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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:56 PM
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Bob Woodward/ 60 Minutes

Journalist Bob Woodward tells 60 Minutes the secret details of he White House's plans for war on Iraq in an exclusive interview, Sunday at 7 pm ET/PT. More... ...
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtm...
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:00 PM
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1. delayed, f*ing golf!!!
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:01 PM
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2. Paunchy guys with little balls.
We know what's important, don't we?
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:21 PM
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22. Saudis
Cheney & Rummy tell Prince Bandar about Iraq BEFORE letting the Sec. of State????? They Show the Saudi Ambassador top secret maps detailing the plans BEFORE even discussing it with Powell??? OMG...what the hell is Powell still doing there??
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:25 PM
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38. He was against the war.
'nuff said.
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:32 PM
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58. Right...Powell was against the war
But he should have resigned in protest when he found out that the Saudis were considered more important to inform than he was.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:48 PM
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99. no, not enough
Powell sold his soul by being the misadministration's envoy and mouthpiece to the UN.

He was against the war, he knew it was Bushit, yet he spread that convincing manure to the Security Council of the UN, to the press and to many gullible Americans. Fuck him.

He should have resigned and spoken out. He should have saved lives instead of being "the good soldier," as Woodward euphemistically put it.

Powell has no spine, no morals, no balls and no more credibility.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:48 PM
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171. Exactly! Powell's presentation to the UN shows the 'good soldier'
at work!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:03 PM
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3. looks like its over, sorry golf is a stupid game...
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:05 PM
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5. I wonder...
If this will get swept under the rug like O'Neill's book, and Clarke's book...
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:08 PM
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7. Richard Clarke swept under the rug? I think not!!
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:29 PM
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136. When was the last time you saw him?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:46 PM
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144. What are you smoking?
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:18 PM
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152. That's not the point...seriously...
I haven't really seen him out recently, can you tell me when you last saw him?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:29 PM
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157. The point is Richard Clarke has been taken seriously
1. His book is fucking number one

2. He was and is the superstar of the 911 Hearings

3. He is in the news everyday as being an extremely creditable source of information

Only folks that aren't paying attention seem to believe Clarke has been swept under the rug.

Because you haven't seen Clarke re-make the circuit of networks, doesn't mean he's been forgotten.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:40 PM
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161. I understand that, but...
We know he's credible...we're reading his book...we seek him out for information, and just for the record, I DO pay attention. What I was saying, and I'm sorry if it was confusing, is that if you look at the big picture, the White House has been pretty successful at destroying people who go against them: O'Neill, Shinseki, Clarke, Medicare Actuary, et al, and they have been able to spin away all of it. I know what Clarke said during his testimony was astonishing, and I'll believe someone who's been fighting terror for 30 years like Clarke has before I'll believe somebody like Bush who couldn't handle a Boy Scout troop meeting. Keep in mind that the majority of the American people sadly DO NOT pay attention like we do...and that's a tragedy in and of itself. So, try and look at it from an average American...kinda in the middle, workin' hard, may like to see Shrubby "kicking ass" in Iraq...if that guy doesn't see this, or frankly -understand- it, then the White House is successful once again.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:32 PM
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169. Don't underestimate the average American
I could show you some die hard oil men that are Bush lovers that are changing their mind real fast here in Midland Texas.

So all that White House spin isn't doing that much good.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:18 PM
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176. I believe what you're saying, but here's the thing...
Americans still think this war was a good thing. If what you're saying (which I like because it's incredibly optimistic) was true, then approval for the Iraq war would be down to practically nothing, and not 57%...I know it's hard to look at this whole thing through different eyes, but in order to objectively see the real impact this shit has on the American people, you're gonna have to let go of the fact that you're an intelligent, informed, concerned patriot.

(that's a compliment BTW)

Failure.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:51 AM
Response to Reply #152
199. Clarke is on Nightline all the time
He has a deal with ABC.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:09 PM
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9. Thank you for that blanket explanation of golf.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:04 PM
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4. I seldom put on a tinfoil hat here BUT...
...didn't Richard Clarke ALSO get delayed for a sport - basketball?

WAIT! Only 4 MINUTES late!
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One Taste Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:07 PM
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6. 60 minutes ALWAYS gets delayed for sporting events that cbs carries
so we need to get over it eh?


Although it is amusing to see on du every time something interesting is on 60 min. :)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. DON'T poke holes in my conspiracy theory!
I have so damn few of them!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:24 PM
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34. Watergate Reporter does Whitewash Whoring for Bush! Disgusting...
Disgusting....Making the "Chimp" a pathetic, compassionate figure. Woodward is a Whore Supreme. He even trashs Tenant. I don't like Tenant but Woodward's quotes of "pithy" language from the Chimp don't match up with his usual mispeaks, garbled grammar, and lack of any historic perspective.

Whore Woodward! :puke:
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peace4all Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:35 PM
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60. -
My question about Woodward's accounts of his interviews with Bush, since Bush's handlers are NEVER EVER willing let anything out that is not completely controlled and filtered, why should we believe this? Why was Woodward allowed to interview Bush at all?



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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:42 PM
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83. Agree Peace4all...this interview smells of hokeyness to me...painting
the Shrub as sort of an "innocent" besieged by folks who are giving him "conflicting info."

Sounds to me like Poppy called in a favor from Woodward and said: "Please protect my little innocent spawn, sprout. "It's all Cheney's Fault!"

YUKKKK!

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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #83
108. There have been reports here on DU, I believe that
Woodward is very well connected to the intelligence community. But then, he trashes Tenet, who may deserve it. Unless of course, there is a higher level powers-that-be intelligence and "runners of the world" who want Bush out. I'll go put on my tinfoil hat now.
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peace4all Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:07 PM
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125. whatever the truth is
we are only hearing a selected part of it or the version sombody wants us to hear.
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peace4all Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:03 PM
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123. I feel like we are being manipulated
I can't believe Rove would just allow the candid truth out. It goes against everything we know about these people.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:36 PM
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138. I don't know...
I don't think they have any choice. See, there's this "inconvenient" thing called the Constitution that says we have these "freedoms" like "freedom of speech" (until someone hears what you say) and "freedom of the press" (unless you print bad things about the administration or their buddies). They'll sure try to discredit Woodward, just like they tried to do with Clarke, there's just one.small.problem...THEY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH! No matter what they say or do, it is the truth, and that infuriates them.

