43. Yeah...I took it the wrong way at first.
Then I realized how inarticulate he is, and I basically think he was talking about anyone who's alive now won't see the history written later. Still not a good thing to say though.
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feloneous cat Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:26 PM
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26. Proof that Bush is an Idiot...
History is already being written.

A sneak preview:

George W Bush is the only President to have taken the oath of office while having lost the election due to legal wrangling <linkto: Why Lawyers Were First Against the Wall When the Revolution Came">. During his tenure he fought a war against terrorism that increased terrorism, illegally installed a government in Iraq, <linkto: How Civil War Created Kurdistan/Iraq>, and ballooned the national debt <linkto: How China Bought the US for 10 cents on the Dollar>. He was defeated, like his father, after only one term <linkto: The Fall of Texas Chic>. After attempting to retire in his adopted state of Texas, he was tarred and feathered and eventually run out on a rail <linkto: Use of the Internet to Discover Ancient Methods of Abuse>. His whereabouts are unknown.

feloneous
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:54 PM
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29. I think it was just a lame attempt to paraphrase John Maynard Keynes.
However, Bush definitely is mentally unstable, delusional, and dangerous.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:57 PM
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30. yeah, that does sound like that famous Keynes aphorism.
...bet W didnt even know where he got it from.

But the Divine Guidance of foreign policy is sort of "out there".
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:05 PM
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34. This really just proves how stupid he is
Too fucking dumb to think of a response that doesn't make him look like the idiot and failure he really is.

So he answers with "I don't know what history will say. We will all be dead by then"

Gee, Bush, great answer.

IF YOU ARE SEVEN YEARS OLD
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:17 PM
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35. * stupidly thinks that it takes many decades to write History???
The least evil take on "we'll all be dead" is that Bush actually thinks that History is just a class they teach in high school whose text books wouldn't have an account of the Iraq War for many decades.

Is really that simple? Or as others have suggested: * was thinking who cares? We'll all be dead eventually - so why worry.

Or did he mean something more sinister?

No matter what he meant - the man is truly warped and frighteningly he is the President of the United States.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:54 PM
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38. IIRC, wasn't he a History major in college?
Or minored, maybe? Either way it was a scary comment.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:41 PM
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42. Does He know something we don't? Of course he does!
like a child who occasionally speaks out of turn, this has been discussed by the enclave. They plan to maintain power indefinitely anyway they can, while planning to rewrite history portraying themselves as wrt saviors of the human race from ME oppressors.

Inspiration from God and all that tripe.

Underestimate this gang and we lose.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:47 PM
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45. Gee, hope Nader voters thinks it's all worth it now....
and that there's no difference between a President Gore and President Bush.

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