Let's think of this positively...this is the beginning of the END of George W. Bu$h
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:30 PM
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159. I DON'T CARE! I'm STILL calling my Congressman in the morning!
You can do likewise - TOLL FREE - see my sig line. And now, THIS:

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts updated April 14, 2004 in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

IF THEY THINK WE DONT CARE, THEY WONT, EITHER!


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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #60
89. Woodward is a republican.
And he's done it before.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:46 PM
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95. We saw two different interviews...
... I thought it made Bush look insane! Alsp the revelation the Saudi Ambassador promises to lower oil proces just before the election... I hope everybody in America saw this interview.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:13 PM
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128. exactly my thoughts
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:14 PM by Carolina
KoKo01 :toast: See my post: Spare me, Bob Woodward.

He's a BushCo whore. Why else would he have been given such access? Here's a guy who helped bring Nixon down and many of these thugs cut their teeth under that earlier Dickster yet they talk to him when they are otherwise known for their secrecy. Hmmm
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:09 PM
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8. Just started at about 7:07 PM
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:14 PM
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13. So far...it's pretty damning about Cheney and showing Franks as a laughing
figure denying that he knows anything.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. yeah, keep that picture in your head
when you think about the plans to shred the constitution this fall before the election.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:13 PM
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10. Mike Wallace: "But is was a wonderful plan"
What planet are you living on Mike? Have you looked at Iraq lately?
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:13 PM
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11. ok, this money thing is really incredible...
And Mike Wallace seemed to completely miss the point.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:16 PM
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18. Yup, Woodward had to point out that it is against the Constitution
to appropriate money without permission of the congress.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:13 PM
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12. I can't stand Woody, the original egotistical elitist snob reporter-but
this should be a good one tonight. From what I've been reading about his new book.
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. "Darn" Bush says...
He's got a more vulgar vocab then that, we know for sure
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:15 PM
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15. Impeach them all!!!
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:20 PM
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20. Powell says "Yes Mr President I'll be with you"
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM by candy331
Is this man on the up and up, I am skeptical,can he provide proof of his assertions, that's the key.
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. This Bandar thing really pisses me off....
I just can't believe what I'm hearing...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:20 PM
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19. Who told Woodward all this?
Because I think the war timeline is a bloody lie.
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #19
33. How so aquart?
As in, the timeline started much earlier? It can't possibly have been later, not with this crew....
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:43 PM
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86. I think war with Iraq was intended from day 1.
They were just looking for a rationale for it.

This "liberate people" is crap. It's pr for publication.

Pity Woodward didn't ask George how the mandate to "liberate people" jibed with his campaign statements about not doing nation building. Where did the impulse suddenly appear from? When he ran out of excuses?
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carpe diem Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #19
43. what also seems suspicious..
is the idea of Bush being the one making decisions...I don't buy it.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:14 AM
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197. We WANT that!!!
I have wanted the press to hold him responsible for this administration for a very long time. Until we do that, he gets a free pass. This is actually a pretty unflattering picture of him. This shows his grandiosity, lack of curiosity, and willingness to ignore facts.
Aslong as people just think he's dumb, he gets a free pass and noone holds him responsible for anything. In that case- maybe to the less enlightened, all needs is a new administration and he'll make fine president for the next four years....if gas prices go up.
Until HE known as the guy who ignored facts and didn't do the job the way he was supposed to by asking the right people the right questions, people will assume it's not his fault. People are more likely to be convinced that he needs to be voted out if they think he is directly responsible.
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Sticky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #19
46. Absolutely!
He's discounting O'Neill and Clarke's timeline....and it's very subtle so far.

He's a shill for the WH
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:22 PM
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23. Gee, I wonder what Prince Bandar's security clearance is?
Apparently it is higher than Colin Powell's.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Indeed
This is fucking outrageous!
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:26 PM
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44. Of course it's higher than Powell's because he's a SAUDI! House of
Bush, House of Saud :puke:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:22 PM
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24. HOLY SHIT! Saudi Arabia to lower oil prices for Bush!
!!!
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM
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27. Bush cuts a deal with Bandar
To lower oil prices for the election! Jeez
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. THAT my friends
is price fixing...isn't that a criminal act?
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #36
93. Bribery, not price fixing. n/t
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #36
155. Could some of the Woodward bashers
Explain how bringing this to the light of day is a bad thing. Geez, Woodward wrote one semi pro Bush book (Bush at War, which portrayed Bush in several lights) and he's the anti christ.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #27
141. ... and to raise them beforehand so that the Prince cuts a profit
The FEC should be alerted. This is a campaign contribution by a foreign government, and one much greater than our current FEC laws would permit.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Well the cat's out of the bag now!
Too bad I missed the begining. I thought it came on at 8pm.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:24 PM
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35. Of course. I've been telling my people that the oil prices are high now..
so that they can make their money before the election when they have to lower their prices to help the chimperor.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:29 PM
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51. The Saudi Prince knew before Powell and the Congress? Treason!!
If that ain't treason what the hell is?

Bush is an idiot maniac and most Americans are brainwashed!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #51
80. After this interview, everyone old enough to remember Watergate...
should definately consider voting bush out of office. I certainly hope they will.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #24
139. This is the biggest part of the story: treason
Bush working with the Saudi prince to manipulate the election
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #139
154. My gut reaction was the same but
There is a discussion about this on the other thread.

The Iraq resolution was passed in Oct 2002, Bush was given free reign.

We are not at offical war with Saudi Arabia, although a case might be made that they are one of the states which harbor terrorists, given all the madrassas which preach hate against us.

It does *feel* like treason but under the legal definition it isn't.

The misappropriation of funds on the other hand is a crime. I wonder why Bush told Woodword about this. Perhaps he didn't realize this was illegal? He isn't well versed in government policy.

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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #154
190. Even if he didn't know this was illegal,
which I could believe because I don't think he could find his own ass without a compass and a map, the rest of this misadministration have been in the government long enough to know that this is illegal. This whole interview blew me away.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #139
173. And the Repugs complain that Kerry gets 'Forgien Leaders' indorsements?
WTF? :wtf:
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:06 PM
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148. He did NOT just say that did he?
Did Woodward say that Prince Bandar promised to lower oil prices near election time to help out the prez get reelected? I missed that. God help this country. Congress better expose this crap. And the Repubs have the NERVE to complain that Kerry is somehow unethical by talking to other foreign leaders about who should be president. That is so WRONG. I don't want to hear another word about Buddhist monk donations EVER!!!
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:06 PM
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149. He did NOT just say that did he?
Did Woodward say that Prince Bandar promised to lower oil prices near election time to help out the prez get reelected? I missed that. God help this country. Congress better expose this crap. And the Repubs have the NERVE to complain that Kerry is somehow unethical by talking to other foreign leaders about who should be president. That is so WRONG. I don't want to hear another word about Buddhist monk donations EVER!!!
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:26 AM
Response to Reply #24
201. Why surprised? Bet they'll "capture" OBL right before the election too.
I haven't said anything about that here, but folks, I guarantee we know EXACTLY where he is.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM
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26. Just exposed bush and the Saudis plan to drop oil prices..
in time for the election. Duh. Like that's news to my. :eyes:
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. HOLY COW!
I just heard it!
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:25 PM
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39. So I guess the current prices are artificially high now
And then they'll drop em in a few months to make things in the economy look better.

Who doesn't believe in conspiracy theories now?
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:27 AM
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203. Of course they are artifically high! There's no reason for current prices
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM
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28. So Bush admits the evidence for Iraq was a lie. And he knew it.
Even he didn't buy what Tenet was telling him. Just because Tenet reassures that it's a "slam dunk case" doesn't make the evidence any more convincing.
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:26 PM
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48. Tenet probably wanted Bush off his back!!!
I mean, he was probably badgered to death about getting him info on Iraq.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:46 PM
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94. Did Tenet even say it? Who's the source? Bush? Cheney?
If those two were the confirmation, would YOU buy it?
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:47 PM
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145. There have been different accounts
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:53 PM by chookie
In Suskind's book, Paul O'Neill reports that in the first Cabinet meeting in Jan 2001, Iraq was one of the two topics of discussion (Israel was the other one). O'Neill says Tenet pulled out a number of satellite photos of factories and other sites in Iraq, and ominiously warned they might be places where weapons were being manufactured. Cheney bent over the images "with uncharacteristic excitement (p 72).

O'Neill, never one to keep his mouth shut when he smells bullshit, said that he'd seen lots of factories around the world, and that this one looked EXACTLY like the others, and couldn't see anything that would make him think anything was amiss, and Tenet was only able to respond with some slight circumstantial evidence."

Now -- this account makes me think that Tenet was "in the loop" of starting the war with Iraq, or at least was doing what he was told to "find a way to do this for me" at Bush's orders.

Clarke, on the other hand, tells of a different Tenet, in a constant state of alarm over the overhanging threat of Al Qaeda, and not obsessed with Iraq.

What's up?

What's Woodward's game? Was he kissing ass opportunistically by heroically playing up Bush's behavior after Sept 11? Or did he have a deeper game -- to gain the confidence of His Chimperial Highness, and be allowed to have continued access, because it was felt he would be a faithful lapdog?

Let's see what comes out of the WH over the next few days. If they attack him hard, we'll know he was acting as Trojan Horse. Or if he is distracting from the unfolding revelation of Bush entering office with the intent of carrying out the PNAC program by throwing out enticing red herrings.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:14 PM
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174. Could it be that those who were close to Bush* at the beginning
of the Iraq war has now realized that they fucked it up and are now scrambling to distance themselves from the creation of (an increasingly) unpopular conflict? Tenet is no fool and, perhaps, former CIA director Daddy Bush* is rushing in to save 'his boy' from himself and the extreme neo-cons around him. Also, anyone can see that invading and occupying Iraq, redirecting funds from the war in Afghanistan, and alienating friendships with old Allies has done nothing to erase the threat of Al Quaeda.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:10 AM
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196. Given Woodward's background, i am starting to think that it really was...
a deep cover, the ass-kissing book i mean. If so, it was absolutely brilliant. Hats off. Because, you know, that is the ONE way anyone would have gotten that kind of story about Bush & co: suck up to him. Bush is a classic narcissist: that is absolutely his weak spot. These people are weirdly naive like that: you can tell them the most outrageously over-the-top flattery and they'll eat it up without a second thought about what your motives might be. You could be an ax-murderer *and* robbing the narcissist blind right in front of him, but as long as you keep pouring on the treacly words, you're one of the good guys. And of course the converse is true: a lot of the bizarre cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face behavior we've witnessed from Georgie (the U.N. snubs) are just about that: he couldn't stand that they criticized him, therefore they are Bad. never mind the practicalities of it: they Criticized Him! Off With Their Heads!

well, god bless Woodward; i don't know how he stomached it. I mean, some people (coughBlaircough) are made for this sort of thing; if you're not it's damn near impossible to fake it. i mean, you REALLY have to do it 24/7 if you want to stay in the narcissist's good graces. i have watched this dynamic in action several times: it is disgusting even from a distance.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM
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31. Hmm. Seems to me that Woodward is stooging tor Bushco
He is making the Going-to-War timeline into some sort of heroic epic.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM
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32. Woodward claims Saudis will try to influence elections
by lowing oil prices this summer. That is quite a charge!
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:25 PM
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42. And price fixing as well
criminal act I think
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:24 PM
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37. This is a joke, an outrage!!
The senate should be calling for junior's resignation
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:40 PM
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75. Woodward is sucking up to Bush, but then...Man w. a Mission.
I just saw part of this.

Seems like Woodward is doing a whitewash on Bush, just the parts I seen.

But I also think Bush has sort of fingered (probably unintenitonally) that Bush is ..no-shit... a part of the Religous Right..that he is being told by God what to do..or something like that...that he sees himself as a man with a mission,,,an instruement of a higher power.



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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:25 PM
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40. When did Woodward do these interviews?
And how was the war going then?

Hard to figure out what was true and what's a load of pasture patties. How did he decide he was being told the truth? Someone said something and how many others confirmed?
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:28 PM
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50. Shrub allowed access....
to tapes and interviews, all corroborated within the administration according to 60 Minutes
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:25 PM
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41. Holy crap!
This is impeachable stuff.

Lying, manipulating the economy... Good lord, this is deadly for Bush!

I'm so angry I'm shaking.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:28 PM
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49. Whew! I'll bet Drudge, Rush, Gillepsie and Rove are having a ...
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 06:33 PM by Kahuna
helluva conference call right now. I can just imagine the meme tomorrow. Why would bush trust Woodward, the man who brought down Nixon? :evilgrin:

On edit: Took a stroll over to FR. They agree. It was really stupid for bushco to give Woodward access. Their heads are spinning..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120060/posts
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:50 PM
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103. The Freeps are spinning, all right
but none of the content of any of this seems to bother them in the least. Anything their boy does is fine with them.
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kckc Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:26 PM
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45. Gee..
does this mean the war really was about oil?
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:29 PM
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53. Well there's the punch line ; God told him to do it.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #53
177. And all them intellectuals are elitists!
Just spank me! :spank:
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:26 PM
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47. Price fixing, allowing a foreigner to effect election outcome
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 06:30 PM by mtnester
Impeach this bastard NOW
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:30 PM
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55. This is really bad. Now saying bush thinks God wanted him...
to do Iraq. How do you suppose this bit of news will play in the ME???? This is so terribly bad. Dear God in heaven... Fuck Nader! He is responsible for the monster in the WH.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:36 AM
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204. Bush said that God told him to attack OBL and Iraq it's documented
Here's the quote
Former Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas reported to Israel's Ha'aretz in June 2003 that Bush said to him, "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

http://mysticalforest.livejournal.com/2004/03/25/
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:31 PM
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57. Literally is a co-conspiracy to keep prices high
and a promise to LOWER them for the election.

Bush is a MONSTER.

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BostonTeaParty04 Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:42 PM
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81. No shit... isn't that like taking a DONATION from a foreign source????
crooked lying bastards... all of them.

Woodward is a whore for the neocons. But ya know... maybe he likes taking down presidents MORE than he likes playing in the power group??? God I hope so...
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:29 PM
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52. Bush salutes as he gives order to go to war
Bush is on a religious crusade. The man is clinically insane.
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:29 PM
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54. Holy Moly, he has a SERIOUS Messianic Complex...
I am speechless...

And severely creeped out...
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:31 PM
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56. This is just scary crap

When asked whether he asked his own father for advice: "There is a higher father."

"I pray I am doing God's will."

:puke:

Heaven's knockin on my door
But I won't fight your holy war.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:18 PM
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175. What a con man, huh?
And the simpletons of the christian right will believe him.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:38 AM
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191. This is some seriously scary shit.
I was outraged at the rest of this interview, but the "God-is-working-through-me" stuff is truly frightening. Religious fanatics are dangerous, no matter what their religion. He really thinks he's doing the Lord's work. We are screwed if this bunch gets another term.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:34 PM
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59. Victory without success
That about sums it up.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:35 PM
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61. This is Truly Scary. Congress should convene tonight!!!!
We are being led by maniacs.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:36 PM
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62. WHO GIVES GEORGE BUSH THE RIGHT, THE DUTY TO FREE
PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD???!!!?????
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:37 PM
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66. I think I'm going to be sick...
George Bush is a living, breathing, nightmare...
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:36 PM
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63. Bush thinks he has the duty to liberate people around the world
Impeach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:36 PM
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64. This is not price fixing
US presidents always try to convice OPEC and member nations to lower the price of oil. This is not price fixing - it is standard political tactic on the part of the administration. Let's not get carried away with tin foil hat conspiracies when we have more important reasons to be angry with Bush and Cheney.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:40 PM
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76. fuck that!!!
15 of those hijackers who plowed into the twin towers came from Saudi Arabia.

Now SA wants to lower gas prices in order to ensure a * reSelection??

Again,

FUCK THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lock all these motherfuckers up.

I'm so mad, I'm trembling.
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BostonTeaParty04 Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #76
105. What does that say about the American people????????
For god's sakes... let me have oil for 400% lower than the rest of the world and you can HAVE MY VOTE!!!!

It is US, the American people, who are fucked up. We have a truly diseased collective soul.... if you can say we have a soul.........
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #64
78. Excuse me
It would be a big deal if there was a secret agreement with the Saudis to lower prices at just the right time in order to influence an election.
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:51 PM
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104. This is not price fixing
I live on the west coast and have not seen 60 minutes, thats why I am here to see the take on this show. From what I can tell, the Saudis have promised to increase the supply of oil in 2004. Does Woodward actually STATE that there was an agreement to help Bush with the election or does he just state that the Saudis were going to increase the supply of oil? I will wait to watch the show to draw any conclusions.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #104
112. It was specifically discussed in relation to the election
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:04 PM by steviet_2003
and assisting shrubbie in that endeavor.

on edit: form the 60 minutes web site:

Prince Bandar enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. His family and the Bush family are close. And Woodward told 60 Minutes that Bandar has promised the president that Saudi Arabia will lower oil prices in the months before the election -- to ensure the U.S. economy is strong on election day.

Woodward says that Bandar understood that economic conditions were key before a presidential election: Theyre high. And they could go down very quickly. That's the Saudi pledge. Certainly over the summer, or as we get closer to the election, they could increase production several million barrels a day and the price would drop significantly.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/mai...
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 04:56 AM
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200. SA Wins, Either Way
They can lower oil prices to help their good friend Asswipe ... or they can deny that they'd do any such thing and keep prices high - either way, more money in their pockets.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #104
114. he actually said that Benhar personally agreed to lower prices
via increased input as he knows a good economy would be helpful to *'s reSelection.

He actually said it.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #104
115. Watch it and then get back to me
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BostonTeaParty04 Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #104
118. Hey City Dem, not just INCREASE output in 2004....
but DECREASE it for a bit....to make us squirm and bitch and put truckers out of jobs and raise prices and inflation....

and then the GREAT SAVIOR BUSH.... will go to Saudis (wink, wink) and they will increase output. A hero.

The plan: to decrease output and THEN to Increase output. Extortion for the missing 28 pages.....

Will Bob Graham PLEASE tell what he knows about the 28 pages. Kerry can pardon him for any charges he would face as a result. Bob Graham KNOWS those 28 pages. Heck, Kerry KNOWS what's in those 28 pages.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #78
162. Well, it isn't secret anymore...
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 08:43 PM by calimary
By the way, those contact info details again... (HINT! HINT!)

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts updated April 14, 2004 in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

IF THEY THINK WE DONT CARE, THEY WONT, EITHER!




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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:49 PM
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102. It's bribery if quid pro quo gov. action for personal benefit. n/t
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BostonTeaParty04 Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #64
110. Bush BRIBED the saudis... don;t EVER forget the missing 28 pages!
It is outright EXTORTION on the part of bush.........

EXTORTION!

Hell, I am not even watching 60 minutes, and I am about to... to.... to... to... INITIATE ANOTHER BOSTON TEA PARTY!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #64
120. True. Price fixing is way too low on the scale.
Manipulating an election is a felony. This is manipulation with the cooperation of a foreign power.

Me, I call it treason.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #120
167. I go with treason, too ... extortion, subversion ...
living through history on this scale can be scary
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:42 PM
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142. BEFORE an election???
I didn't get to see it, but from what I'm hearing he made these "negotiations" before the election. That's allowing a foreign government to influence our elections. Holy christ, that's as big an issue as any. He's been corrupted from before he ever got into office. Which most of America had no clue on.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #64
168. urging another country to do something in our national interests
is one thing, but cutting a deal with a foreign power to sway our election is another thing. They are not doing what is in the national interest, they are cutting a deal with the Saudis to keep bush in power.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #64
179. To make a deal with a foreign body to lower oil prices right before a
general election to help influence its' outcome?! This is worse than price fixing! This is treason!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:40 AM
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194. It IS 'supply manipulation' as a quid pro quo with the Saudis ...
Wow: .. someone objects to saying that BUSH AND HIS TEXAS ENERGY MOGUL CRONIES ARE MANIPULATING THE ENERGY MARKETS ? ...

In concert with a foreign power who ALSO provided 90 % of the Hijackers of 911 ? ... AND owns 90 % of the worlds oil ????

Methinks thou doth protest too much ...
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 02:40 AM
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195. It IS 'supply manipulation' as a quid pro quo with the Saudis ...
Wow: .. someone objects to saying that BUSH AND HIS TEXAS ENERGY MOGUL CRONIES ARE MANIPULATING THE ENERGY MARKETS ? ...

In concert with a foreign power who ALSO provided 90 % of the Hijackers of 911 ? ... AND owns 90 % of the worlds oil ????

Methinks thou doth protest too much ...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:36 PM
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65. Woodward: 'Bush's "mission" to free the world will cause many people..
to tremble.'

I'm trembling now. :scared:
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:39 PM
Original message
When did bushie become president of the world.
I trembling too! :scared:

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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:38 PM
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67. What type of person is George Bush?
"He is not an intellectual. He is not a deep thinker. ... He has a disdain for it (intellectualism)."

bush is a very dangerous man. He thinks he is on a mission from Gos to "free people". God save us all.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:24 PM
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166. the anti-Christ is weighing in big time today in my book
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:38 PM
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68. Still sounds to me like Tenet is taking the fall!
Yes, it's making Bushco sound bad, but if you listen to most of this, it sounds like they are blaming Tenet!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:56 PM
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111. I don't think you get it!
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:38 PM
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69. History?
We'll all be dead.

Holy crap!
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:42 PM
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84. Rapture anyone??
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:17 PM
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131. That's a good point--"We'll" all be dead means *EVERYONE*
He wants to bring on Armaggedon.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:20 PM
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165. ' my, God, they're going to kill us all' did cross my mind on 911
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:38 PM
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70. The Freepers are nuts over this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120060/posts
(Enter at your own risk. Have soap and water at the ready)

1.Discrediting Woodward, 2.calling the Administration for giving Woodward access, 3.worried that Bush could be in trouble for conspiring to manipulate oil prices to influence an election.
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BostonTeaParty04 Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:04 PM
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124. It's a sick world when we are on the same page as the FREEPERS....
re the price fixing...
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:25 PM
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156. They don't care about the actual price fixing
They care about him getting caught doing it. Big difference between that and "agreement" on the issue.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:27 PM
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134. I love this one:
To: faithincowboys

Why communist subversives are allowed to eat, drink, breathe: live, with the rest of America is beyond me...

45 posted on 04/18/2004 4:48:50 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D Online Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig )
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rfkrocks Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:39 PM
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71. Its Blessed are the peacemakers in my bible!
Not blessed are the warmongers-how bad is it that people still want to vote for Shrub-really this following the press conference which bordered on bizarre is too much-but will it make a difference?
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:39 PM
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72. Woodward loves Republicans
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 06:41 PM by Chris
but none so much as George W. Bush.

Looks like George Tenet is the fall guy. Cheney isn't faring too well either, but George W? Sorry! Completely unaccountable for anything other than listening to bad intelligence or taking bad advice.

Bush is 'far-reaching and ambitious and will cause many people to tremble'.

With a tear in his eye.

So sayeth Woodward.


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peace4all Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:54 PM
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106.  I'm completely suspicious,
we are hearing what someone wants us to hear.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:01 PM
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119. Suspicious
I think it is correct to be suspicious.

But, I also think we tend to underestimate how the "will of God" argument plays with a sadly large proportion of population. And I also think that because most of us see it somewhere along a range of stupid to outright terrifying, we tend not to realize just how serious Bush* is about it. And I mean really serious to the point of believing that God will pull him through whatever the "heathens" of the world throw at him for believing such things.

The man is a fanatic and one with an admitted disdain for logic and intellect. I think we probably were told, in large part, what we were intended to hear, but I also think Bush* may just believe it was the right thing.

What I just heard from Woodward scared the hell out of me.

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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:56 PM
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109. Woodward is about as middle-ground as exists in the US
The one possibility no one ever entertains is that he calls things like he sees them. Bush at War was a Valentine because Woodward was impressed with the Afghan war. Path to War is a hatchet job because Woodward is appalled by the Iraq war. That's not so odd... millions of people feel that way.

He's a Republican who wanted Nixon impeached and doesn't want Bush re-elected... There used to be tons of these guys around when I was a kid. (Republican moderates disappeared almost entirely in 1994.)
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BostonTeaParty04 Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:08 PM
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126. Was he a republican in 1972/1973??? was he?
Hell, I remember the day when you never had a CLUE what the party affiliation was for a journalist/newscaster. Those days are gone... they are out of the closet...
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:39 PM
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140. Funny scene in ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN
Woodward and Bernstein are softening up a Republican source and Woodward says he's a Republican himself. Bernstein shoots him a look with two possible meanings, either Woodward had gone way too far by lying to a source or (even weirder) he was actually a Republican. Woodward shrugs at Bernstein and says, "I am!"

If memory serves, Woodward started out as a press officer for the Navy and worked in the Pentagon, for what that's worth.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:10 PM
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150. He was Naval Intelligence
I did a spate of research on Woodward a couple years ago, just to satisfy my curiosity. I cannot recreate my sources -- sorry -- but I was particularily struck by several stories about his pre-Post connections to the intelligence community.

Added to the information I had been encountering regarding the CIA's virtual ownership of the Post under Graham. And considering who stood to gain with Nixon's downfall (hint: bushco)...

Well, I'm going to remain suspicious. This book is telling a tale that SOMEONE wants us to hear. Woodward is working for SOMEBODY.

If this book leads to either Tenet's, and/or Powell's removal from the scene, I will take it as VERY bad news about which faction of the Oligarchy/Security State is consolidating control.

sw
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:51 PM
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188. Agreed -- and BTW, what a GREAT sig line nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:39 PM
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:39 PM
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74. Bush's disdain for the intellectual world
No doubt, because he is a failure at that world, and digging himself deeper as a failure, as the national and international contempt for his stupidity grows. I have never made a Bush-Hitler analogy before, because I think they are generally trivializing, and wrong. But when it comes to personality traits, this is an especially shocking similarity. Like Hitler, the failed artist, the failed architect, would put the cities of the world to sword and fire, Mr. Bush, the failed thinker, the failed strategist...what will he do? How will his self-loathing manifest itself?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:43 PM
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87. History - fuck history, junior sez we'll all be dead
Sounds like this is the moran that may deliver that nuclear bomb.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:38 PM
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183. Where's *'s faith in God?
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 10:39 PM by Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
If he's the born again Christian he claims to be doesn't he believe in an afterlife?
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:45 PM
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92. just like Hilter
christ when will the sheep wake up.....this man is certifiably crazy.he should be locked up in a mental institution
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:40 PM
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77. Tell me again how many world leaders were lunatics?
Add one more to the list.
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:40 PM
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79. The Woodward Attack Dogs are Now Leaving the Kennel
They have tried to tear O'Neil to shreds, Clarke and now they will unleash their attack dogs on Woodward.

Holy shit, that was good!
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r_u_stuck2 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:42 PM
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85. We still do not know
what we do not know. Goodness, if we are getting this little tidbit of information, what else is hidden. I just have a feeling that we are not even seeing the tip of the iceburg on this administration. As secretive as they are and this gets out, I am just guessing there is tons of other stuff there.
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:15 PM
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130. So right you are heidiho!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:42 PM
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82. Congress should meet NOW
This sent-by-God president doesn't have all his cups and saucers matched up.

Showing "No foreigners" documents to the Saudis and eliciting a promise of lowering oil prices to influence our election? Hoo boy.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:45 PM
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91. doesn't have all his cups and saucers matched up
very well said.

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:46 PM
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96. Appreciate the welcome!
May we all live long enough to enjoy it with Mr. Certifiable in office!
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BostonTeaParty04 Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:13 PM
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127. doesn't have his cups and saucers matched! LMAO
Welcome plastic_turkeys. You just gave me a big ole belly laugh. I really needed it!
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:43 PM
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88. Did Woodward look scared shitless to anyone else?
I wonder if that's why he's doing this. (That, and wanting to sell a ton of books.)

I think some of the more "sane" conservatives are really scared--people like Woody, Pat Buchanan, Chuck Hagel and John McCain.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:44 PM
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90. Now that Woodward has kissed GW for us all, go to C-SPAN2
To catch the end of John Dean "Worse than Watergate" q&a.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:48 PM
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101. Folks. This is more Damming that anything yet !
Woodward said straight out...He wants to liberate the world as a mission from God and Forget Papa Bush, he is answering to a higher power. Woodward did look scared and rightfully so.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 12:26 AM
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189. Maybe that's why all of them pay a compliment to Poppy Bush
Maybe this mission is at the behest of Poppy. Remember Clarke saying the Pres he most admired in foreign policy was Bush I?

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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:47 PM
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97. WOODWARD REVEALES THE KEY YO THE ELECTION
The Saudies traded the invasion for a huge drop in oil prices this summer. We're seeing the "dramatic" spike now--the equally dramatic drop will happen when it's opportune for Chimp.

It's this simple. If the Dems and Kerry and every Dem pundit do not start screaming to high heaven and do it NOW, they deserve to lose.

Woodward and CBS served it up on a silver platter. What are you going to do, Dem leadership?
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:03 PM
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121. Hear, hear...It's time for some Dems to shed the tu-tus.
Daschle, get off your flip-flopping ass as make some noise. And, if Joe Liber-pussy or Zell Miller start screaming foul, I want to see a move to push them out of the Dem. party.

Now, is the time for action.

JB
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:03 PM
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122. Spot On On Tactics And Strategy - Dem Leadership, One Must Be Kidding!
eom
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:47 PM
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98. This man is insane he needs to be OUT NOW
OUT NOW
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:48 PM
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100. So Mike Wallace points his index finger toward the ceiling..
Mike says, (paraphrasing) "So George Bush, a man with little foreign policy experience, decides that 'someone' (pointing toward ceiling) told him it was his duty to liberate people all over the world."

It was clear what Mike was saying, that Bush thinks God tells him to do things. This is scary to the max.

Geez! Bush is a lunatic.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:27 PM
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135. I think that it is time for a serious psychiatric evaluation.
I have no problem with anyone, including Presidents, appealing to a higher power for wisdom. This guy, however, seems to think that he has a direct line to God, and that God is telling him what to do. At least now we know what Jr. plans to do. Watch out everyone living under a government that Jr. doesn't like. Hey, how about the French?

And what a Daddy problem! He has a father uniquely experienced in international affairs (whether you agree with him or not), and he doesn't consult him at all? It was a complete diss of his Dad. I wonder what Babs thinks of this. No wonder Dad had Brent Scowcroft and others all over the place before the invasion urging caution: Jr. apparently won't talk to him about this stuff!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:52 PM
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146. Yes.
And he seems to think that rigorous prayer is a reasonable substitute for good strategy, intelligence (in both senses of the word) and the support of constituents and allies.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:38 PM
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182. Is that what the people in Haiti are? Liberated?
Making laws to limit the rights of all Americans are liberating them?
Denying Gay people to marry are liberating them? Give me a break George! :puke:
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:55 PM
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107. You know my sig line is....
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

In comparison to this administration it would be a step up. I am so pissed-off I can hardly type. The funneling of money thing should be an impeachable offence right?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:57 PM
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113. DAMN! I missed the show!
I'm relying on DU to let me know :wtf: went down!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:59 PM
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116. I have a question....
When Woodward was saying that Bush was asking Tenet, "Is that all there is" and Tenet replies to him that "It's a slam dunk", was he talking about finding the WMD, or was he talking about convincing the public that we have to do this because of threat of WMD? I'm foggy on this issue of guaranteed success on which issue.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:15 PM
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129. This may offer the answer
From their website:

McLaughlin has access to all the satellite photos, and he goes in and he has flip charts in the oval office. The president listens to all of this and McLaughlin's done. And, and the president kind of, as he's inclined to do, says Nice try, but that isn't gonna sell Joe Public. That isn't gonna convince Joe Public, says Woodward.

In his book, Woodward writes: "The presentation was a flop. The photos were not gripping. The intercepts were less than compelling. And then George Bush turns to George Tenet and says, 'This is the best we've got?'"



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/mai...

It is not entirely clear if Tenant means selling the story is a slam dunk or that they will find WMD's is a slam dunk, but above was the context.

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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:00 PM
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117. Bush = Martin Sheen character in the "Dead Zone" movie
Megalomaniacal, pseudo-religious, sociopathic, NUT!!!!!!!

JB
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:25 PM
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133. True. Now let's see the same development as in that story, please!
Although, I wonder if they wouldn't find a good excuse for him using a baby to shield himself...
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:43 PM
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143. No, he'd just push Pickles in the way. n/t
eom

JB
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:18 PM
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132. Well, at least we now understand why gas prices are so high.
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 07:21 PM by VolcanoJen
They're fixed, by the highest levels of government, in cooperation and agreement with a foreign monarchy.

They're high now, so that by contrast, they'll appear incredibly low when the Saudi Princes exercise their OPEC influence and increase oil production, just in time for the election.

No wonder he wears a constant smirk. He already knows the outcome.

As for the creepy Jesus-freak "we'll all be dead" comment, well, that was just chilling, and rather insane. Reason enough to be firmly ABB.

The American consumer is being conspired against, and I'm really starting to think it's time to talk Articles of Impeachment.

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:33 PM
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137. It Also Explains Why Calls To Congress Over Gas Prices Are Unanswered
eom
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:20 PM
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178. Tsk, tsk and after they conned eveyone in the country practically
into buying giant gas guzzlers with their shady tax rebate deal...another cozy arrangement with the Saudis.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:02 PM
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147. Now I understand why W could give a crap about the environment
We're all going to perish, so we have only a limited amount of time to roll back environmental rules, allow for sky-high corporate profits (to benefit the Republican-contributing CEOs, not the labor force), and in general trash the planet.

I don't know why it took me so long to catch on. I guess I should resign from my EPA career tomorrow and stand on the sidewalk with a sign saying "The sky is falling" because, apparently, it is, or will be soon.

When Bush said it was a Crusade right after 9/11, and his handlers said he didn't really mean it, they were wrong. He meant it.

As Barney Fife used to say, "He's a nut!"
Unfortunately, he is not a benign or otherwise harmless nut.
Even North Korea understands that.

Let's see what Congress does when it convenes this week. Let's see if Frist goes to the floor of the Senate and castigates Woodward the way he did Clarke.

Let's see it any Congressional Dems take this stuff seriously and demand accountability, to start with, that 700 million, but don't stop there. The apparent manipulation of gas prices is another thing...does this not sound like the Enron manipulation of energy prices that brought CAlifornia to its knees a couple years ago? Does this not all wreak to high heaven of Cheney?

:scared: s_m
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:01 AM
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192. please forgive in advance my anal retentiveness
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 01:02 AM by juajen
wreak: to wreak havoc

reek: to smell to high heaven

edited: for spelling, LOL
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:12 PM
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151. conclusion , Bu$h = mental case
he's dangerous ....

oh btw on NBC Dylan and Kleebold, Columbine HS ...
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:21 PM
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153. did we see same interview?
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 08:23 PM by gauguin57
I didn't think Woodward painted Bush in an innocent, soft, positive light at all!

A dude wandering around the circle behind the White House, praying his way into war, seeking God's advice rather than the advice of his father, the PREVIOUS PRESIDENT with EXPERIENCE IN GULF WAR ... a disengaged doofus, letting himself be pushed around by his henchmen (which we all knew) -- clearly not doing his job as president (not questioning, not discerning on his own what's the best course of action for his country, etc.) ... a guy COMPLETELY run by his PNAC brethren, a guy TOTALLY in bed with the leadership of a country (saudi arabia) that produced most of the hijackers of 9/11 ...

God ... Woodward may seem to lean right lately, but I think what he said tonight should be seen as devastating to this White House. And I think Colin Powell, who could have been the hero, the voice of reason, should be so friggin' ashamed of himself.

And Woodward sees Bush as a guy who is (pardon me, Blues Brothers) on a "mission from God" to bring freedom to the masses (of oil-producing countries, at least).
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:30 PM
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158. Woodward is no Bush lover
And until someone can find a link proving it I'll remain unconvinced. I believe most of this feeling revolves around the "Bush at War" book which I've read. I found it to portray Bush in both positive and negative lights.

But I agree, this interview was damning. The whole gas pricing fixing issue regardning the election is a stunning revelation previously known by some, but never brought into the light of day on a program like 60 minutes.

No, the only rational conclusion after watching this interview is that it was very damning to Bush. Anyone who sees otherwise is non objective and pursuing an agenda.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:36 PM
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160. check out condi pic
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 08:38 PM by gauguin57
on Drudge Report site ... over the headline about how she's slamming Woodward's book.

She looks like she's trying to be a centerfold for the National Review!

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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:47 AM
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198. Watch her interview with Scheiffer
I once knew a hostage negotiator, who told me the surest sign of a liar is wandering eyes. In that Scheiffer interview, Condi's eyes were shooting all over the place, always at the key moments during her lines of thought. She was lying...
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 08:58 PM
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163. I agree with John H
We're going to find out if the Democratic Party is worth anything or not.

If they can't defeat this crazed nut, then they're good for nothing.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:15 PM
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164. Video, Is there a video link or a transcript anywhere? n/t
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:29 PM
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181. Don't forget the October Surprise
It's been awhile now, but Jimmy Carter tried and tried to free hostages held in the Middle East. It became the sole basis upon which to judge his term of office -- somehow. Would the hostages be freed? And they weren't -- we found out later, some of us who paid attention, that it was because the Rs made a secret deal that the hostages would be held until after the election, and that would defeat Carter, in favor of Reagan.

So, manipulating oil prices with the assistance of the Saudis is just one more way to manipulate "facts" that sway public opinion at crucial political moments.

The California black-outs and energy crisis were brought about by a complex number of players in energy companies like Enron, and government, like Bush who refused to intervene until much damage was done. Did that manipulate an election? Well, the so-called energy crisis was blamed on Gray Davis, and along comes a recall election, and you know the rest.

The Bushes and Saudis have been in bed together for decades -- read Kevin Phillips' book. On the other hand, I've seen one allegation that the Saudis have so much money sloshing around that many members of Congress have taken some.

I haven't seen the book specifically dealing with the relationship between Saudis and Bushes yet. House of Saud, House of Bush
But there was a long article in Salon, an excerpt, about the Saudis being flown out after 9/11, when all other aircraft were grounded.


THE GREAT ESCAPE

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2004/03/11/unger_1/p...

An excerpt:

Bandar went to work immediately. If any foreign official had the clout to pull strings at the White House in the midst of a grave national security crisis, it was he. A senior member of the Washington diplomatic corps, Bandar had played racquetball with Secretary of State Colin Powell in the late '70s. He had run covert operations for the late CIA director Bill Casey that were so hush-hush they were kept secret even from President Ronald Reagan. He was the man who had stashed away 30 locked attach cases that held some of the deepest secrets in the intelligence world. And for two decades, Bandar had built an intimate personal relationship with the Bush family that went far beyond a mere political friendship. First, Bandar set up a hotline at the Saudi embassy in Washington for all Saudi nationals in the United States. For the 48 hours after the attacks, he stayed in constant contact with Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. Before the attacks, Bandar had been invited to come to the White House to meet with President George W. Bush on Sept. 13 to discuss the Middle East peace process. Even though the 55-year-old president and he were, roughly speaking, contemporaries, Bandar had not yet developed the same rapport with the younger Bush that he'd enjoyed for decades with his father. Bandar and the elder Bush had participated in the shared rituals of manhood -- hunting trips, vacations together, and the like. Bandar and the younger Bush were well known to each other, but not nearly as close. On the 13th, the meeting went ahead as scheduled. But in the wake of the attacks two days earlier, the political landscape of the Middle East had drastically changed. A spokesman for the Saudi embassy later said he did not know whether repatriation was a topic of discussion. <snip>
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 05:26 AM
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202.  Is there a video link or a transcript anywhere?
I will have a video up soon. :)
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:47 PM
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170. It just finished on the West Coast
That is some creepy stuff.

It again reinforces the idea that Bush decided to go to war and then sought justifications for it. Woodward has the idea that Bush would ask his underlings more than once, but would accept wavering answers with little thought.

Cheney and Rumsfeld come across as a couple of Svengalis and Tenent as a suck up. Powell is portrayed as the good soldier who let a sense of duty override his better judgment. Tommy Franks come across as a dutiful liar.

On the whole, nobody who could have told Bush he was on the wrong path had the courage to tell him that.

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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:57 PM
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172. Just watched Woodward on 60 minutes.
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 10:44 PM by Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
My reaction is "fucking scary". Woodward verified much I thought about GW Bush and his cabal. His belief that he's doing God's work and his anti-intellectualism for example.

Some other things I had heard about but remained a little skeptical. His apparant estrangement from his father and his family's attachment to the Saudi royal family for example.

Looking forward to reading Woodward's book. I think it'll make Richard Clark's book look like a pro-Bush campaign flyer.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:28 PM
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180. If you are doing God's Work (ha Ha) Why do you need his forgiveness?
Did you catch that ? Every Christian who has had their faith hijacked by this moran should have caught that blooper.
You don't say God forgive me for what I am about to do..
And if it is God's will..he gives Blessings..Not Forgiveness !
He is psychotic ! Good case against the wingers !
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:39 PM
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184. Be careful, Woodward is making for that little pass by of *.
Making the space for the * in that * mis-advised by zealots. My bet, truth be told it would seem Saddam was *'s number priority from the word go. * needs a slam dunk into the slammer.

Seven-hundred million of misappropriated funds to start premeditated war in Iraq, then misleading congress on the whole affair to the extent of forging evidence :nopity:

Btw when does the word TREASON kick in ?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:44 PM
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185. Does anyone else feel uneasy about this?
Woodward did divert some of the blame from Bush by suggesting that Tenet was partly to blame for the Iraq war, through the assertion that the evidence which we now know as non-existent would be a "slam dunk". But Woodward also related some very scary things about Bush, about the diversion of $700 million, the Saudis being informed about the Iraq invasion before Powell, about the Saudis promising to fix the price of oil in time for the election, about Bush's anti-intellectual attiTude, about his Messianic complex, etc.

HOW CAN THE MOST SECRETIVE ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY LET WOODWARD INTO THEIR CONFIDENCE LIKE THIS AND, BETTER YET, WALK AWAY WITH A TAPE RECORDER FULL OF DAMAGING QUOTES???

Sorry to yell, but I feel very uneasy about this. Why did they do this? Could it be that the 911 commission is about to stumble onto something earthshaking and Bush wants out? This seems like political suicide.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:51 PM
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186. I think you're right to be suspicious
We really have to give this the full 360 degree examination.

It just seems like too much to me.

How would they be able to use this to their advantage? Does their focus group research tell them that the more Bush is attacked and "secrets" are revealed, the stronger the electorate clings to him?

Did his number go up after Clarke's book was published?
Did they go up after Dean's book came out?

Clarke and Woodward's books both under Viacom family, and "60 Minutes" breaks both exclusives?

I'm not drawing any conclusions yet, just pondering some points.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 11:03 PM
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187. You're right - it is a little fishy...
But remember, supposedly this was taking place over a year ago, when the administration was even more overconfident & full of hubris. I'm as inclined to think they were invincible, since they now "own" all branches of government and needn't fear any checks & balances. And with Rove as Chief Orwellian, they probably didn't give it a second thought.

I remember the disbelief on my part that Nixon ended up with so much damning evidence having been tape-recorded. What was HE thinking? Some interesting - no, frightening - parallels going on between those 2 administrations...
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:12 AM
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193. This will be an interesting week...
Will we see or Leaders going for the jugular?? This is it...This is the chance...The chum(p) is in the water...Will we see the sharks circling cautiously or going for the KILL!

Serious question. Can a *resident be arrested while in office?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 07:10 AM
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205. btt
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